Netflix might have one: Making a Murderer (Dec 18th)

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That could have been Steve and there is substantial evidence to support that theory...

The documentary for some reason left out the fact Steve made several phone calls to Teresa and two of those calls used *67 to hide his number...He also used his sisters name when he specifically requested Teresa show up for the pictures...

This is very suspect IMO and a big part of the reason I don't believe Steve is as innocent as he claims to be...
He used his sisters name because the vehicle was titled in her name. Of course, you can speculate he was being deceptive, but you can also reasonably conclude he gave her name because it was simply her car.

The *67 calls is speculation being made by the prosecution, meaning that they're deducing the conclusion that he was using *67 to hide his identity solely from Tersea. However, it is hard to determine that is the case without an overview of Avery phone call habits around that time period.
 
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He used his sisters name because the vehicle was titled in her name. Of course, you can speculate he was being deceptive, but you can also reasonably conclude he gave her name because it was simply her car.

The *67 calls is speculation being made by the prosecution, meaning that they're deducing the conclusion that he was using *67 to hide his identity solely from Tersea. However, it is hard to determine that is the case without a overview of Avery phone call habits around that time period.
You're probably right breh...

This is why I said even though I'm not convinced of his innocence I would have voted not guilty...There is an abundance of reasonable doubt here...
 
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That scene in episode 3 i think where her ex boyfriend is talking and his friend (i think) is next to him...looked very suspicious to me! Almost like they were both lying about the answers they were giving the reporter.!
 

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Things like this I found sad. How can the prosecution and judge take this kid's confession seriously and admit some of his wiretaps and video confessions but overlook the fact he's more worried about attending 6th period and wrestling over a life sentence?

Cops and prosecutors in real life dont give a fukk about doing the "right" thing breh. That shyt's for Law and Order. They got no issue putting away a metally retarted kid just to put the case to bed early and avoid doing some extra work.
 

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Cops and prosecutors in real life dont give a fukk about doing the "right" thing breh. That shyt's for Law and Order. They got no issue putting away a metally retarted kid just to put the case to bed early and avoid doing some extra work.
Detectives get bonuses and promotions from convictions...

They don't give a fukk about the truth...

They just want to build a strong case to get that conviction...
 
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I love reading about this shyt and getting people's perspective. :wow:

A couple other thoughts I've had.


*I think most people are influenced by this documentary in a way that is rather subconscious. What I mean is that they think because they're watching something that doesn't have a narrator that they are experiencing something that is wholly objective. While this documentary lacks the aforementioned, it lets the editing speak for it. The editing is the narrator. This documentary basically casts anyone that isn't pro-Steve Avery as vindictive, a dikk, or both. Steve ran his own cousin off the road and approached her vehicle with firearm telling her to get out of the car, and it makes her seems like she was somehow out to get Steve. It even makes a grieving Mike Halbach look like a camera hogging dikk by always deliberately showing him walk up to the waiting cameras fielding questions, and showing him speak negatively about Steve and Co. by using him as prop after something happened or played out in court that should have been a harbinger of Steve's innocence. It makes Len look incompetent by asking stuff like is the camera rolling and can we start over? Now, I'd argue objectively Len was wack, but that doesn't mean that the filmmakers aren't reinforcing that into your head as well by the medium of editing. It's a lot of little stuff like that over 10 hours that creates this subconscious dynamic.


*Strang and Buting are exceptional lawyers, but they're still paid professionals. One of the first things that Strang says after the verdict is that he's upset that he lost a case. He said that before he even mentioned anything about his client going to the big house. It always struck me, because it's indicative that Strang, while great, isn't some fully altruistic human being. He's as self-interested and motivated by his interests as we all are.


* I'm not even talking about the court of law because I think most people agree that Steve should have been found not guilty. That be damned, I'm talking about do I ultimately think Steve did kill Teresa or not? I do, as I've said on here. And I've been thinking about why I believe that to be so. There are really two reasons -- one being more practical and one being more philosophical/social. They are slightly intertwined, but I digress. If you look at the timeline, the sole person with the free time that day to burn a body, make sure the fire blazed hot enough to essentially cremate a body, potentially move it from one location to another is exclusively Steve. He's the only person that is home all day on the Avery property in that proximity. I do think somethings were planted to bolster the case for the state (e.g., the key and potentially the fragment), but I think who ever actually killed her attempted to dispose of the body as well. My more philosophical point is that if I am to believe that someone else killed her, brought the body to the Avery property and skulked about unnoticed with a living and dead woman in tow at some point, goes undetected and this so just happens to be a time when Steve Avery decides he needs to clean his garage with bleach (and I think we can all agree the Avery's aren't going to be confused a OCD's sufferers anytime soon) you get into the problem that most conspiracies have. Eventually, you reach some threshold where the conspirators become omniscient, prescient, inhumanely clever human beings. And we know from our own experiences that we are not that clever and damn sure are not all-knowing individually or collectively.



