That and the loss of their exclusive and the lack of replenishing with new exclusives. Ghost of Tsushima alone crushes Microsoft new exclusives over the past decade. Let's not bring the TLOU and Spider-Man into it
Nintendo was Xbox's undoing far more than Sony ever was
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That and the loss of their exclusive and the lack of replenishing with new exclusives. Ghost of Tsushima alone crushes Microsoft new exclusives over the past decade. Let's not bring the TLOU and Spider-Man into it
The “hardcore” console market has always had about 160-170 million customers.
Sony had that entire market to themselves with PS2. They lost about 60 million of them to xbox and that number has pretty much stayed consistent.
The narratives have changed over the years, but the numbers are the numbers.
Now y’all should be making threads and theories wondering how sony could lose all those customers to xbox and why they have not been able to get them back despite xbox being so “terrible” in y’all’s eyes over the last decade or so. But that would make you have to admit some uncomfortable truths, and we can’t have that
Sony had that entire market to themselves with PS2. They lost about 60 million of them to xbox and that number has pretty much stayed consistent.
The narratives have changed over the years, but the numbers are the numbers.
Now y’all should be making threads and theories wondering how sony could lose all those customers to xbox and why they have not been able to get them back despite xbox being so “terrible” in y’all’s eyes over the last decade or so. But that would make you have to admit some uncomfortable truths, and we can’t have that
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Would you rather be the company that owns 70% of the market and is strengthening a position you had once weakened with your hubris or the company that owns 30% of the market and is having a tough time improving on that?The “hardcore” console market has always had about 160-70 million customers.
Sony had that entire market to themselves with PS2. They lost about 60 million of them to xbox and that number has pretty much stayed consistent.
The narratives have changed over the years, but the numbers are the numbers.
Now y’all should be making threads and theories wondering how sony could lose all those customers to xbox and why they have not been able to get them back despite xbox being so “terrible” in y’all’s eyes over the last decade or so. But that would make you have to admit some uncomfortable truths, and we can’t have that
In a stagnant market i would rather be the company in position to make money in new and growing markets.
Sony is now currently paying Microsoft for the future of their own existence.
You guys are stuck on console wars. There’s billions of people spending money on games that don’t even touch consoles. Why in the hell would/should any company spend significant resources fighting over scraps with a company that clearly has, and always has had a clear hold on that market?
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Let’s do this one more time. So this whole thing can be put to rest.
Don’t know why sony stans bother yourselves with this topic so much. Literally every day we get a bunch of threads and posts of you weirdos twisting your brains into pretzels trying to figure this out.
The answer is Xbox is, as Xbox always has been.
By the numbers.
As of May 2010 360 had sold 40 million consoles.
So in 5 years they sold 40 million consoles
Just 3 years later they had sold a whopping 80 million consoles
Xbox 360: 80 Million Sold and Counting - IGN
Xbox 360 has officially sold 80 million units, making it the seventh best-selling piece of gaming hardware in industry history.www.ign.com
So you may wonder where in the hell did this explosion in sales come form
Kinect - Wikipedia
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Kinect released in November 2010
Ironically the thing you credit with “xbox downfall” is the ONLY reason you can point to 360 sales to fall from. The kinect unit itself sold about 35 million units.
In comparison the xbox one. The console y’all claim to be such a failure and a product of microsoft’s bad decisions and their “downfall” Sold the same 40 million in its first 5 years
39.1 Million Xbox One Consoles Sold Globally: Report
The Xbox One, Xbox One S, and Xbox One X have sold a total of 39.1 million units.www.gadgets360.com
And ended at about 60 million
Series X numbers are harder to come by but estimates said around 18 mill in two years, which was actually more than 360 first two years
So with no exclusives, putting all their stuff on PC day one. Series X still in line with the sales of its predecessors
There’s only one anomaly in this 23 years of xbox sales. And it’s called the Kinect. The ultimate irony is that the kinect it’s what’s throwing y’all’s perception off. The casual thing that supposedly ushered in bad times at xbox is quite literally its most successful moment in console sales. Remove the 35 million kinect’s sold and 360 probably sells LESS than Xbox 1
So as per usual, The actual numbers don’t seem to add up to the forum narratives y’all been repeating for 20 years now, crazy,
So please. You guys don’t have to lose sleep over this anymore.
