Nick Young: Steph and KD were neck and neck for FMVP, then Steph had a bad game, was in tears even after win. KD was trying to get him it

[murksiderock]

I already know this

respect.....this ain't news to me tho, I peeped it in the moment , and it is/was a bad look fasho ain't no way round that, considering you won the fukkin game crybaby breh ....but look man I get it, I fukkin get it, that fMVP talk was heavy heavy them yrs man
And then you got this big lanky ass nikka eating up all the credit , UNJUSTIFIABLY, cuz of Ty Lue lil punk ass treating it like 2016, still. Plus KD being on beam those finals, not gone short change bruh . But they were up 2-0 cuz of the Chef, let's not get it twisted, he just picked the wrong team to have a shytty game against. It was only four games to play with. Cleveland sorry ass

Salute to KD tho for the gesture, he a real one for understanding who the MVP of them damn teams were. Like I said this ain't news to me, KD been good in my book. He just ain't better than Chef that's all
I don't give AF what narrative try to get spun from this but AINT did that before or after, that's just a fact that's gone have to be lived with man.

Blame Rachel Nichols and the rest of the goofs for d riding Bron so heavy and hoeing my nikka out his award in 2015, that's where it started.

I knew KD was trying to get him FMVP...

I didnt know Steph and his team was legitimately upset that KD won it. Yall knew that part?

Steph got shytted on for the award in '15, no debate there. Bron deserved the praise he got for that series though, he was the best player in that series by a mile. Watching it in real time, there is no one ever, on that stage, who did that kind of carry job in The Finals. He pushed a 67-win team to 6 with that roster around him. He deserved his praise...

I've always agreed that Steph not winning it in '15, shouldnt have been weaponized against him...

These kind of stories Def make my case that I have always made that Finals MVPs matter. This is why Kobe gets snubbed in all time conversations. This is why LeBron threw the 2011 Finals cause Wade had it locked. We literally perceive Curry differently because KD got the Finals MVP, Whereas if they lost, they would just look like the experiment didn't work, KD would get clowned and everybody moves on.

Bruh nobody snubs Kobe in All-Time conversations. What case does he have as a Top 3 player ever?

All of the guys typically ahead of him won more championships as a #1...

All of the guys ahead of him were Day One dominant in the NBA, as a matter of fact Kobe is the ONLY GOAT10 guy who wasnt dominant out the gates:

Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Mike, Shaq, Duncan, LeBron. All of these guys were INSTANT difference makers at the pro level...

Kobe becoming one of the 10 greatest players ever is a testament to his greatness because guys dont come in light and rise to that historical esteem. And this matters because if you're playing from this deficit, where other guys had a more impactful first 3-4 years than you, you better have the greatest career ever to leap these guys...

Most of the guys ahead of him have more dominant showings in the championship round (The Finals). Only Wilt and Bird really match his subpar-ness in that round. Kobe played in alot of Finals. He has one, 2009, that he was wall to wall dominant. Just one, he has a lot of mid Finals, a ton of mid Finals games. And remember, the comparison here isn't to the average player, it's to the other 9 greatest players ever. So this matters, how can you assume Top 3 when so many of these other guys were just better in that final round than you more consistently?

Kobe is the only GOAT10 guy who won most of his championships as a #2. Wilt, Bird, Mike, and LeBron won all their rings as a #1. So there's that, if you're comparing him to those four this is a part of the conversation...

Russell won 8 of 11 as a #1. Kareem won 3 of 6 as a #1. Magic won 3 of 5 as a #1. Shaq won 3 of 4 as a #1. Duncan won 4 of 5 as a #1..............Kobe won 2 of 5 as a #1.

We not gonna act like we don't understand that being the best player on a championship team matters. If it was strictly about ring count, we'd have Pippen, Havlicek, and a lot of other Celtics ahead of Kobe since he only has 5. But we know its not a ring counting thing...

Kobe and Shaq are the only GOAT10 guys with just one single MVP. Every other GOAT10 guy asserted themselves more dominantly on the sport that they won multiple MVPs. If you say Kobe got snubbed from winning MVPs, that's fine, as long as you're consistent and fine tooth comb the other 9 guys careers, and mention the years they didn't win MVP that they could've as well...