The threshold for me is normally the "little" things that in our everyday experience we don't account for. When you start thinking about the totality of it and all it being mere coincidence -- then I think you've crossed that barrier.



How could a killer know that Steve would be cleaning his garage with bleach late that night? How could they know to plant Steve's sweat DNA on the latch of her hood before it's even mentioned by anyone that he unhooked her battery? How could they know Steve was going to be burning tires that night? Tires are a great accelerator as far as fires. This makes Steve look guiltier. How could a person know a priori that he'd do that? You can say well, "Maybe he always burns tires?" Then you're getting into what I said about unaccounted things in our everyday life, and dismissing it all as just mere coincidence. Things that no intelligent person could say were going to happen with any certainty unless they were psychic, omniscient, and prescient. And the thing is, you can do that. You can explain it all as mere coincidence, but is it reasonable? I think the odds are overwhelming that Steve actually did kill her. We'll never know what really happened that day, though.
 
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I love reading about this shyt and getting people's perspective. :wow:

A couple other thoughts I've had.






* I'm not even talking about the court of law because I think most people agree that Steve should have been found not guilty. That be damned, I'm talking about do I ultimately think Steve did kill Teresa or not? I do, as I've said on here. And I've been thinking about why I believe that to be so. There are really two reasons -- one being more practical and one being more philosophical/social. They are slightly intertwined, but I digress. If you look at the timeline, the sole person with the free time that day to burn a body, make sure the fire blazed hot enough to essentially cremate a body, potentially move it from one location to another is exclusively Steve. He's the only person that is home all day on the Avery property in that proximity. I do think somethings were planted to bolster the case for the state (e.g., the key and potentially the fragment), but I think who ever actually killed her attempted to dispose of the body as well. My more philosophical point is that if I am to believe that someone else killed her, brought the body to the Avery property and skulked about unnoticed with a living and dead woman in tow at some point, goes undetected and this so just happens to be a time when Steve Avery decides he needs to clean his garage with bleach (and I think we can all agree the Avery's aren't going to be confused a OCD's sufferers anytime soon) you get into the problem that most conspiracies have. Eventually, you reach some threshold where the conspirators become omniscient, prescient, inhumanely clever human beings. And we know from our own experiences that we are not that clever and damn sure are not all-knowing individually or collectively.







How could a killer know that Steve would be cleaning his garage with bleach late that night? How could they know to plant Steve's sweat DNA on the latch of her hood before it's even mentioned by anyone that he unhooked her battery? How could they know Steve was going to be burning tires that night? Tires are a great accelerator as far as fires. This makes Steve look guiltier. How could a person know a priori that he'd do that? You can say well, "Maybe he always burns tires?" Then you're getting into what I said about unaccounted things in our everyday life, and dismissing it all are just mere coincidence. Things that no intelligent person could say were going to happen with any certainty unless they were psychic, omniscient, and prescient. And the thing is, you can do that. You can explain it all as mere coincidence, but is it reasonable? I think the odds are overwhelming that Steve actually did kill her. We'll never know what really happened that day, though.

It is funny that you say coincidence, because ol'boy gets his case settled for he first time he was put in jail, expecting a 36 million dollar pay out, but literally the day after he gets pinned for this case. They supposedly raped her in the bed, where is the DNA evidence? They killed her in the garage, where is the blood splatter on the walls. Ol'boy and Brandon was having a bon fire that night. The crime scene was so fukked up they didn't know how exactly she was placed in that bon fire or when.

Do you think it is coincidence that her car was found so easily on the property?
 

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Read this shyt brehs :francis::scust::what:

Jon's Jail Journal (by Shaun Attwood): Making a Murderer Update 4 - Another Suspect

Making a Murderer Update 4 - Another Suspect

This has been brought to my attention by several readers. The original source is Brian McCorkle. There is a discussion here.