It’s not nintendo, it’s not sony, it’s not “exclusives” or PC releases. It’s not “dudebros” or “casuals” not sonys “used games” video, it’s not “tv tv tv”
The answer is simple. Xbox is, as xbox always has been.
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People forget that motion controls were hot and that Kinect on 360 was a success.
Kinect on Xbox One wasn't because the fad was over, but Kinect on 360 was absolutely hot.
Meach is correct on this one.
“Overall growth of the Market” yet sony has never again gotten close to even sniffing the success it had with PS2Xbox sold more than the last.
Ignore the overall growth of the market playing into that. Oh, and other console makers selling more, too.
If xbox is so terrible and the market has grown so much(which it hasn’t) why is sony struggling to match its past success??
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I also think that Meach is correct that Xbox is what it is. It has little room to grow in EU or JP, and it's been a consistent brand in the U.S. with one outlier generation that came partially as a result of Kinect (there are other reasons, like XBL having really good brand recognition and being advanced for console online play at the time and the work they did with indie releases to highlight them as a focused benefit of being on Xbox).
In this case, he brought receipts, too.
I do think that we get in a bubble where we are an audience that plays a lot of games and sort of rolled our eyes at motion control, but the wider market was interested in that stuff because it looked like "the future" in gaming.
In this case, he brought receipts, too.
I do think that we get in a bubble where we are an audience that plays a lot of games and sort of rolled our eyes at motion control, but the wider market was interested in that stuff because it looked like "the future" in gaming.
One the the biggest lies in gaming history.
The kinect was definitely a success, but I also understand the argument that it was microsofts downfall. It seems like they bet everything on the kinect going into the X1, and when it didn't work, Microsoft was just stagnant for a few years while Sony continued gaining ground. I believe microsoft even admitted they were considering exiting the console market around that time.
“Overall growth of the Market” yet sony has never again gotten close to even sniffing the success it had with PS2
If xbox is so terrible and the market has grown so much(which it hasn’t) why is sony struggling to match its past success??
Don't think there's as much of a struggle to get sales? PS4 clearly sold a ton but won't have the PS2 legs for a few reasons. PS2 was perfect time release (SEGA dying and N64/GC were the competition) and was popular as an inexpensive DVD player for the non-gamer. PS2 also kept production like ten years in keeping it cheap. Lotta cross gen stuff for it. PS4 would have to keep cross gen titles prioritized and making the console a more attractive offering than say the Series S as a best shot.
To make a note on that level of success since the PS2, its been Nintendo with Wii, DS, and Switch.
“it didn’t work” is a misconception.
How could 360 be such a great success through its first 5 years while selling 40 mill.
But X1 was a failure selling the same 40 mill it’s first 5 years.
Make it make sense?
You said the market grew After sony sold 170 million PS2s
Yet the next two generations sony and microsoft sold around 170 million consoles combined and it looks like that will be the case again this gen.
Where’s all the growth? And if xbox had been so terrible and lost so many customers since the 360 why hasn’t sony made it back even close to PS2 sales?
The numbers are there, it’s just hard to reconcile the narratives with the numbers.
Wimpy is kinda of right but no. MS didn't go full casual until the kinetic was semi successful but no way xbox was even in the realm of competing with Nintendo just based off fan bases alone. Kind of funny remembering courtdog hyping milo and kinetic.
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I get where you're coming from, but the Xbox One had a lot more issues with it than built-in Kinect. The always online requirement, for one, was a bigger issue.
And really, when it comes down to it, Xbox One did fine. It was never beating out the PS4. In retrospect, the 360 was an outlier because Sony fukked up the PS3's initial reveal, its pricing, and its architecture and 360 did pretty much everything right outside of the RROD issues. If you believe that Xbox brand had a chance to take down Playstation brand and fukked it up, I get why you would feel differently, but I just don't think that was really going to happen.