What case can be made that Kobe had a more impressive prime than ANY of the other 9 guys? Can any case be made that he peaked higher than any of the other 9 guys? Meaning Kobe at his absolute best, what was it, and how are you arguing that its better than these other guys at their absolute bests? The reality is that he peaked lower and had a less dominant prime. Again, this doesn't mean "low" or "not dominant", its strictly in relation to the other 9 GOAT10 players, obviously Kobe is one of the most dominant players, one of the highest peaks in NBA history...

Its not special compared to tge other 9 guys. Yall gotta stop this "Kobe gets snubbed" bullshyt...

Kobe doesn't get snubbed, he's where he belongs which is people acknowledging how great he made himself. You guys typically want him Top 3 based upon ring counting, yet we all understand all rings aren't viewed the same. Yet with Kobe we move the standards for him, because he's our favorite. We do this "he was the closest to Mike" thing, as if that means he should automatically be viewed as a Top 3 player. Thats not how this works and we know it but yall try to will it for Kobe...

Last point, Bron didnt throw the '11 Finals, he just sucked, plain and simple. Also people who really objectively watch ball, never held Steph previously not having a FMVP against him. The people who did are the ones who were pushing bullshyt, no one else cared that he didnt have one...

Any alltime list in the media they always got several players between him and MJ all time which makes no sense objectively. Most real b ball heads give Kobe his due but I never liked how the media rarely mentions his name as top 3 and the Finals MVP argument Is the main reason why IMO

 

[Fresh]

He single handedly beat that Celtics team. Warriors weren’t even suppose to be in the finals

Now you see how curry was carrying that warriors team on the brink of collapsing

Warriors still got one more championship run in them I think if they make the right trades

of GS can get some good players for Klay they should go ahead and trade him because he's washed, I don't know his contract tho

they should do something with Chris Paul too because he has bad luck with injuries

 

[KidJSoul]

I knew KD was trying to get him FMVP...

I didnt know Steph and his team was legitimately upset that KD won it. Yall knew that part?

Steph got shytted on for the award in '15, no debate there. Bron deserved the praise he got for that series though, he was the best player in that series by a mile. Watching it in real time, there is no one ever, on that stage, who did that kind of carry job in The Finals. He pushed a 67-win team to 6 with that roster around him. He deserved his praise...

I've always agreed that Steph not winning it in '15, shouldnt have been weaponized against him...

Bruh nobody snubs Kobe in All-Time conversations. What case does he have as a Top 3 player ever?

All of the guys typically ahead of him won more championships as a #1...

All of the guys ahead of him were Day One dominant in the NBA, as a matter of fact Kobe is the ONLY GOAT10 guy who wasnt dominant out the gates:

Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Mike, Shaq, Duncan, LeBron. All of these guys were INSTANT difference makers at the pro level...

Kobe becoming one of the 10 greatest players ever is a testament to his greatness because guys dont come in light and rise to that historical esteem. And this matters because if you're playing from this deficit, where other guys had a more impactful first 3-4 years than you, you better have the greatest career ever to leap these guys...

Most of the guys ahead of him have more dominant showings in the championship round (The Finals). Only Wilt and Bird really match his subpar-ness in that round. Kobe played in alot of Finals. He has one, 2009, that he was wall to wall dominant. Just one, he has a lot of mid Finals, a ton of mid Finals games. And remember, the comparison here isn't to the average player, it's to the other 9 greatest players ever. So this matters, how can you assume Top 3 when so many of these other guys were just better in that final round than you more consistently?

Kobe is the only GOAT10 guy who won most of his championships as a #2. Wilt, Bird, Mike, and LeBron won all their rings as a #1. So there's that, if you're comparing him to those four this is a part of the conversation...

Russell won 8 of 11 as a #1. Kareem won 3 of 6 as a #1. Magic won 3 of 5 as a #1. Shaq won 3 of 4 as a #1. Duncan won 4 of 5 as a #1..............Kobe won 2 of 5 as a #1.