While the Search for Teresa Halbach was underway in November 2005, another series of events was beginning in Bonduel, Wisconsin.

A woman was moving from Bonduel, Wisconsin to Maribel. She had rented a house with the lease to start on 1 November, 2005. The house was on a property that included several outbuildings.

In Bonduel, her husband had exhibited bizarre behavior such as sleeping in their attic and sleeping in a fetal position.

She discovered that the labels had been cut from her clothing, and then her underwear was missing. Her husband denied any knowledge. During the week, he said he burned something at their new address and said it was a doll crib. There was a doll crib at the Maribel address, however, it was not burnt, however.

During the marriage, the citizen found that her husband had attempted to burn himself in the past. He also had previously burnt her clothing. He was diagnosed with personality disorder, narcissistic disorder, depressive disorder, and psychosis, but he refused to take medication.

She found that on 31 October, 2005, he visited the Maribel area and had stopped at the rental before the lease began. He spoke of visiting an auto salvage yard. He commented that a woman wanted to take pictures of the rental property on 31 October while he was there, and he felt that the photographer was “stupid.”

During the week, she observed that her husband had scratches on his back and a cut finger that bled intermittently. She was beginning the move while working in Green Bay.

She found her underwear stuffed in an attic closet at the Bonduel home. She also noted a boombox along with cans of Cherry Pepsi Cola near the steps of the Maribel home. Her underwear disappeared again.

On the 5 of November, when they stopped for lunch in the Maribel area, the husband saw a missing person poster for Halbach and stated dogmatically, “She’s dead.”

The following evening, her husband’s behavior turned worse. He refused to allow her into the Maribel rental. The citizen contacted the Manitowoc County Sheriff’s department, and he was arrested on 6 November, 2005. He was charged with disorderly conduct and resisting an officer.

When she returned to the Bonduel home to continue the move, she checked the attic cupboard again for her missing underwear. Instead, she found a pair of yellow lace panties than were not hers. They were about her size and had stains consistent with menstruation. She placed the panties in a plastic bag to ask her husband about them.

About 10 November, 2005 she looked through the outbuildings in Maribel for her missing clothing. She found some of her clothing cut into pieces. She also discovered a can of lighter fluid with a bloody fingerprint.

Unbeknownst to the citizen, her husband had been placed in two separate psychiatric care facilities during his custody. He was released to an outside address in January, 2006. Court records show that address as Glen’s Bar and Grill in Manitowoc. The County did not notify the woman that her husband was free and in the community.

Between November and the end of the year, a few odd things happened. Two explicit adult magazines were placed on the property. Also, her dogs found relatively fresh bones somewhere on the property. She discarded the bones.

While attempting to distract the dogs from the bones, the citizen dropped her husband’s tool chest in one of the outbuildings. A masons’ hammer and a pair of surgical gloves fell from the chest. The hammer had visible dark red flecks.

In January, she noticed a person staring at her home from the gas station/truck stop across the road. She then discovered that her husband had been released as well as his address. When she parked in the parking lot of the bar and grill, he approached her car and insisted that she take him to the Maribel residence and began searching the house. During the search, he struck her. She called the Sheriff’s Department, and her husband was rearrested.

The new charges were burglary, intimidation of a witness, criminal trespass, resisting an officer, and bail jumping.

One night she noted a second floor balcony door was open. She entered the home and secured the door. After that she discovered an opened closet at the base of the stairs with a pair of women’s jeans, a top, and a pillowcase stained with red stains.

She contacted the sheriff’s department. When a deputy arrived, the citizen explained her findings and wondered if the clothing were connected with the Halbach case. She then discussed the other incidents with the deputy. The deputy stated that she believed the Halbach clothing had been recovered! She collected one magazine and the yellow panties.

If the Halbach clothing had been recovered, it was not information that was released at or after the trial of Steven Avery. If not, then the deputy was fabricating.

The citizen was contacted by Manitowoc County Detective Dennis Jacobs. Jacobs is the child sex investigator for Manitowoc County. He insisted that the panties were from a child despite the staining and size. He wanted the citizen to accuse her husband of pedophilia. He also volunteered that authorities had their suspect in the Halbach case.

She told Detective Jacobs of the cut clothing and a previous incident when her husband had burnt her clothing. His response was that was not a crime.

