murksiderock
Superstar
I can't really argue with the Top 10. The only person I'd really debate would be Otto Graham. Guy only played 10 seasons, maybe 25+ years ago that was enough to still make you still Top 10, but considering the number of guys who have had a profound impact at the position since the mid-90s, you have to bump Graham off...
So just to speak on a couple guys cats in here are saying should have made it:
•Moon is an All-Timer, but he ain't Top 10. Dude is a career .500 QB (102-101) with a losing playoff record (3-7). He was physically and cerebrally gifted at the position but too often he put up numbers with mediocre results. That ain't Top 10...
•Russ could possibly make his way to Top 10 status. He's only in Year 8, and with the longevity of the modern QB, he probably has a good decade left, the entire '20s. I do think he's probably done enough to already be considered a Top 30 All-Timer, and he only climbs from there, but he ain't sniffing Top 10 yet...
•Young, Kelly, and Rodgers are the top two guys you could argue should replace Graham. In the case of Young, you have to consider a few things:
He only won one of his rings as The Guy. You take away his '94 Super Bowl run, he has a losing playoff record. Also, 8 of his 15 years he played fewer than 12 games. Part of that was he had to back up Montana, the other part is he was injury prone relative to the other elite QBs we discuss. So with Young we are really evaluating the 7 years he played full schedule or close to it, you run into the Graham argument, in a sense...
Pound for pound, you can make the argument Young is the most accurate passer of all time, and he was athletic as hell. He won big games with few meltdowns, so the years he was truly elite, is why you can make the case he belongs. But I understand why he didn't make the cut...
•Warner was a great player at his best, but he's a guy who shouldn't even be in The Hall. In a 12-year career, he spent 6 years right in the middle of it as a part time backup to guys like Eli and Leinart, and in that 2002-2007 stretch, when he did start, he was 13-29. 13 and fukking 29. His last two years and that Bowl run in Arizona saved his reputation, he's one of the easier guys to see why he ain't up there. He's overrated...
•Fouts was arguably better than Warner, for sure a Top 5 guy at his peak, but only made the playoffs 4 times in 15 years and is a career .500 guy (86-84-1). Easy to see why he ain't there...
•nikkas saying Cunningham and Vick and McNabb and McNair and other black QBs are way off with their football IQ. Moon is the greatest black QB ever, in the Top 15 range, these other guys weren't touching him until Russ...
So just to speak on a couple guys cats in here are saying should have made it:
•Moon is an All-Timer, but he ain't Top 10. Dude is a career .500 QB (102-101) with a losing playoff record (3-7). He was physically and cerebrally gifted at the position but too often he put up numbers with mediocre results. That ain't Top 10...
•Russ could possibly make his way to Top 10 status. He's only in Year 8, and with the longevity of the modern QB, he probably has a good decade left, the entire '20s. I do think he's probably done enough to already be considered a Top 30 All-Timer, and he only climbs from there, but he ain't sniffing Top 10 yet...
•Young, Kelly, and Rodgers are the top two guys you could argue should replace Graham. In the case of Young, you have to consider a few things:
He only won one of his rings as The Guy. You take away his '94 Super Bowl run, he has a losing playoff record. Also, 8 of his 15 years he played fewer than 12 games. Part of that was he had to back up Montana, the other part is he was injury prone relative to the other elite QBs we discuss. So with Young we are really evaluating the 7 years he played full schedule or close to it, you run into the Graham argument, in a sense...
Pound for pound, you can make the argument Young is the most accurate passer of all time, and he was athletic as hell. He won big games with few meltdowns, so the years he was truly elite, is why you can make the case he belongs. But I understand why he didn't make the cut...
•Warner was a great player at his best, but he's a guy who shouldn't even be in The Hall. In a 12-year career, he spent 6 years right in the middle of it as a part time backup to guys like Eli and Leinart, and in that 2002-2007 stretch, when he did start, he was 13-29. 13 and fukking 29. His last two years and that Bowl run in Arizona saved his reputation, he's one of the easier guys to see why he ain't up there. He's overrated...
•Fouts was arguably better than Warner, for sure a Top 5 guy at his peak, but only made the playoffs 4 times in 15 years and is a career .500 guy (86-84-1). Easy to see why he ain't there...
•nikkas saying Cunningham and Vick and McNabb and McNair and other black QBs are way off with their football IQ. Moon is the greatest black QB ever, in the Top 15 range, these other guys weren't touching him until Russ...
