NEGROPHOBIA: an indepth discussion.

[MischievousMonkey]

Could we focus on one target at a time?



Presumably the one that has its foot up 99% of black people's assss?




While arabs have an unusually large yoke on sahel Africans and Asians hold an unusual yoke on Malagasy africans, they are not responsible for most problems for black people globally.


It would suck if we took on that germanWW2 strategy of taking on everyone(on the planet) at once, and becoming vulnerable on all fronts.

I mean, how can we tackle slavery in Mauritania, Lybia, etc (only examples)... to this day and its anti-black extensions with white supremacy talk? When we know that Arab antagonistic anti-black culture is not born out of white supremacy but rather, probably, the Arab slave trade?

We can't.

Still a target that can't be ignored when it comes to the plight of Black people. Let's not give a pass to any. That's how the POC talk bites us in the back.

 

[CopiousX]

I mean, how can we tackle slavery in Mauritania, Lybia, etc... to this day and its anti-black extensions with white supremacy talk? When we know that Arab antagonistic anti-black culture is not born out of white supremacy but rather, probably, the Arab slave trade?

We can't.

Still a target that can't be ignored when it comes to the plight of Black people. Let's not give a pass to any. That's how the POC talk bites us in the back.

I hear you. From a moral perspective, I damn near break into tears thinking about Mauritania each New Years day. Especially because Dr. Ben, Dr.Clarke, etc were warning us about that since the 90s. Black folk are complicit as fck in letting that happen.





From a strategic standpoint, white society seems to have an intrinsic, liberal doctrine we can pander to. Its the only reason why marching and name-calling have any effect on them. I doubt that strategy would work on Arabs(orAsians) which come from a different philosophy.


Secondarily, by focusing on whiteSupremacy we could coerce white society to apply pressure on the middle East the way they did in the case of Saudi treatment of women.





Practically speaking, how do you see the conversation going with Arabs if we changed our terminology to negrophobia? What's the end game?

 

[ORDER_66]

They are literally afraid of our dark skin.

They are constantly conscious of light v dark.

Look at European culture, myth, law. It's always good v evil, light v dark, it's engrained in the sub-conscious.

This is a major part of it... In many cultures black or black skin is seen as evil

 

[MischievousMonkey]

I hear you. From a moral perspective, I damn near break into tears thinking about Mauritania each New Years day. Especially because Dr. Ben, Dr.Clarke, etc were warning us about that since the 90s. Black folk are complicit as fck in letting that happen.





From a strategic standpoint, white society seems to have an intrinsic, liberal doctrine we can pander to. Its the only reason why marching and name-calling have any effect on them. I doubt that strategy would work on Arabs(orAsians) which come from a different philosophy.


Secondarily, by focusing on whiteSupremacy we could coerce white society to apply pressure on the middle East the way they did in the case of Saudi treatment of women.





Practically speaking, how do you see the conversation going with Arabs if we changed our terminology to negrophobia? What's the end game?

In the case of Arabs, calling it negrophobia would allow us to point precisely the treatment of Black people in Arab societies from the Maghreb, to Egypt, Turkey, Lebanon and the Middle East. This situation clearly do not stem from White supremacy and the creation of the white race, even if it operates along similar racial lines.

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Same goes for Asia (last example in date being them throwing out Nigerians out of their homes in China and accusing them of having Covid, barring them from accessing utilities and malls, etc etc).

It would allow us to reframe the issue out of the trap of class-reductionism as well.

It also allows to dead the POC-alliance talk when disenfranchised communities that are not white harbor negrophobic cultures as well. We hear all the time on this forum about the anti-black culture of the Latinos, and the same thing happens in France for example, with Arabs although they are yet disenfranchised in similar ways when compared to the black population.

It's a much more comprehensive frame to understand anti-black racism that white supremacy imo.

 

[MischievousMonkey]

From a strategic standpoint, white society seems to have an intrinsic, liberal doctrine we can pander to. Its the only reason why marching and name-calling have any effect on them. I doubt that strategy would work on Arabs(orAsians) which come from a different philosophy.


