Nintendo was Xbox's undoing far more than Sony ever was

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“it didn’t work” is a misconception.

How could 360 be such a great success through its first 5 years while selling 40 mill.

But X1 was a failure selling the same 40 mill it’s first 5 years.


Make it make sense?
I meant the kinect didn't work for the X1. The Xbox was established well enough as a brand that Microsoft can move units even when they're sleep at the wheel. People still loved Halo and gears.
 
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Wimpy is kinda of right but no. MS didn't go full casual until the kinetic was semi successful but no way xbox was even in the realm of competing with Nintendo just based off fan bases alone. Kind of funny remembering courtdog hyping milo and kinetic.
But OG Xbox outsold Gamecube and Xbox One outsold WiiU, my brethren.
 

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You said the market grew After sony sold 170 million PS2s

Yet the next two generations sony and microsoft sold around 170 million consoles combined and it looks like that will be the case again this gen.

Where’s all the growth? And if xbox had been so terrible and lost so many customers since the 360 why hasn’t sony made it back even close to PS2 sales?

The numbers are there, it’s just hard to reconcile the narratives with the numbers.

The market grows like every year.

There's more competition.

I just explained some of this. :skip:

Numbers are there, yes. Ain't no narrative. To reiterate, Sony won't match those PS2 numbers unless they repeat and can get the competition to roll over plus have a draw for non-gamers.
 

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I get where you're coming from, but the Xbox One had a lot more issues with it than built-in Kinect. The always online requirement, for one, was a bigger issue.

And really, when it comes down to it, Xbox One did fine. It was never beating out the PS4. In retrospect, the 360 was an outlier because Sony fukked up the PS3's initial reveal, its pricing, and its architecture and 360 did pretty much everything right outside of the RROD issues. If you believe that Xbox brand had a chance to take down Playstation brand and fukked it up, I get why you would feel differently, but I just don't think that was really going to happen.
The biggest issue microsoft had with the X1 was the lack of big games. They had years where nothing happened for xbox while Sony was dropping GOTY worthy new I.Ps.

Half of Microsoft's studio's were working on kinect shyt, and it didn't work out.
 

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The market grows like every year.

There's more competition.

I just explained some of this. :skip:

Numbers are there, yes. Ain't no narrative. To reiterate, Sony won't match those PS2 numbers unless they repeat and can get the competition to roll over plus have a draw for non-gamers.
Again, how does the market grow if the same amount of consoles are sold each gen.

Make it make sense.
 

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This is a nice write up. The market has not grown at all, in some ways it has shrunk.

Like i said forum narratives and hype distort the truth the numbers are the numbers.


I will allow for a margin of error of a couple dozen million unit sales or so across generations, and assume that the numbers across the three generations aren't coming down, they are holding steady. Meaning we can and should assume that the addressable AAA console market has held steady at, let's say 175 million units across three generations of video game consoles. That's 20 years.

20 years of stagnation in the market.


And this is precisely why microsoft and sony(albeit a bit less aggressively) are putting their big investments into capturing market share outside of consoles.
 
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The biggest issue microsoft had with the X1 was the lack of big games. They had years where nothing happened for xbox while Sony was dropping GOTY worthy new I.Ps.

Half of Microsoft's studio's were working on kinect shyt, and it didn't work out.
I agree with you, but that was happening over the back half of the 360's life as well, before Kinect came out.

Microsoft has had issues managing their studios after about 2007, unfortunately. It's a shame.
 

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The biggest issue microsoft had with the X1 was the lack of big games. They had years where nothing happened for xbox while Sony was dropping GOTY worthy new I.Ps.

Half of Microsoft's studio's were working on kinect shyt, and it didn't work out.
I agree with you, but that was happening over the back half of the 360's life as well, before Kinect came out.

Microsoft has had issues managing their studios after about 2007, unfortunately. It's a shame.


Microsoft never had lots of studios to work on games until recently. Most of the “exclsuives” people remember from 360 were done by 3rd parties and happened out of circumstance I.E. xbox having a year headstart and PS3 being a bytch to develop for.

As the industry moved away from 3rd party exclusives microsft didn’t have anyone to make their games anymore, so they went through a drought until xbox leadership could convince microsft to buy/build some damn studios.

Ironically sony is in this same position right now. As they put first party resources into chasing GAAS it’s 3rd party games propping them up now.

Square is already talking about ending that type of shyt and sony just like microsft back then are starting to have some huge gaps in game releases.
 

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Again, how does the market grow if the same amount of consoles are sold each gen.

Make it make sense.

The market tends to grow incrementally. Also, there is more fierce competition.

The big sales bursts are from being able to cater to the non-gamer or casuals and pull in those sales.

This has already been addressed. Rehashing the same questions when you have the answers. :aicmon:
 

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The market tends to grow incrementally. Also, there is more fierce competition.

The big sales bursts are from being able to cater to the non-gamer or casuals and pull in those sales.

This has already been addressed. Rehashing the same questions when you have the answers. :aicmon:
I just posted numbers that prove this wrong.

Just cause you keep repeating it doesn’t make it true.

In no measure is the market growing incrementally. If anything it’s been shrinking for the last 20 years

Why are y’all so determined to ignore the numbers just to keep repeating the shyt you made up in your head :aicmon:
 

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I just posted numbers that prove this wrong.

Just cause you keep repeating it doesn’t make it true.

In no measure is the market growing incrementally. If anything it’s been shrinking for the last 20 years

Why are y’all so determined to ignore the numbers just to keep repeating the shyt you made up in your head :aicmon:

Numbers that purposely exclude competition to fit the narrative. :coffee:
 

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With Nintendo: Increase

Without Nintendo: "Decrease"

Takeaway: Competition.
No.

THE BREAKDOWN - HOME CONSOLES ONLY

With consoles only, these numbers are far more fascinating in their implications:

NES/Master System/Atari 7800: ~82 million units
SNES/Genesis/TurboGrafx-16: ~95 million
N64/PS1/Saturn/3D0: ~150.6 million
GCN/PS2/Dreamcast/Xbox: ~210 million
Wii/PS3/Xbox 360: ~270 million

Eighth gen with Switch:

Wii U/Switch/PS4/Xbox One: ~280 million

OR

Eighth gen without Switch: ~ 180 million

And this is where an alarming trend manifests more clearly - where earlier a decline may have been assumed to be mostly because of the handhelds, the fact of the matter is that for the previous generation, there is a steep decline over the preceding one in terms of overall unit sales; including the Switch as part of the generation actually dulls this decline (and in fact, if the Switch is included, in the long run, the eighth generation will presumably indicate an at least minor gain) - but if we include the Switch in the eighth generation, that just makes the issue for the ninth generation more acute.

The eighth generation was able to post a moderate growth over the previous one off the back of two Nintendo consoles being counted (one of them being their single most successful and record breaking one ever), along with an extremely successful PlayStation console; without that Nintendo console, we see a decline.
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AAA market is even worse :francis:
 
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