Netflix might have one: Making a Murderer (Dec 18th)

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well thought out theory breh....:ehh:

But...

You're dead wrong about Steven being the only person with time to burn a body on that day...Bobby Dassey and Scott Tadych both had time on their hands to commit this murder out in the quarry...Scott claimed he didn't go to work that day so he can visit his mother...He was home around the same time Bobby and Brendan were and admitted to seeing Teresa...Bobby's alibi is that Scott saw him at around 4pm...but that doesn't mean either one of them couldn't have ambushed Teresa up the road when she was done with Steve...

As far as the bleach is concerned I don't believe it was proven as fact the garage was bleached that night and Dean Strand said dear blood was all over the garage...I believe the whole bleach story was something Brendan said and as we know he made up a lot of shyt...Like raping and killing Teresa three times...slit her throat, strangled her and shot her 11 times...That's a lot of blood to bleach out breh and they didn't find a single strand of evidence in Steves trailer and garage where Brendan said these events took place (the contaminated bullet doesn't count for obvious reasons)...So it's hard for me to believe two inbred hicks with a combined IQ of 130 are on Dexter Morgans forensic game...These dumb fukks would probably end up suffocating themselves trying to setup a kill room...

That said I don't believe in Steve's innocence...I'm 50/50 on him and that's because they botched the investigation...The only thing I'm pretty sure of is the only part Brendan may have had in this crime is assist with the body...That kid did not rape or kill anybody....


Brendan's bleached jeans wee part of the trial. His own mother noticed that his jeans were bleached when he got in.

As far as the timeline:

morning: Teresa leaves a voicemail stating she can stop by for the photo assignment that afternoon around 2:00 p.m. "or even a little later."

2:27 p.m.: Teresa receives a phone call from Auto Trader lasting 5 minutes. (*)

2:30 p.m.: Bobby Dassey testifies this is Teresa’s arrival time.

(around) 2:30 p.m.: There are two phone calls from Steven’s cellphone to Teresa’s cellphone, using the [star]67 feature to block caller identification. One lasted 7 seconds and the other was apparently hung up before being answered. (*)

2:30 - 2:45 p.m.: Scott Tadych testifies this is when he returns from visiting his mother in the hospital. He further states he saw flames from Steven's bonfire later that evening reaching 10' tall.

(just before) 3:00 p.m.: Scott Tadych testifies he departs to go deer hunting at this time.

2:41 p.m.: There is no physical activity on Teresa’s cellphone after this point (based on testimony from Tony Zimmerman, a Cingular Wireless network engineer).

2:45 - 3:00 p.m.: Bobby Dassey testifies he leaves in this timeframe to go bow hunting.

3:15 p.m.: In his statement to police on November 29, this is the time Scott Tadych claims to have returned home. He says the flames from Steven's bonfire were only 3' tall during this interview.

3:30 - 3:40 p.m.: Lisa Buchner, high school bus driver, testifies she drops off the Dassey boys during this window and sees Teresa photographing the van.

3:40 p.m.: Bobby Dassey testifies he departs at this time and Teresa’s vehicle is still in the driveway, but no Teresa.

4:35 p.m.: There is a call from Steven’s cell phone to Teresa’s cellphone, not using the blocking feature and lasting 13 seconds. (*)

5:36 p.m.: Steven receives a call from his fiancée Jodi from Manitowoc County Jail; they talk for 15 minutes.

7:00 p.m.: According to Brendan’s final story, this is when Steven calls and invites him to the bonfire.

8:57 p.m.: Steven receives a second call from Jodi; she has the impression he is already in bed.

Tadych leaves at 3:00 and Dassey at 3:40. The bus driver sees her at 3:30 or 3:40 taking pictures. I do believe her and do believe she was alive at that point. Who is the sole person with hella free time after that juncture? The next time Steve is doing anything (besides the 13 second call at 4:35 to Teresa's phone) is 5:36 when he talks to Jodi.
 
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That could have been Steve and there is substantial evidence to support that theory...

The documentary for some reason left out the fact Steve made several phone calls to Teresa and two of those calls used *67 to hide his number...He also used his sisters name when he specifically requested Teresa show up for the pictures...

This is very suspect IMO and a big part of the reason I don't believe Steve is as innocent as he claims to be...

You didn't watch the interview with Dean. Teresa knew exactly where she was going. The witnesses from Autotrader said that Teresa in her own words said "I'm going back to the Avery place"

We can wonder why he used *67 to talk to her but he called three times and only used *67 twice.