Secondarily, by focusing on whiteSupremacy we could coerce white society to apply pressure on the middle East the way they did in the case of Saudi treatment of women.

Regarding this bit, I doubt white society can ever be brought to act in Black people's collective name to this point. I mean, look at the hassle that is reparations.

Practically speaking, how do you see the conversation going with Arabs if we changed our terminology to negrophobia? What's the end game?

Like I said in my previous post, first step is to open our eyes on the particular plight of Black people, not POC. It allows for specific intervention: for example, some African NGOs have put in work in regard to slavery in Mauritania (the NGO Urgences Pan-Africanistes comes to my mind), and they're very much aware of negrophobia and its presence in Arab cultures.

In the context of China's investment and growing presence on the continent, with the excesses we know of, opening up the talk to the issue of negrophobia appears to me as primordial.

 

[CopiousX]

This is a major part of it... In many cultures black or black skin is seen as evil

Honestly don't blame Eurpeans or Arabs for this.


Dr. Cheik Ante Diop theorized that the reason they demonized us in legend was because we held a dominating position when we first encountered them. Everybody from Spaniards, to Greeks, to Sumerians, to Eastern Europeans, to Assyrians, to biblical Hittites were originally funneled into North Africa as African slaves. Little bits of it remains in their culture, despite our reversed roles today. (ie. Spanish 3 kings parade, biblical hatred of Egypt, Quran belittling of Subsaharans, etc)



I imagine that being bound as a slave and hauled off to a foreign land would traumatized them as much as it traumatized Continental Africans centuries later.





As for Asians propper, since we had so little contact before swahilii trade routes, its mostly curiosity or admiration. They gained their recent animosity for us from cacs. Below is an excerpt from a 9th century Song dynasty poet Duan Chenshi,

The country of Bobali. .. [they] do not eat the five grains, they eat
only meat. They often prick a needle into the veins of the cattle they raise
and extract the blood, which they mix with milk and consume [eat] raw.
[They] do not wear clothes, except below the waist they use a sheepskin to
cover themselves. Their women are pure and proper. - Duan Chenshi

Bobali was an east African kingdom at the time.The custom above is still performed by Masaii and Sudanese nilotes today to make protein shakes. They ate meat because they are/always have been pastoral societies.

The above poet continues,

From ancient times, this country has never been subordinated to a
foreign country. In war [they] use elephant's tusks and ribs and wild
bull's horns as swords, and [they] wear armor and have bows and arrows
for their weapons. They have more than two hundred thousand foot
soldiers, and the Arabs frequently attack in the hope of defeating them. - Duan Chenshi

At worst we were just an oddity to them. The long dck stories somehow spread to the far east also, so from contemporary sources their women were pleasantly amused by black men. Don't have the source on me now, but i'll fish it out later.

 

[CopiousX]

Regarding this bit, I doubt white society can ever be brought to act in Black people's collective name to this point. I mean, look at the hassle that is reparations.


Like I said in my previous post, first step is to open our eyes on the particular plight of Black people, not POC. It allows for specific intervention: for example, some African NGOs have put in work in regard to slavery in Mauritania (the NGO Urgences Pan-Africanistes comes to my mind), and they're very much aware of negrophobia and its presence in Arab cultures.

In the context of China's investment and growing presence on the continent, with the excesses we know of, opening up the talk to the issue of negrophobia appears to me as primordial.

Good points. I really wish the AU was functional enough to aid those NGOs. Its a pity that they aren't more involved in an issue that effects 8 or so Subsaharan countries.




As for white aid, your guess is honestly as good as mine. Its worth noting that

• our actions had very little to do with the freeing of UK, French or US slaves. White internal politics was at play. (Islanders earned that sht, though).