The woman left Wisconsin for a job in Oregon. On 2 March, 2006 the Manitowoc County prosecutor dismissed the charges of burglary and intimidation against the husband. Charges of disorderly conduct, criminal trespass, and bail jumping were also dismissed. He pleaded no contest to the two resisting officer charges and was sentenced to time served.

She believes that the victim services office in Manitowoc County provided her husband with her new address. He was at her door soon after his release.

She considered the events of the week of 31 October, 2005, and her husband’s behaviors and injuries. The citizen believes that there may be a connection with the Halbach disappearance. When she asked her husband about any possible connection, he simply laughed and said no one would believe her if she reported her suspicions.

But, she had developed a distrust of Manitowoc County law enforcement. Her husband was probably correct that the Wisconsin authorities could not accept the concept that someone else did the crime.


its about to get spooky.

Please consider this only as a theory with a very critical eye and please do let me know your thoughts. However, DO NOT USE ANY OF THIS INFORMATION TO HARASS OR BADGER ANYONE INVOLVED!! I've put this together because the logical question that would need to be answered if SA is indeed innocent is "if not SA, then who?" I'm not certain of SA's innocence, but I feel that TH's family deserves a better answer than what was presented at trial.

Big ups to--------- for finding the court records to corroborate some facts in http://www.convolutedbrian.com/an-alternative.html and -------- for reaching out to the citizen.

I've gone ahead and pulled together some additional info to support an alternate theory of the crime. It fits fairly well with the facts that were presented during the trial, but relies heavily on the claims that "the citizen" from Brian's blog post makes. However, if they are true, they present a plausible version of events that makes every bit as much sense as the nonsense to which Brendan Dassey "confessed".

Facts and less disputed evidence from trial:

  • Manitowoc County was on the hook for $36 million if they were found liable in SA's civil suit because insurers were balking on payment given the alleged misconduct of the DA and sheriff's office

  • On November 2nd, a third party deleted voice messages from TH's voicemail

  • On November 3rd, a sheriff's deputy calls in TH's plates with a vehicle description

  • TH was killed and her body burned between 10/31 and 11/5

  • TH's Rav 4 was found on SA's lot 11/5

  • TH's remains were found in two or three piles, two relatively close to SA's trailer and another roughly 2,000 ft SW of the pit in the quarry though it’s unclear that they certainly belonged to TH

  • TH's skull had what appeared to the forensic examiner to be 2 .22 bullet holes
Discussion of an alternative story

I have heard from "the citizen" in Brian's blog story, and she claims that she was his original source. I have no reason to believe or disbelieve her, but I am confident that she is the person listed in the court documents that -----------found. I will be sure to call out what I've corroborated separately (like this) from now on. She provides the following version of events somewhat consistent with what she told Brian (I can discuss privately why I’m confident this person is indeed the citizen):

The week of October 31st 2005, the citizen’s husband at the time, now ex-, "the husband", was acting strangely, cutting the tags from her clothing and cutting her clothing apart. Their relationship became strained so she rented a place in Maribel, WI to separate. The property is about 5 miles from Avery Auto Salvage, and is located along the route Teresa would have taken to get home to St. John from SA's (I've verified that court docs for the citizen did list a location along this route):

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Ave...bf9e76f0e9dead!2m2!1d-88.2035057!2d44.1686252

On the 6th, the husband was taken into custody after a dispute with the citizen after his behavior became increasingly erratic (verified with court documents). The citizen shared that after that time, her dogs kept finding bones that the citizen believed to be human, as well as a pair of underwear, and a tool kit with a mason hammer with flicks of blood on it (in a police report filed after a complaint was made by the citizen). The underwear and tools were turned into the police (acknowledged in what looks like a genuine police report by the officer recording her complaint).

Her theory is that TH was drawn to the property because it had a "for rent" sign on it and stopped for more information, perhaps to photograph the property (the property's tax assessment lists a third party owner as of 2013 -- it appears to indeed be a rental property). The husband then killed TH by strangulation and with the mason hammer, put her body in the Rav 4, and parked the Rav 4 in the barn before burning her body on November 2nd.

The husband was held after his arrest on November 6th until January, at which point he was released (confirmed with court documents), then re-arrested almost immediately after getting into another dispute with the citizen. His next release was on March 2nd, the day after Brandon Dassey's confession when Dassey was first arrested with the stipulation that he check in with the Sheriff's office daily (again all confirmed this with court documents). According to the citizen, the husband was held in psychiatric facilities during some of his stay with the county.

