Netflix might have one: Making a Murderer (Dec 18th)

[CJ]

Been a few weeks since finishing it, still find myself reading up on this every day. Had to check back into the thread.

Strang and Buting were seriously those dudes. God damn all-star duo/tag team champs right there . Being in the field myself, was incredible to watch them put in work, Strang especially. You know those crooked cops were shook the entire time.

And they clearly killed it if the Jurors initially had a 9-3 vote going. Would pay anything to see what the fukk happened in deliberation that caused it to swing all the way back around. At first I couldn't understand how relatives of the Sherriff's department could be selected as Jurors but after hearing Strang's explanation on his Facebook Q&A, I get it (didn't know you only had a certain amount of people you could strike out.) Can only imagine the folks they had to remove instead.

Part that still really gets to me is the license plate scene. I just can't fathom how that wasn't a bigger deal and not a bigger eye opener. Love the editing in that scene though... Strang giving him the , the bass getting ready to boom when they do the playback as he gets caught in the lie.

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

Would the theory be that it was coincidence or a conspiracy that the same women they used to frame him, was at his property the last day she was seen alive, and a women who was previously known to Steven Avery? In other words the perfect victim. Right there is a coincidence and a suspension of disbelief I cannot support..

Why is it so hard to believe the sherrifs department found the perfect opportunity to frame Avery with the disappearance of a woman he knew?

She went missing and the sherrifs department found her...We know they found her before the search party because that dumbass Colburn called in the plates and vehicle model...

And again bruh think logically for a minute...they live in a salvage yard...stripping down and disposing of vehicles is what they do for a living...Why in the fukk would they hide the vehicle of a woman they supposedly murdererd behind some branches in their own yard?

They own a crusher...why wouldn't they use that??????? They're savy enough to cleanup all physical evidence in multiple crime scenes but can't dispose of the vehicle? You don't find that vehicle being placed where it was found suspect as fukk especially after Colburns testimony?

 

[Notorious 1 E.Y.E.]

I need to watch the remaining 7 episodes or so, if I aim going to discuss and debate this case, online and off, as it well be conversation material for awhile.....however, having only watched a few episodes and read a lot of background on Avery and the Hlaboch case, here is what I think

1. I can believe, almost with no doubt that Avery was railroaded the first time, and the Sherrifs Department was perfectly capable of how that transpired.

2. I can believe that the Halboc murder investigation had some issues, regarding evidence, and chain of custody, possibility of planting or manipulating evidence. Also, that the trial may have had many errors on the prosecutions side, and LEGALLY Avery may have easily been declared not guilty.

3. I cannot believe that the Sherrifs department murdered a women, or planted her car in Avery's salvage yard to dismiss his lawsuit and get him sent to prison again. I cannot believe that a multi jurisdictional law enforcement task force conspired against Steven Avery. I cannot believe that the same women whom Aver interacted with, called the day of her murder, allegedly harrassed, turned up dead in his salvage yard and it's a set up.

I am willing to believe that others may have commited the murder or it was done in a group way, but there is no way I can believe Avery had NOTHING to do with her death. I would challenge the believers to come up with a plausible theory that explains all this....

Nobody believes the sheriff's department killed her. Go watch the rest of the series.

 

[Notorious 1 E.Y.E.]

Would the theory be that it was coincidence or a conspiracy that the same women they used to frame him, was at his property the last day she was seen alive, and a women who was previously known to Steven Avery? In other words the perfect victim. Right there is a coincidence and a suspension of disbelief I cannot support..

Dude all these questions are answered in the series

EVERYONE knew she was there

 

[Konnan]

They are going for that Paradise Lost luck to get them free'd but the only reason that worked for those guys is because they had major stars going to bat for them and put up money

 

[re'up]

How would they know they knew each other? You believe it's a coincidence that he had discussed a torture chamber for women in prison, he called her that day, and had poured gasoline on a cat, and threw it into a fire? Cruelty to animals as a child is something that is found in almost EVERY lust murderer/sadistic rapist/serial killer.

Now, as pertaining to Brendan Dassey, have you read the full transcript, and are aware he claimed to his mother Steven Avery had molested him?

As far as your point about the salvage yard, who knows why it went down like that? I would guess some combination of circumstances led to them not doing it, either planning to ditch the car elsewhere, or planning to destroy it onsite at a later date.

Edit: I am not debating that everyone knew she was there, that was covered in episode 3, I believe....What I am questioning is the fact that it was a coincidence, that the perfect victim fell into their lap, ( acquianted with Avery, on his property) and that she wasn't murdered by the guy who fits the profile to a TEE, but by someone else, and the police capitalized on that opportunity? To me, it's too many hoops to jump through. It's not plausible.

 

[Notorious 1 E.Y.E.]

I cant get over the fact her key had none of her DNA. I don't see it discussed much and I didn't see it discussed in the court room. This key had to have been with her for a while and no DNA doesn't add up.

For real

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

How would they know they knew each other? You believe it's a coincidence that he had discussed a torture chamber for women in prison, he called her that day, and had poured gasoline on a cat, and threw it into a fire? Cruelty to animals as a child is something that is found in almost EVERY lust murderer/sadistic rapist/serial killer.

Now, as pertaining to Brendan Dassey, have you read the full transcript, and are aware he claimed to his mother Steven Avery had molested him?

As far as your point about the salvage yard, who knows why it went down like that? I would guess some combination of circumstances led to them not doing it, either planning to ditch the car elsewhere, or planning to destroy it onsite at a later date.

Edit: I am not debating that everyone knew she was there, that was covered in episode 3, I believe....What I am questioning is the fact that it was a coincidence, that the perfect victim fell into their lap, ( acquianted with Avery, on his property) and that she wasn't murdered by the guy who fits the profile to a TEE, but by someone else, and the police capitalized on that opportunity? To me, it's too many hoops to jump through. It's not plausible.

So your opinion is based on character and not the evidence in the case?

The FACT the physical evidence in this case in no way shape or form supports the prosecutions story of events is completely irrelevant to you because Avery 20 years before this murder burned a cat and drew a picture in prison?

Really bruh?

And why would they ditch the car and not crush it? If you ditch it that means you need to scrub it down...You not only run the risk of it being found but also DNA evidence left behind...

Have you ever seen what happens to a car when you crush it?

 

[Sly Cookin]

Re'up did a little too much reading before watching. That torcher chamber discussion isn't even proven. Katz is making those claims because of how he was portrayed in the doc. Now Katz is claiming his DNA is on the hood of the car. OK well where the hell is his finger prints on the hood?

 

[FaTaL]

Have you ever seen what happens to a car when you crush it?

nothing about this case makes sense

avery was weeks away from getting maybe millions and this happens

i still dont care about avery, the youngster got fuked wtih no vaseline in every orifice by everybody

couldnt the jury see that he was mentally slow and easily convinced to follow the cops story?

 

[DrHackenbush]

Man what those police did was some chess move type shyt

Yeah they could have just killed Avery, but with the case against them around the corner it would have been too suspicious..plus the case would have gone ahead and his next of kin would have scooped up the compensation money

But by framing him on a murder beef, they knew he would have to pay for an expensive lawyer so he had to take the 400k and by doing so, he would have to drop the case against the police department.
They knew his lawyers would end up taking most of that, so he'd end up with hardly any dough.
Worst case scenario for them, he gets off but doesn't collect anywhere near the money he was owed..best case he goes down and ends up broke

 

[loyola llothta]

This show got alot press

 

[LinusCaldwell]

Just finished the season both these nikkas cases according to this doc

 

[TheAlbionist]

Just finished.

 

[TEKBEATZ]

Stevens mom is a trooper