If the prosecution had any evidence that Avery was the one making threatening phone calls then why wasn't that in the trial? Also, we know that the ex-boyfriend "guessed" Teresa's password to her phone and deleted voicemails after she was gone. Why did he do that? Isn't that suspicious? Isn't it suspicious that the roommate didn't call her in as missing until she didn't come home apparently for 4-5 days?
 

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I know Avery isn't the sharpest guy, but y'all saw those aerial shots of their property.....with ALL that land, why would he bury her bones right behind his trailer? :comeon:

And wouldn't someone notice him digging up his yard like that?

He coulda buried her bones in the middle of nowhere out there underneath a car and nobody would've ever found it.
 
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Y'all need to start paying attention. Avery didn't necessarily have a fire the night Teresa was killed and even if he did so what? The evidence shows that the bones were not burned in his burn pit. So where the fukk was the body burned? Sure, the bones ended up in his burn pit.. but we know she wasn't burned there. Also, he's a master at wiping away DNA evidence and blood splatter but he's going to leave her bones in the front yard?

Come the fukk on. Anyone in here saying they know Steven killed her is trolling at this point. :beli:

I'm not saying he didn't do it, I'm saying there's no way anyone could say beyond a reasonable doubt that he did. There's a huge difference.
 

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Dan Wetzel dropped some more thoughts and sheds some light on some new shyt. Apparently Dassey offered up another confession that wasn't video recorded and is actually more believable than the rape/throat slitting/shots to the head scenario...but Kratz opted to try the case using the sensationalist, unbelievable scenario and still won the case anyway.

 

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Brendan's bleached jeans wee part of the trial. His own mother noticed that his jeans were bleached when he got in.

As far as the timeline:

morning: Teresa leaves a voicemail stating she can stop by for the photo assignment that afternoon around 2:00 p.m. "or even a little later."

2:27 p.m.: Teresa receives a phone call from Auto Trader lasting 5 minutes. (*)

2:30 p.m.: Bobby Dassey testifies this is Teresa’s arrival time.

(around) 2:30 p.m.: There are two phone calls from Steven’s cellphone to Teresa’s cellphone, using the [star]67 feature to block caller identification. One lasted 7 seconds and the other was apparently hung up before being answered. (*)

2:30 - 2:45 p.m.: Scott Tadych testifies this is when he returns from visiting his mother in the hospital. He further states he saw flames from Steven's bonfire later that evening reaching 10' tall.

(just before) 3:00 p.m.: Scott Tadych testifies he departs to go deer hunting at this time.

2:41 p.m.: There is no physical activity on Teresa’s cellphone after this point (based on testimony from Tony Zimmerman, a Cingular Wireless network engineer).

2:45 - 3:00 p.m.: Bobby Dassey testifies he leaves in this timeframe to go bow hunting.

3:15 p.m.: In his statement to police on November 29, this is the time Scott Tadych claims to have returned home. He says the flames from Steven's bonfire were only 3' tall during this interview.

3:30 - 3:40 p.m.: Lisa Buchner, high school bus driver, testifies she drops off the Dassey boys during this window and sees Teresa photographing the van.

3:40 p.m.: Bobby Dassey testifies he departs at this time and Teresa’s vehicle is still in the driveway, but no Teresa.

4:35 p.m.: There is a call from Steven’s cell phone to Teresa’s cellphone, not using the blocking feature and lasting 13 seconds. (*)

5:36 p.m.: Steven receives a call from his fiancée Jodi from Manitowoc County Jail; they talk for 15 minutes.

7:00 p.m.: According to Brendan’s final story, this is when Steven calls and invites him to the bonfire.

8:57 p.m.: Steven receives a second call from Jodi; she has the impression he is already in bed.

Tadych leaves at 3:00 and Dassey at 3:40. The bus driver sees her at 3:30 or 3:40 taking pictures. I do believe her and do believe she was alive at that point. Who is the sole person with hella free time after that juncture? The next time Steve is doing anything (besides the 13 second call at 4:35 to Teresa's phone) is 5:36 when he talks to Jodi.
There was no physical evidence introduced that supports the garage was bleached...All we have is Brendan's story and his jeans...if we are to believe those stains came from bleaching uncle Steve's garage you'd also have to believe Brendan raped Teresa, slit her throat, strangled her, was in the vicinity when she was shot 11 times and got NONE OF HER BLOOD ON HIM...He was wearing the same clothes when all of that shyt he claimed went down...

None of her DNA was found on those jeans...just bleach...

