Nintendo was Xbox's undoing far more than Sony ever was

[winb83]

The Wii came out and motion controls were all the rage. At a time both Sony and Microsoft looked at what Nintendo was doing and said we can do that too. We all know the reality. Nobody can really do what Nintendo does. Sony comes out with Move and Microsoft with Kinect. In the next console generation instead of deciding to leave the motion controls pursuit of Nintendo behind Microsoft doubles down on it. Sony kinda decides meh we'll let Nintendo have that lane and focus on customers Nintendo doesn't really cater to.

Sony doubles down on what Xbox fans criticize as "movie games." Microsoft tries to force the Kinect to pop bundles it into the consoles costing the price to go up. They skimp on the hardware specs to make up for the expense of the Kinect. In the end Microsoft was forced to abandon it's pursuit of Nintendo and motion controls but not before letting that tank the Xbox brand.

People will play up E3 and the used games controversy but really it was the Kinect and chasing of Nintendo instead of focusing on Xbox's real core gamer crowd that undid everything. Sony made the obvious choice and reaped the rewards. If Microsoft looked hard at the Wii numbers they would have understood that it wasn't worth chasing those super casual gamers that bought a Wii and mostly let it collect dust. Sony was smart to realize they didn't need to chose those folks anymore.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Sony stans

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

The Wii came out and motion controls were all the rage. At a time both Sony and Microsoft looked at what Nintendo was doing and said we can do that too. We all know the reality. Nobody can really do what Nintendo does. Sony comes out with Move and Microsoft with Kinect. In the next console generation instead of deciding to leave the motion controls pursuit of Nintendo behind Microsoft doubles down on it. Sony kinda decides meh we'll let Nintendo have that lane and focus on customers Nintendo doesn't really cater to.

Sony doubles down on what Xbox fans criticize as "movie games." Microsoft tries to force the Kinect to pop bundles it into the consoles costing the price to go up. They skimp on the hardware specs to make up for the expense of the Kinect. In the end Microsoft was forced to abandon it's pursuit of Nintendo and motion controls but not before letting that tank the Xbox brand.

People will play up E3 and the used games controversy but really it was the Kinect and chasing of Nintendo instead of focusing on Xbox's real core gamer crowd that undid everything. Sony made the obvious choice and reaped the rewards. If Microsoft looked hard at the Wii numbers they would have understood that it wasn't worth chasing those super casual gamers that bought a Wii and mostly let it collect dust. Sony was smart to realize they didn't need to chose those folks anymore.

Naw, still sounds like Microsoft and their lack of vision for gaming was the undoing of xbox

 

[Loose]

1 star

 

[ItWasWritten]

Put the liquor down WinB

 

[Rice N Beans]

In a better nutshell, it is the strong focus on casualness that bites. Nintendo herds that crowd with refreshing gameplay and accessibility in familiar franchises. MS just copies what other popular franchises are doing into their own and expects results.

Take a look at the spins on their own large IPs with Halo Infinite and something like Mario Bros Wonder.

 

[Arcavian]

That damn Xbox One presentation was the undoing of Xbox

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Let’s do this one more time. So this whole thing can be put to rest.

Don’t know why sony stans bother yourselves with this topic so much. Literally every day we get a bunch of threads and posts of you weirdos twisting your brains into pretzels trying to figure this out.

The answer is Xbox is, as Xbox always has been.

By the numbers.

As of May 2010 360 had sold 40 million consoles.

So in 5 years they sold 40 million consoles

Just 3 years later they had sold a whopping 80 million consoles

Xbox 360: 80 Million Sold and Counting - IGN

Xbox 360 has officially sold 80 million units, making it the seventh best-selling piece of gaming hardware in industry history.

www.ign.com

So you may wonder where in the hell did this explosion in sales come form

Kinect - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Kinect released in November 2010

Ironically the thing you credit with “xbox downfall” is the ONLY reason you can point to 360 sales to fall from. The kinect unit itself sold about 35 million units.


In comparison the xbox one. The console y’all claim to be such a failure and a product of microsoft’s bad decisions and their “downfall” Sold the same 40 million in its first 5 years

39.1 Million Xbox One Consoles Sold Globally: Report

The Xbox One, Xbox One S, and Xbox One X have sold a total of 39.1 million units.

www.gadgets360.com

And ended at about 60 million

Series X numbers are harder to come by but estimates said around 18 mill in two years, which was actually more than 360 first two years

So with no exclusives, putting all their stuff on PC day one. Series X still in line with the sales of its predecessors

There’s only one anomaly in this 23 years of xbox sales. And it’s called the Kinect. The ultimate irony is that the kinect it’s what’s throwing y’all’s perception off. The casual thing that supposedly ushered in bad times at xbox is quite literally its most successful moment in console sales. Remove the 35 million kinect’s sold and 360 probably sells LESS than Xbox 1



So as per usual, The actual numbers don’t seem to add up to the forum narratives y’all been repeating for 20 years now, crazy,

So please. You guys don’t have to lose sleep over this anymore.

