No Love, No Lackin - Bulls vs Cavs Semi-ECFs Thread

[Malta]

I wouldn't be surprised if LBJ averaged 25-30pts on Matt Barnes if they were to meet in the finals. The question is, will he average an efficient 25-30, or will he get 30 on 30 shots? If LeBron is forcing it, and can't get solid help from Kyrie, then it'll be tough keeping pace offensively with the Clippers. Even these triple doubles and double doubles LBJ's been putting up in this series have come with turnovers and a rather inefficient shooting percentage. My point is, even if LeBron goes off, it might not be enough.

LeBron has shot over 50% from the field vs the Clippers........the last 3 years.

LeBron going off against the Clippers is incredibly damaging for them because they have to collapse on him more than other teams since they do not have anyone to guard him and he's constantly getting by Barnes, his assist totals skyrocket vs them while maintaining his efficiency.

The Cavs & Bulls are a bad matchup for the Clippers, they have struggled with PG + Wing player for a minute now, Russ and KD looked like they were playing against an NBDL team last year with how easily they were scoring.

 

[Biscayne]

LeBron has shot over 50% from the field vs the Clippers........the last 3 years.

LeBron going off against the Clippers is incredibly damaging for them because they have to collapse on him more than other teams since they do not have anyone to guard him and he's constantly getting by Barnes, his assist totals skyrocket vs them while maintaining his efficiency.

The Cavs & Bulls are a bad matchup for the Clippers, they have struggled with PG + Wing player for a minute now, Russ and KD looked like they were playing against an NBDL team last year with how easily they were scoring.

The last 3years LeBron had Bosh and Wade to take pressure off of him. Wade was still averaging 22-5-5 3yrs ago. LeBron had high efficiency because he was surrounded by other highly efficient players. This current Cavs team(No Love, and assuming Kyrie might not be 100) isn't suited to help LeBron achieve maximum efficiency. He'll have to make all the right passes(which leads to his turnovers going up), He'll have to take the most shots(which leads to lowered shooting percentage) etc.

 

[Malta]

The last 3years LeBron had Bosh and Wade to take pressure off of him. Wade was still averaging 22-5-5 3yrs ago. LeBron had high efficiency because he was surrounded by other highly efficient players. This current Cavs team(No Love, and assuming Kyrie might not be 100) isn't suited to help LeBron achieve maximum efficiency. He'll have to make all the right passes(which leads to his turnovers going up), He'll have to take the most shots(which leads to lowered shooting percentage) etc.

One of those years includes what he did with the Cavs this year in their 2 wins against the Clippers, he averaged 28/8/7 on 51% vs them this year, while Kyrie was at 24/5/5 on 57%. They scored 126pts vs the Clippers in a game where Kevin Love didn't even play. For the last time, the Cavs are not a good matchup with the Clippers, they can emulate what the Thunder did last year, even without Love.

 

[JetLife]

D.Rose's son should be a smiley

 

[Biscayne]

Kyrie's injuries are a strained foot and sore left leg, he was able to score 30pts in game 1 with those lingering problems.





DeAndre isn't a great rim protector, and why is it some singular matchup between Noah and Jordan when the Bulls have more than just 1 interior guy capable of playing defense? How can Doc force LeBron into jumpers when he doesn't have the personnel to do it, just saying it and doing it are two different things, the Clippers have not been able to defend SFs for awhile now. How can the Clippers check a PG / Wing combo, if they use Reddikk on Butler it's post up city, if they use Barnes on him he'll just go by him, and with the Cavs they can only use Barnes on LeBron. In recent years, the Clippers have put Blake on LeBron because they have no other options beyond Barnes.







The Bucks are a top 5 defensive squad with length for days, not sure why struggling against them is seen as an indication of some major flaw. You're really overrating the West teams, this is like when the Pistons and Pacers had those horrifically ugly series and everyone said there was no way the Pistons could win. The Grizz would beat the Cavs or Bulls, the Clippers I don't see it.






The Bulls big men have a better chance of containing Blake and DeAndre than the Clippers have of keeping Rose and Butler in check. I don't get how in one sentence you can mention how Kyrie was hobbled, then act like Manu and Parker weren't done. I'll repeat it, had Patty Mills gotten more minutes they would have won that series because the Clippers could not defend against multiple perimeter threats.

