Xtraz2
Superstar
Foh that era was trash, it’s better now
Nelly says his Era of rap was the toughest : “When I put out songs, I Had To go Against DMX, JAY-Z, Eminem, Lil Wayne, 50 Cent, Luda."
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That era was always considered weaker but compared to what we have now
. This era is about to surpass the mid 2000’s as the worst rap era of all time. It might have done that already if we are being honest
Xtraz2
Superstar
This era right now is wack, a few years ago I would take it over the 2000s easily
but at this point it’s pathetic
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
It's wack right now, but wack compared to the great years.
But 2000-2003 was the wackest era in music EVER!! For ALL genres. Especially Hip Hop. Music is trash right now, but I still don’t think anything tops 2000-2003. This sh*t was ridiculous back then. Horrible horrible era.
Mainstream is the mainstream that will always eb and flow. All you gotta do is go look at what are considered the classic or great albums for that 3 year period and compare it to 2020-2023 and it’s really not even close. What makes it worse is that at least we kinda saw hope on the way with the early 2010s class starting to bubble during the later period. Who is that right now
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
Mainstream is the mainstream that will always eb and flow. All you gotta do is go look at what are considered the classic or great albums for that 3 year period and compare it to 2020-2023 and it’s really not even close. What makes it worse is that at least we kinda saw hope on the way with the early 2010s class starting to bubble during the later period. Who is that right now
Difference is, back then, there was an initiative by labels to make a certain kind of sound because radio was still a thing. So artists who didn't even sound radio-friendly in the 90's, were trying to fit in a model that was created in 2000. Radio was all about taking only sh*t that fit in that pocket. So you had people making the kind of music they say they regret today. It was really bad back then.
Today, the issue is more about the lack of substance and talent. No artist development. And everything sounding the same. The music is low quality, but for the people making it and loving it, they don’t know any better. Back in 2000-03, artists were consciously trying to do something that just wasn't working for them. But they knew better. And as far as Hip Hop is concerned, honestly, 50 dropping GRODT is what shifted things back to the roots of what Hip Hop should be. Because it was plastic as f*ck for a couple years before that. 2004 was pivotal because we started getting back to people having individuality again.
There aren't a lot of true new artists on major labels anymore. So today, you have to check for indie artists who are making really dope music. And there's a lot. But we're not going to see them pushed on a level of what we did back in the day. Today, you have to go and search for the good sh*t.
itsyoung!!
Veteran
he had 3 consectuctive #1 albums from 2000-2004
how you capping his run at 2003 then you say 2004 was a good year because it was a return to "real" hip hop and he drops a #1 and #2 album, along with a top 3 billboard single in 2004
you dont know what the fukk you are talking about, in here sounding like a KRS 1 dweeb ass fan
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
That Sweatsuit album was some bullsh*t, lol. Wasn't even a real album.
All of those songs were already out on his previous two joints, so they made a "compilation" of all of it and threw it on one project because the previous two underperformed. The run was over. Songs with Tim McGraw and all that was desperation to gain fans in other markets. Bro went from selling a diamond album, to barely being able to sell a million, in just a few years.
"Flap Your Wings" was a joke. Dude even had a track with Christina Aguilera and the joint couldn't even crack the Top 50. The hits were done for bro after 2003. Universal was able to get a few of his old fans to buy the album blindly in 2005, but it was just a bunch of old sh*t from other projects. That joint didn't even crack the Top 25. Which is why he almost got dropped from the label after that and didn't pop back up for another few years. And when he finally did, he couldn't even sell 250,000 copies. Dude only had a 3-4 year run. His commercial fall-off was mad fast. Because when the talent is limited, and the game gets back to real music, very few will last.
Splakavellie504
Superstar
I see you from NYC so i understand why you feel that way but for us southern brehs, that time was
. The music was about flossing, getting fly, and dancing and getting with the hoes. You had to be in the clubs, parties, and parking lots to understand.
itsyoung!!
Veteran
Humble yourself, you are a complete nobody to say this.
?? He had a song with Tim McGraw that went #3 in 2004 going into 2005, one of his biggest hits ever.
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
I see you from NYC so i understand why you feel that way but for us southern brehs, that time was
Nah, it's not that I'm from NYC, lol.
The music you're talking about is a mad small part of what was going on at the time. I f*cked with that. That was cool. I'm talking about the game as a whole, overall. A few of my favorite southern MC's made some of their best sh*t during that span. But as far as the whole game in all genres, it was trash city.
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
Bro, I was working at Universal. The album couldn't even hit a million copies back then. UMG shipped a million joints and they weren't selling. I mentioned the Tim McGraw song for a reason, lol. That ain't no damn Hip Hop. Dude went broke because he stopped selling records and owed UMG mad money from the advances they gave him. They were seizing his houses and sh*t. Because the music wasn't selling. So even when he was pairing up with big acts at that point, he was selling 9+ million records LESS than he did just 18 months before. Since when is this not falling off badly?
I get it. You like Nelly. That's fine. But I'm talking numbers and impact. It was over.
itsyoung!!
Veteran
fukk you talking about ? It sold 750k copies in its first week
now you just in here lying
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
fukk you talking about ? It sold 750k copies in its first week
More reading, less typing, bro.
I'm talking about Sweatsuit. I typed the name of the project. It couldn't even sell 500K. Which is why I mentioned it being a compilation. You're trying way too hard.
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
2000s was the beginning of the end for hip hop. It was all about club anthems and going social media viral that played a role in what was hot with hip hop.
All you have to do is look at versuz between the Lox and Dip Set to see the change. They're only a few years apart but came out of different universes. The Lox were forged from out of the mid-90s where getting a buzz on the streets eventually got you a deal and working the chitlin circuit to then play at venues like the Tunnel made you official. Dip Set has one good MC out of the entire crew and blossomed due to social media buzz. When they got on stage, we all saw the clear difference.
All you have to do is look at versuz between the Lox and Dip Set to see the change. They're only a few years apart but came out of different universes. The Lox were forged from out of the mid-90s where getting a buzz on the streets eventually got you a deal and working the chitlin circuit to then play at venues like the Tunnel made you official. Dip Set has one good MC out of the entire crew and blossomed due to social media buzz. When they got on stage, we all saw the clear difference.