I also believe the bus driver, in fact she's the only one I believe...So Bobby who threw Steven under the bus at the trial said he saw the Toyota but didn't see Teresa at 3:40pm...The bus driver testified she saw Teresa around 3:30-3:40 alive and well on the property taking pictures...:jbhmm:

No one can account for Bobby Dassey and Scott Tadych whereabouts after 3:40pm...In fact Bobby Dassey's alibi is Tadych saw him leave at 3:40pm and Tadych could not verify what time he saw Bobby when he testified at Steven's trial...
:jbhmm:

Steven called Teresa's cellphone at 4:35 pm...If she was still with him or he killed her why would he call her cellphone?
:jbhmm:

Is it not plausible Teresa left Steven around 4:00pm - 4:30pm and one of those two or both who claimed they went hunting ambushed her up the road? Keep in mind the Avery Salvage yard is in the middle of nowhere...When she leaves the property its just her and whoever is out there on the road...

The biggest key in this case that hasn't been found is where this woman was killed...If they found evidence she was killed in the salvage yard this is an open and shut case, its only logical Steven killed her since he was the last one to see her on the Avery property according to the timeline...The physical evidence in this case though does not support she was killed in Stevens trailer or the garage and im assuming they searched the entire salvage yard...She was killed somewhere off that property imo unless you seriously believe Steve Avery and his high IQ of 70 can clean up forensic evidence like Dexter Morgan...

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I haven't watched episode 10 yet but this show is incredible

I won't go crazy into details or theories... And I definitely can't say with 100% certainty he did or didn't do it...

But there's so much fukkery with Lenk and colburn that it's obvious something wasn't right... Colburn found the car two days previous to anyone else, probably had a part to do with stashing it... And lenk clearly planted the key and the bullet... Also it was clear that something happened with his blood vile

Wasn't her throat slit while she was on the bed? How could there be absolutely no blood or dna

Lastly, you can't act like these two are genius killers erasing all the evidence but ignore the fact that they had the absolute easiest way to destroy the car with the crusher and that avery could not do everything he did to hide the evidence if he did it but then leave the key

That first lawyer for Brendan deserves to go to hell

I would love for the truth to come out, I doubt it ever will unfortunately
 

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finally did it :to:

I won't go crazy into details or theories... And I definitely can't say with 100% certainty he did or didn't do it...

But there's so much fukkery with Lenk and colburn that it's obvious something wasn't right...
I think that's where 99% of us are. All we know is there's way too much reasonable doubt to convict
 

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I just wonder what the hell was going through brendan's head when he said those things. If he didn't do those things then what did he think he was going to happen by telling them what they wanted to hear, I mean he could've snitched on Steve without saying that he was involved. I mean he could've just said I saw steve kill her and I ran away and hid in my room because I was scared or some bullshyt

God damn reading your posts in here is getting me heated.

Brendan is RETARDED bro. He clearly has no idea whats going on.

"Can I get back to school by 6hth period"?

I swear you cacs do whatever it takes to demonize other people.
 
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lol It's obvious that a couple people in this thread would have made terrible jurors as well. You can't ask "why?" and throw about logic when it comes to someone who is mentally disabled. If you've ever been around someone like Brenden (and I've worked with special Ed students before) it is extremely difficult to tell when they are lying or telling the truth, their story changes as they think you want it to change. Whatever you say to them shapes the story they tell. They just want to make you proud or make you leave them alone.

I'm not saying you cannot obtain valuable information but in the videos we've seen, he was obviously being led in a direction where he was guessing the answers they wanted so he could go home or back to class.
 

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God damn reading your posts in here is getting me heated.

Brendan is RETARDED bro. He clearly has no idea whats going on.

"Can I get back to school by 6hth period"?

I swear you cacs do whatever it takes to demonize other people.
Breh I posted that at like 5am it's just hard for me to see it from a retarded persons perspective, I was insensitive
 

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Breh I posted that at like 5am it's just hard for me to see it from a retarded persons perspective, I was insensitive

Yea my bad, this shyt relly gets me in my feelings. Every time another person brings it up I end up in tears.

This shyt is fukked, especially how the narrative is all focused on Stephen, when the two things I took away are:

  • They killed a 16 year old retarded kid (thats what life in prison means) to convict someone else, repeatedly questioning him with non parents or lawyer. Just think of it from a rational perspective, there is absolutely no reason to say anything but "lawyer" and "yes/no (sir :mjpls:)" to the cops. They cnt get you a better deal.
  • Evidence was clearly tampered with. Based on the facts presented in /out the doc, I cant say what Stephen did or didnt do. He was def a creep ad damaged goods.]
This shyt is the definition of deeper than rap. The lives of the poor are expendable.
 
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