Harden and Ariza aren't a solid perimeter duo? I think the Clips are just simply hot right now. I could easily see a healthy Clips team with all their shooters, interior defense, and Docs defensive schemes neutralizing Cleveland. It's all dependant on Kyrie's health honestly. Kyrie's the only other perimeter player on the Cavs who can consistently create their own shot. Kyries the only other player who can consistently pass well and create for others. If it becomes LeBron vs The Clips than I like LA's chances.

 

[Hoganese]

Thibs

 

[Biscayne]

One of those years includes what he did with the Cavs this year in their 2 wins against the Clippers, he averaged 28/8/7 on 51% vs them this year, while Kyrie was at 24/5/5 on 57%. They scored 126pts vs the Clippers in a game where Kevin Love didn't even play. For the last time, the Cavs are not a good matchup with the Clippers, they can emulate what the Thunder did last year, even without Love.

And if Kyrie isn't 100% than what?

 

[Malta]

Harden and Ariza aren't a solid perimeter duo? I think the Clips are just simply hot right now. I could easily see a healthy Clips team with all their shooters, interior defense, and Docs defensive schemes neutralizing Cleveland. It's all dependant on Kyrie's health honestly. Kyrie's the only other perimeter player on the Cavs who can consistently create their own shot. Kyries the only other player who can consistently pass well and create for others. If it becomes LeBron vs The Clips than I like LA's chances.

Bruh, Ariza isn't an elite scorer or creator, JR Smith is a better offensive weapon than him. There is no scheme that the Clippers can use on LeBron, because they do not have the personnel for it. Who would they use on LeBron if Barnes gets into foul trouble?

 

[Malta]

And if Kyrie isn't 100% than what?

Kyrie isn't 100% now and they're 2-2 vs a much better defensive team.

And I've said it's not just the Cavs, I'd pick the Bulls over the Clippers as well. JJ Reddikk guarding Butler

 

[G-Zeus]

Thibs

and people wanted the ref's head

 

[Brozay]

Rose Jerry having his kid wear a Cubs jersey

 

[god shamgod]

D.Rose's son should be a smiley

this gotta be the child please smiley this lil nikka expression got me rollin

 

[GoldenGlove]

Thibs

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

@3Rivers

 

[ghostwriterx]

Kyrie's injuries are a strained foot and sore left leg, he was able to score 30pts in game 1 with those lingering problems.

So were going to talk about game 1 and ignore the next 3? He has tendinitis in his left knee and sprain in high right foot and last game he actually asked his teammates if they wanted him on the court.

DeAndre isn't a great rim protector, and why is it some singular matchup between Noah and Jordan when the Bulls have more than just 1 interior guy capable of playing defense? How can Doc force LeBron into jumpers when he doesn't have the personnel to do it, just saying it and doing it are two different things, the Clippers have not been able to defend SFs for awhile now. How can the Clippers check a PG / Wing combo, if they use Reddikk on Butler it's post up city, if they use Barnes on him he'll just go by him, and with the Cavs they can only use Barnes on LeBron. In recent years, the Clippers have put Blake on LeBron because they have no other options beyond Barnes.

I didn't say DeAndre is a great rim protector. I said he's better than Noah. The Bulls aren't getting any resistance at the rim on James. The Clips also had to resort to Blake on Timmy at times which didn't work out well but they still managed to win the series. I agree there are matchup problems with Cleveland or Chicago on the wing, but you're ignoring/downplaying the front court match ups which heavily favor LA.

The Bucks are a top 5 defensive squad with length for days, not sure why struggling against them is seen as an indication of some major flaw. You're really overrating the West teams, this is like when the Pistons and Pacers had those horrifically ugly series and everyone said there was no way the Pistons could win. The Grizz would beat the Cavs or Bulls, the Clippers I don't see it.

Bucks were also a bottom five offensive, .500 team in the East who got worse defensively when they traded Knight for MCW.

The Bulls big men have a better chance of containing Blake and DeAndre than the Clippers have of keeping Rose and Butler in check. I don't get how in one sentence you can mention how Kyrie was hobbled, then act like Manu and Parker weren't done. I'll repeat it, had Patty Mills gotten more minutes they would have won that series because the Clippers could not defend against multiple perimeter threats.

What are you basing this on? The Spurs defense is/was way better defensively than Chicago and they couldn't do anything with Blake, DeAndre shot 70% in that series and the Bulls don't have a Tim Duncan to make them work on the other end. Statistically on the year Chicago's defense was a shade ahead of the Clips and they played in the weaker conference.