• Similarly, it was those white college kids(same ones marching now) that ended US segregation. Black people lacked the military, economic, or political power to do it alone
• Finally, apartheid only fell once white Europe and Liberal US whites got involved.
• I also dont know if white society is still in the mood to help us, but asking wouldn't hurt

 

[CopiousX]

They were put, historically, in the 'non-White' or , "All other free persons" category.

Race and ethnicity in the U.S. Census​

I've been to the same source, and that isn't explicitly stated. Seems like implication. Can you show me actual documents from the US govt stating the above?


Just like they kept tabs on slaves with meticulous tax and immigration paperwork, there is an even clearer paper trail for the lesser-whites.



I can literally show you thousands of Irish, Italian, Greek, etc documents directly from the US government stating exactly what these people were categorized by the state at that time.





My point earlier, was that we circulate this census story amongst ourselves. I dont think its based in fact. Groups are added to the census as they are imported.


It is no coincidence that asians/Chinese were added at the same time the westerm railroads were built. Similarly, its no coincidence that hispanics were added once their countries were destabilized by UScoups in the 60s.

 

[Counter Racist Male]

I mean, how can we tackle slavery in Mauritania, Lybia, etc (only examples)... to this day and its anti-black extensions with white supremacy talk? When we know that Arab antagonistic anti-black culture is not born out of white supremacy but rather, probably, the Arab slave trade?

We can't.

Still a target that can't be ignored when it comes to the plight of Black people. Let's not give a pass to any. That's how the POC talk bites us in the back.

The Arab slave trade probably birthed much of the antiblackness in the world but white supremacy is the major contributor to antiblackness today. It really doesn’t matter where it started happening it needs to stop.

 

[Unknown Poster]

Exactly. It's the term used here in France amongst decolonial thinkers and more radical political anti-racists. Obviously the mainstream hates the term and never uses it, they'd rather use the vague "racism". Like one of them said, Negrophobia is the cornerstone of racism, because Negrophobia is found everywhere, including among non-Black "POC".

yep

 

[Unknown Poster]

This is a major part of it... In many cultures black or black skin is seen as evil

yep.

The demonization of blackness is present in MANY non-black POC cultures.

 

[MischievousMonkey]

The Arab slave trade probably birthed much of the antiblackness in the world but white supremacy is the major contributor to antiblackness today. It really doesn’t matter where it started happening it needs to stop.

Major contributor to you and to some. I'm considering all black folks. Reducing the issue to white supremacy might not change anything for your particular group but it excludes other segments of black people. See my exchange with CopiusX

 

[HoloGraphic]

Negrophobia needs to be a main stream term

 

[Unknown Poster]

What is NEGROPHOBIA?

NEGROPHOBIA is defined as an extreme and irrational fear of black people, melanated people, and/or people of African descent.

NEGROPHOBIA is a fear of black achievement.

NEGROPHOBIA is a fear of black men and black women in large numbers.

NEGROPHOBIA is a fear of black dominance in a world defined by white supremacy.

NEGROPHOBIA is a fear of pro-blackness or displays of pro-blackness.

It isnt just fear, but hatred, jealousy, antagonism, and absolute contempt and resentment towards black people.

I'll even expand upon this and say Negrophobia is just the inherent FEAR of the EXISTENCE of Black people in general. (ex: calling the cops on a black person just for doing something mundane like moving into a new house)

Cause Black history goes back tens of thousands of years while European/white history is relatively new.

 

[Unknown Poster]

One thing I've noticed about Negrophobia and America...it's almost a rite of passage for immigrants and non-blacks to assimilate in American culture by downing black people and engaging in subtle to blatant anti-black racism. Because America has a foundation that's built essentially off of anti-blackness (from slavery and colonialism). Basically adapting white supremacist belief systems...but it's wack because white supremacy is out for them too...not as bad as us.

But it's a pervasive problem in America. I guess it's how non-black POC cope with not being white and having privilege....taking it out on black people because being seen as above black people is a coping mechanism or a sign of some status.

That's the destructive culture of racism and white supremacy...but it's really compounded in anti-blackness where it manifests greatly.