It’s not nintendo, it’s not sony, it’s not “exclusives” or PC releases. It’s not “dudebros” or “casuals” not sonys “used games” video, it’s not “tv tv tv”

The answer is simple. Xbox is, as xbox always has been.

Thank you for attending my ted talk

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

Let’s do this one more time. So this whole thing can be put to rest.

Don’t know why sony stans bother yourselves with this topic so much. Literally every day we get a bunch of threads and posts of you weirdos twisting your brains into pretzels trying to figure this out.

The answer is Xbox is, as Xbox always has been.

By the numbers.

As of May 2010 360 had sold 40 million consoles.

So in 5 years they sold 40 million consoles

Just 3 years later they had sold a whopping 80 million consoles

Xbox 360: 80 Million Sold and Counting - IGN

Xbox 360 has officially sold 80 million units, making it the seventh best-selling piece of gaming hardware in industry history.

www.ign.com

So you may wonder where in the hell did this explosion in sales come form

Kinect - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Kinect released in November 2010

Ironically the thing you credit with “xbox downfall” is the ONLY reason you can point to 360 sales to fall from. The kinect unit itself sold about 35 million units.


In comparison the xbox one. The console y’all claim to be such a failure and a product of microsoft’s bad decisions and their “downfall” Sold the same 40 million in its first 5 years

39.1 Million Xbox One Consoles Sold Globally: Report

The Xbox One, Xbox One S, and Xbox One X have sold a total of 39.1 million units.

www.gadgets360.com

And ended at about 60 million

Series X numbers are harder to come by but estimates said around 18 mill in two years, which was actually more than 360 first two years

So with no exclusives, putting all their stuff on PC day one. Series X still in line with the sales of its predecessors

There’s only one anomaly in this 23 years of xbox sales. And it’s called the Kinect. The ultimate irony is that the kinect it’s what’s throwing y’all’s perception off. The casual thing that supposedly ushered in bad times at xbox is quite literally its most successful moment in console sales. Remove the 35 million kinect’s sold and 360 probably sells LESS than Xbox 1



So as per usual, The actual numbers don’t seem to add up to the forum narratives y’all been repeating for 20 years now, crazy,

So please. You guys don’t have to lose sleep over this anymore.

It’s not nintendo, it’s not sony, it’s not “exclusives” or PC releases. It’s not “dudebros” or “casuals” not sonys “used games” video, it’s not “tv tv tv”

The answer is simple. Xbox is, as xbox always has been.

Thank you for attending my ted talk

 

[Rice N Beans]

Xbox sold more than the last.

Ignore the overall growth of the market playing into that. Oh, and other console makers selling more, too.

 

[Space Cowboy]

Dap because I like the effort and in some ways you're right. Xbox lost momentum in the second half of that gen and then when PS3 got steam it didn't really stop. So when MS revealed Xbox one they gave Sony which already had momentum from the second half of the generation a free win.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

Dap because I like the effort and in some ways you're right. Xbox lost momentum in the second half of that gen and then when PS3 got steam it didn't really stop. So when MS revealed Xbox one they gave Sony which already had momentum from the second half of the generation a free win.

This theory only works if we don’t look at the big picture and see that sony only had a temporary fall off, one generation out of 5 so far.

The PS1 crushed buildings, the PS2 is the highest selling console of all time, the PS3 had a bad 3 years, and then it was back to our regularly scheduled program. Sony didn’t come out of nowhere and snatch the title from Microsoft, they always had it and just tapped xbox on the shoulder and had them hand it back over.

 

[Space Cowboy]

This theory only works if we don’t look at the big picture and see that sony only had a temporary fall off, one generation out of 5 so far.

The PS1 crushed buildings, the PS2 is the highest selling console of all time, the PS3 had a bad 3 years, and then it was back to our regularly scheduled program. Sony didn’t come out of nowhere and snatch the title from Microsoft, they always had it and just tapped xbox on the shoulder and had them hand it back over.

True and Sony held it down worldwide despite xbox dominance. It was only America where 360 dominated completely and once PS3 caught up...

But this is why MS fukking up Xbox One is so crucial. They built up an incredible audience and mindshare with 360 only to hand the keys to Sony. I know many folks that fukked with 360 exclusively only to buy PS4 and PS5 and not look back. If MS were more on the ball and hadn't handed Sony the keys they would be in far better position than now.

 

[FatherSimp]

Sony stans

You calling OP a Sony Stan is comedy

 

[Canon]

MS definitely tried to hop into Nintendo/casual customers and lost