We not gonna act like we don't understand that being the best player on a championship team matters. If it was strictly about ring count, we'd have Pippen, Havlicek, and a lot of other Celtics ahead of Kobe since he only has 5. But we know its not a ring counting thing...

Kobe and Shaq are the only GOAT10 guys with just one single MVP. Every other GOAT10 guy asserted themselves more dominantly on the sport that they won multiple MVPs. If you say Kobe got snubbed from winning MVPs, that's fine, as long as you're consistent and fine tooth comb the other 9 guys careers, and mention the years they didn't win MVP that they could've as well...

What case can be made that Kobe had a more impressive prime than ANY of the other 9 guys? Can any case be made that he peaked higher than any of the other 9 guys? Meaning Kobe at his absolute best, what was it, and how are you arguing that its better than these other guys at their absolute bests? The reality is that he peaked lower and had a less dominant prime. Again, this doesn't mean "low" or "not dominant", its strictly in relation to the other 9 GOAT10 players, obviously Kobe is one of the most dominant players, one of the highest peaks in NBA history...

Its not special compared to tge other 9 guys. Yall gotta stop this "Kobe gets snubbed" bullshyt...

Kobe doesn't get snubbed, he's where he belongs which is people acknowledging how great he made himself. You guys typically want him Top 3 based upon ring counting, yet we all understand all rings aren't viewed the same. Yet with Kobe we move the standards for him, because he's our favorite. We do this "he was the closest to Mike" thing, as if that means he should automatically be viewed as a Top 3 player. Thats not how this works and we know it but yall try to will it for Kobe...

Last point, Bron didnt throw the '11 Finals, he just sucked, plain and simple. Also people who really objectively watch ball, never held Steph previously not having a FMVP against him. The people who did are the ones who were pushing bullshyt, no one else cared that he didnt have one...

Breh Kobe literally proved he was capable of winning multiple rings being a number #1 option... but people still don't want to rep him high cuz he had Shaq... even though he PROVED HE.COULD WIN MULTIPLE WITHOUT HIM

And Kobe had several series where he was equally important or more than Shaq

It's why I hate the finals MVP award. People inflate it's worth on the value of a player.

There's no reason KD should be held in higher regard than Harden but he is because he got finals MVPs after joining the most selfless superstar of the modern era

And like that other guy said, Lebron possibly threw 2011 because he knew he would never get respect if he wasn't "the best player on his own team" for his first ring.

I fear similar things will happen with Tatum's legacy... he's the teams best player for 97% of the year and the most important piece but people will literally act like he isn't that good becuase he struggled in the finals compared to Brown

 

[seemorecizzy]

They definitely should’ve checked Draymond. I’m pretty good at reading situations. Draymond didn’t get checked because Steph and Klay wanted KD gone. He overstayed his welcome which is wild as they asked him to come.

i dont think they wanted him gone
They just weren't rolling with him over Dray even if Dray was wrong. I'm sure they felt dray was right about Durant being distance and acting weird as well..even before the "we dont need you" incident.

None of da players checked him or told him to apologize. Just management.


Curry flew to Japan or something to recruit Durant. By the time he landed, Durant already made his decision lol which is foul in itself but kinda speaks to how he felt like like a outsider.

Klay don't care one way or da other if he stayed since it wasnt effecting anything he was doing.

 

[Unbothered]

I still think the Andre Iguodala FMVP decision was a failure on the voters' behalf and kinda speaks volumes on how LeBron's stature at the time was soo big that all the focus was on him which is what led to Iguodala winning FMVP.

The voters were soo impressed by Iggy's defense (while good was also overhyped) on a somewhat still-in-his-prime LeBron that Steph's performance was overlooked. Unfortunately, in some ways, Steph was a nobody still trying to earn his stripes as a star/superstar during that 2015 season compared to the years afterward when he was fully recognized.

 

[No1]

There's no reason KD should be held in higher regard than Harden but he is because he got finals MVPs after joining the most selfless superstar of the modern era

You really typed this?

 

[Killer Instinct]

YET KOBE HAS AS MANY FMVP
AS KAREEM AND THATS NEVER
USED AGAINST KAREEM...