What is not articulated above, but not difficult to guess, is how the Rav 4 and remains got onto SA's property.

A relatively simple hypothesis: the plate query on the 3rd resulted when the sheriff's deputy found the Rav 4 along with the remains of TH's body. One or more officers worked on moving the car to SA's lot before the 5th and relocated TH's remains to their final location.

The key was found later than the blood in the Rav 4 because the police had access to the Rav 4 earlier than SA's trailer because they had the Rav 4 before it was found, and so the blood was present before the key was found. The bullet was tampered with as the defense claims.

Interesting developments after the husband’s release: both the citizen and the husband moved to Oregon (they appear in an Oregon newspaper), but according to the citizen, the husband was deported in 2009. At that point, the citizen moves back to Wisconsin and starts digging around to find out what happened and why the husband wasn’t arrested, etc. During this time, she gets in touch with convoluted Brian, and Brian posts her story to his blog. Shortly after Brian posts his blog on June 23rd, the out-building(s) in which the Rav 4 was allegedly hidden, and where the murder allegedly took place, were burned down. (I couldn’t confirm they were burned down, but if you find the address, check out the street view vs. the aerial view. The street view date is October 2008 and the out buildings are still there, and aerial from 2015 doesn’t show them…super creepy; EDIT: Confirmed with a print-out of an online news write-up and a website that compiles info on fires in which animals are killed).

The citizen begins having trouble with local law enforcement, culminating in her arrest for animal cruelty in 2013. She currently has a warrant out for her arrest by the Manitowoc Sheriff's department (both verified with court documents), though she since moved out of state. The citizen also produced links to Facebook profiles for the husband. Looks like he's living abroad still, though not in his native country.

A caveat to all: this whole story is about the citizen's now ex-husband. I wouldn't accuse an ex of killing somebody no matter how it ended, but I'm not the citizen, so certainly consider the alternative story of the crime with a grain of salt. That being said, everything she does say seems to check out generally and the husband, if she is telling the truth, could be the answer to “if not SA, then who?”

Also, a couple of questions I haven’t seen elsewhere:

  • Where were the rest of TH’s keys? Who goes out with only a car key?

  • I found a source that says that cremation requires 90 minutes at 1600 - 1800 C, but an outdoor fire would surely be cooler. TH’s body would have needed much longer than the 7-9 time frame given by the DA no?
 

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I love reading about this shyt and getting people's perspective. :wow:

A couple other thoughts I've had.


*I think most people are influenced by this documentary in a way that is rather subconscious. What I mean is that they think because they're watching something that doesn't have a narrator that they are experiencing something that is wholly objective. While this documentary lacks the aforementioned, it lets the editing speak for it. The editing is the narrator. This documentary basically casts anyone that isn't pro-Steve Avery as vindictive, a dikk, or both. Steve ran his own cousin off the road and approached her vehicle with firearm telling her to get out of the car, and it makes her seems like she was somehow out to get Steve. It even makes a grieving Mike Halbach look like a camera hogging dikk by always deliberately showing him walk up to the waiting cameras fielding questions, and showing him speak negatively about Steve and Co. by using him as prop after something happened or played out in court that should have been a harbinger of Steve's innocence. It makes Len look incompetent by asking stuff like is the camera rolling and can we start over? Now, I'd argue objectively Len was wack, but that doesn't mean that the filmmakers aren't reinforcing that into your head as well by the medium of editing. It's a lot of little stuff like that over 10 hours that creates this subconscious dynamic.


*Strang and Buting are exceptional lawyers, but they're still paid professionals. One of the first things that Strang says after the verdict is that he's upset that he lost a case. He said that before he even mentioned anything about his client going to the big house. It always struck me, because it's indicative that Strang, while great, isn't some fully altruistic human being. He's as self-interested and motivated by his interests as we all are.


