PartyHeart
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If it was all about different pools white women would have similar rates. There are more white men with aids then there are black men, so why are white women's rates so low? It's poverty and healthcare not pools.
Because white women are not exposed to a high risk pool of white men who were incarcerated and could have had sex with men.
Your conclusion is flawed because HIV rates are down for EVERYBODY but gay men. If your conclusion was correct rates would be up across the board but they are not
That coincides with my point. If it were just about membranes and who is the receptive partner, it would be hard for the gay population to continue to sustain growth in their rates, unless you assumed that very few were ‘tops’, who all have AIDS, and they are just spreading it to thousands of ‘bottom’ gay men.
Again I never said men were impervious. I said it is not very likely which I have proven to you. One more time it's about poverty and healthcare. Black women are more likely to get it because they are more likely to be living in poverty.
Its not likely, because getting it from hetero sex is not likely period, but not for the reasons you are trying to say. You mean to tell me that a poor Black woman who has no healthcare but doesn’t mess with a high risk pool of men has more chance of getting it than a wealthy Black woman who has great health care and sleeps with a high risk pool of men? And its because she is poor?
there rates are going up because they are having booty sex and they are spreading it amongst each other. Let me ask you this if it's not about anatomy and transmission rates, then what makes the gay communty high risk? Shouldn't they be at the same risk as everyone else?
Anal sex is the riskiest in terms of transmitting the disease. If you think I’m disagreeing with you on that, I’m not, I’ve said that from the beginning. Where I am disagreeing is your assertion that heterosexual male numbers are low because of the anatomy of the penis and because they are the inserters. The numbers are the way they are because they are further removed from the high risk group. If hetero women become a high risk group because of their exposure to MSM, hetero men are not safe because they are the inserters. The safety net hetero men think they have is not static. Hetero Black men's numbers prove it.
No they engage in anal sex so they get the disease. I'm talking about the racial disparities in the numbers. Black people are more likely to catch the disease because they are more likely to live in poverty. Again I'm not making this up, this is the analysis of the CDC, you can ignore it if you want.
The quote you gave from the CDC even said its about the person’s sexual network. And no study I’ve ever read has ever had poverty listed as a reason one might get AIDS above exposure. Please link one.
It's much less accepted in the black community to be gay. And black men are more likely to go to prison. How many dudes come home from jail admitting that got their culo blasted?
Not many. Which is how Black women get it. And then how hetero Black men in turn get it. Is this not exposure to a high risk group to you?
You don't understand your own argument. If it was all about exposure black men and black women would have similar numbers. It wouldn't matter who's homosexual or not because the disease would be spreading equally. Hetero black men would have a much higher rate, they don't because women aren't passing the disease on, men are.
Again, heterosexual Black women and heterosexual Black men are not equally exposed to the disease! A Black women can behave as a normal female heterosexual would (having sex with men) and be exposed to the highest risk group unbeknownst to her. Is there a situation that you are thinking of that I am not in which a heterosexual man can behave as a normal male heterosexual would and be exposed to the highest risk group unbeknownst to him??
You have basically said this yourself in not so many words in other posts. You just keeping getting stuck on the idea that this is happening because they are women and they have vaginas made of membrane, ignoring the fact that hetero Black men don’t have vaginas and yet STILL have higher rates than other race hetero women. You’re attempting to attribute that to level of poverty, but it fails the sniff test. (Latinas have higher levels of poverty and still less than Black men).
In conclusion gay men and women have higher rates because it is much easier for the person being penetrated to catch the disease. Black people have higher rates due to higher rates of poverty. I have provided scientific, biological, and statistical proof to back up my point. You have provided nothing but speculation to refute my point.
Lets kill this once and for all. I knew the receptive vaginal compared to insertive anal was fishy:
Putting a number on it: The risk from an exposure to HIV | CATIE - Canada's source for HIV and hepatitis C information
Look at the table. First of all, you will see, as I stated, that the transmission rates vary wildly. In addition, you will notice that the range of insertive anal sex is much higher on both the low and high end than receptive vaginal sex. The researchers basically took what would be a little more than the median number to come up with a general risk estimate for hetero females, .08%. They then just decided to take the absolute lowest possible range number for insertive anal sex and rank them that way. Despite the fact that insertive anal men’s lowest risk and highest risk, mean, and median are all much higher than hetero female’s.
Similarly, you will notice that on the low end, insertive vaginal is actually more risky than the lowest of receptive vaginal, almost by two fold. The researchers in this case, decided at least to do meta-analysis on the 3 studies available for insertive vaginal transmission (in comparison to 10 for receptive vaginal ) and came up with a modest .04%.
This goes to prove that the numbers have very little to do with who is being penetrated as opposed to who is having anal sex or more exposed to the riskiest group.