GOES TO SHOW A CERTAIN COMMUNITY
IN THE MEDIA ARE PUSHING AGENDAS





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I love Larry but man averaged 8 or 9 points in a Finals where Cornbread Maxwell was the FMVP. Meanwhile, Kobe's numbers in '00 (with Prime Shaquille O'Neal) are copy, pasted, and pinned on the clipboard.

 

[Ozymandeas]

i dont think they wanted him gone
They just weren't rolling with him over Dray even if Dray was wrong. I'm sure they felt dray was right about Durant being distance and acting weird as well..even before the "we dont need you" incident.

None of da players checked him or told him to apologize. Just management.


Curry flew to Japan or something to recruit Durant. By the time he landed, Durant already made his decision lol which is foul in itself but kinda speaks to how he felt like like a outsider.

Klay don't care one way or da other if he stayed since it wasnt effecting anything he was doing.

IMO, if a player on your team disrespects your team’s best player on live television and then your owner does it again, and you, as the team’s “leader” do not come out to support them or make them feel welcome, that’s not a good look. It would’ve took nothing to do an interview on any of the various podcasts and sports shows. So that tells me they wanted the nikka gone and Draymond was the one to do the dirty work. They did it again with Jordan Poole. Brehs could’ve easily handled that diplomatically like Jordan and Kerr did but instead they traded that nikka. On the low, Steph is very passive and he acts like he doesn’t co-sign Draymond but he does. That’s his Charles Oakley.

 

[KidJSoul]

You really typed this?

Yes

Outside of GSW , KD isn't really much better than Harden. He's a better playoff scorer obviously but he's not a winner at all and he's flamed out like hell

 

[T'Challa Trillmonger]

you know the finals aint hittin when this story and the lakers coaching story is getting way more traction than the Cs finally on the verge of a chip, paying off their 8 year build since they made it to the ECF as youngins

 

[T'Challa Trillmonger]

Every dynasty needs insane luck to win.

Also nobody had the Warriors winning even with the lottery picks and Wiggins.

even if we pull up the old threads now, Celtics were favored to win it all until Steph turned up around game 3

 

[No1]

Yes

Outside of GSW , KD isn't really much better than Harden. He's a better playoff scorer obviously but he's not a winner at all and he's flamed out like hell

And you aren’t embarrassed by this take?

 

[10bandz]

YET KOBE HAS AS MANY FMVP
AS KAREEM AND THATS NEVER
USED AGAINST KAREEM...

GOES TO SHOW A CERTAIN COMMUNITY
IN THE MEDIA ARE PUSHING AGENDAS





​

Exactly.

 

[seemorecizzy]

IMO, if a player on your team disrespects your team’s best player on live television and then your owner does it again, and you, as the team’s “leader” do not come out to support them or make them feel welcome, that’s not a good look. It would’ve took nothing to do an interview on any of the various podcasts and sports shows. So that tells me they wanted the nikka gone and Draymond was the one to do the dirty work. They did it again with Jordan Poole. Brehs could’ve easily handled that diplomatically like Jordan and Kerr did but instead they traded that nikka. On the low, Steph is very passive and he acts like he doesn’t co-sign Draymond but he does. That’s his Charles Oakley.

Curry doesn't lead that way, not sure if he does much leading at all. He wanna be cool with everyone and not ruffle any feathers one way or da other. Draymond is da leader.

i dont even think he wanted Poole gone. He defended him publicly. It's just that draymond is his brother and he's not turning on him for newbies.

 

[Big Boss]

IMO, if a player on your team disrespects your team’s best player on live television and then your owner does it again, and you, as the team’s “leader” do not come out to support them or make them feel welcome, that’s not a good look. It would’ve took nothing to do an interview on any of the various podcasts and sports shows. So that tells me they wanted the nikka gone and Draymond was the one to do the dirty work. They did it again with Jordan Poole. Brehs could’ve easily handled that diplomatically like Jordan and Kerr did but instead they traded that nikka. On the low, Steph is very passive and he acts like he doesn’t co-sign Draymond but he does. That’s his Charles Oakley.

I mean Steph, Dray and Klay are all day 1s. They been together since the beginning

Guys like KD and Poole are outsiders