* I'm not even talking about the court of law because I think most people agree that Steve should have been found not guilty. That be damned, I'm talking about do I ultimately think Steve did kill Teresa or not? I do, as I've said on here. And I've been thinking about why I believe that to be so. There are really two reasons -- one being more practical and one being more philosophical/social. They are slightly intertwined, but I digress. If you look at the timeline, the sole person with the free time that day to burn a body, make sure the fire blazed hot enough to essentially cremate a body, potentially move it from one location to another is exclusively Steve. He's the only person that is home all day on the Avery property in that proximity. I do think somethings were planted to bolster the case for the state (e.g., the key and potentially the fragment), but I think who ever actually killed her attempted to dispose of the body as well. My more philosophical point is that if I am to believe that someone else killed her, brought the body to the Avery property and skulked about unnoticed with a living and dead woman in tow at some point, goes undetected and this so just happens to be a time when Steve Avery decides he needs to clean his garage with bleach (and I think we can all agree the Avery's aren't going to be confused a OCD's sufferers anytime soon) you get into the problem that most conspiracies have. Eventually, you reach some threshold where the conspirators become omniscient, prescient, inhumanely clever human beings. And we know from our own experiences that we are not that clever and damn sure are not all-knowing individually or collectively.



The threshold for me is normally the "little" things that in our everyday experience we don't account for. When you start thinking about the totality of it and all it being mere coincidence -- then I think you've crossed that barrier.



How could a killer know that Steve would be cleaning his garage with bleach late that night? How could they know to plant Steve's sweat DNA on the latch of her hood before it's even mentioned by anyone that he unhooked her battery? How could they know Steve was going to be burning tires that night? Tires are a great accelerator as far as fires. This makes Steve look guiltier. How could a person know a priori that he'd do that? You can say well, "Maybe he always burns tires?" Then you're getting into what I said about unaccounted things in our everyday life, and dismissing it all are just mere coincidence. Things that no intelligent person could say were going to happen with any certainty unless they were psychic, omniscient, and prescient. And the thing is, you can do that. You can explain it all as mere coincidence, but is it reasonable? I think the odds are overwhelming that Steve actually did kill her. We'll never know what really happened that day, though.
well thought out theory breh....:ehh:

But...

You're dead wrong about Steven being the only person with time to burn a body on that day...Bobby Dassey and Scott Tadych both had time on their hands to commit this murder out in the quarry...Scott claimed he didn't go to work that day so he can visit his mother...He was home around the same time Bobby and Brendan were and admitted to seeing Teresa...Bobby's alibi is that Scott saw him at around 4pm...but that doesn't mean either one of them (or both) couldn't have ambushed Teresa up the road after she was done with Steve...

As far as the bleach is concerned I don't believe it was proven as fact the garage was bleached that night and Dean Strand said deer blood was all over the garage...I believe the whole bleach story was something Brendan said and as we know he made up a lot of shyt...Like raping and killing Teresa three times...slit her throat, strangled her and shot her 11 times...That's a lot of blood to bleach out breh and they didn't find a single strand of evidence in Steves trailer and garage where Brendan said these events took place (the contaminated bullet doesn't count for obvious reasons)...So it's hard for me to believe two inbred hicks with a combined IQ of 130 are on Dexter Morgans forensic game...These dumb fukks would probably end up suffocating themselves trying to setup a kill room...

That said I don't believe in Steve's innocence...I'm 50/50 on him and that's because they botched the investigation...The only thing I'm pretty sure of is the only part Brendan may have had in this crime is assist with the body...That kid did not rape or kill anybody....
 
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Yall are droppin some ill theories. Reddit can be shortsighted majority of the time, but those got me thinking. That post that @klutch2381 referenced echoed the shyt I said a few pages back, the documentary is skewed Avery heavily. It's making us vilify the victim's family, which is kinda unfair.
 

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It is funny that you say coincidence, because ol'boy gets his case settled for he first time he was put in jail, expecting a 36 million dollar pay out, but literally the day after he gets pinned for this case. They supposedly raped her in the bed, where is the DNA evidence? They killed her in the garage, where is the blood splatter on the walls. Ol'boy and Brandon was having a bon fire that night. The crime scene was so fukked up they didn't know how exactly she was placed in that bon fire or when.

Do you think it is coincidence that her car was found so easily on the property?

He wasn't "expecting" 36 million. I'm trying to get you brehs to think objectively. Actually, he sought 36 million in damages. There's a huge difference between the two. No one can say what he actually would've gotten or settled for if the TH incident didn't happen, definitively. No one can say he had 36 million coming his way. Yet, the doc positions it like dude is just days away from getting 36 million, or like he just has to go down and sign for his check on some NFL signing bonus shyt; but that was not the case. The documentary positions it like that for obvious reasons. It's simply more compelling.
 
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