NASCAR banning the flag will change the GOP forever. Coalitions are shifting. US social market future…GOP Freedom Caucus floats corp tax increase!!

[mr. smoke weed]

Also I believe that European politics is a reliable foreshadowing of US politics. And in Europe even the "conservative" economic platform would be considered relatively progressive.

While UK and USA are very similar, they're also very different.

 

[Loken]

all them red necks prob sounding real

right now

 

[the next guy]

Not sure if you identify with these ideas or are just relaying them.

Because it's some bullshyt

Upper class conservatives are tired of apologizing for their beliefs... What beliefs?

The ideology of I got mines, fukk you?

The ideology of corporations are citizens too?

There ain't no belief system on that side, they didn't eat up Reaganomics and war hawkishness out of a fear of socialism it's because there is no academic legitimacy to conservativism and these batshyt economic theories give it a veneer.

I'm relaying them. There was a trade-off with the base: tax cuts for social conservatism. The corporates didn't hold up their end of the bargain. There was academic legitimacy to conservatism, but when you pander to racism, it fades.

 

[the next guy]

I don't see an increased safety net being part of the party line either.

The book Dying of Whiteness goes into that. Many that support the GOP vehemently reject free healthcare because they feel as if its a benefit to minorities.

But if the white population is dropping, and more Hispanics support it, then why not?

 

[MoneyTron]

But if the white population is dropping, and more Hispanics support it, then why not?

Money and cultural signaling.

 

[the next guy]

Money and cultural signaling.

There's always an excuse not to do better. Before it was too many racists, now it's this. Some people should just admit they are afraid of change, and white people being nice to them is what matters.

 

[MoneyTron]

There's always an excuse not to do better. Before it was too many racists, now it's this. Some people should just admit they are afraid of change, and white people being nice to them is what matters.

Huh?

 

[the next guy]

Huh?

You're claiming that we can't have a larger society safety net because of racism. But we all know the white population is going down. So I'm saying with more Hispanics, why can't we have UBI, free healthcare. The country is getting more progressive.

 

[MoneyTron]

You're claiming that we can't have a larger society safety net because of racism. But we all know the white population is going down. So I'm saying with more Hispanics, why can't we have UBI, free healthcare. The country is getting more progressive.

You would need a representative body in Congress to do it which mean you'd need Democratic majority in at least the Presidency and both houses of Congress. Hispanics don't seem to vote in any significant numbers or have significant financial pull just yet, so Republican interests will continue to be over represented.

 

[the next guy]

You would need a representative body in Congress to do it which mean you'd need Democratic majority in at least the Presidency and both houses of Congress. Hispanics don't seem to vote in any significant numbers or have significant financial pull just yet, so Republican interests will continue to be over represented.

We all know process. I'm saying why aren't dems engaging Hispanics more to get these things done? Still 35 percent are going to go for trump. A lot of them voted for Bernie and we need to bring them in.

 

[MoneyTron]

We all know process. I'm saying why aren't dems engaging Hispanics more to get these things done? Still 35 percent are going to go for trump. A lot of them voted for Bernie and we need to bring them in.

How do you know they aren't?

They aren't a voting monolith by any means.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

OK brehs/brehettes, this will be another classic thread.

Turmoil consumes Chamber of Commerce as it backs Democrats

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is poised to endorse nearly two dozen freshmen House Democrats for reelection, triggering a revolt within the right-leaning organization and drawing fierce pushback from the group’s powerful GOP donors.

The decision represents a sharp departure for the traditionally conservative Chamber, which has spent over $100 million backing Republican candidates during the past decade, and it threatens to further complicate the party’s prospects in the November election while driving a split in the business community.

Chamber leaders — including President Suzanne Clark, Chief Executive Officer Tom Donahue and Executive Vice President Neil Bradley — have been pushing the proposal ahead of a Thursday committee vote to finalize a slate of 2020 endorsements.



But the group’s donors and members are up in arms, with some threatening to pull funding and others openly venting their frustration. Some are raising the prospect that Chamber board members will quit in the weeks to come.

There is particular concern the Democrats in question do not have the pro-business record an endorsement would convey. State Chamber of Oklahoma President Chad Warmington wrote a letter Tuesday to national Chamber leaders fervently opposing the proposal to back Rep. Kendra Horn, perhaps the most vulnerable House Democrat in the country.

 

[Cave Savage]

Good point. Tucker Carlson (massively popular among conservatives) and othrt conservative figurs are trying to shift the party to the left on economic issues.

Mike Cernovich is an a$$hole but what he said about it being easier for the GOP to shift left on economics than it is for the Dems to shift right on culture is true.

 

[Cave Savage]

Nah, all this is just the more centrist Republican establishment trying to regain control of hte party. These rabid racists will go back to the fringes where theyve always been and Romney/Boehner types will go back to juelzing when they say racist shyt

The hardcore racist types DO NOT like capitalism usually. They're the ones trying really hard to get the GOP to be an economically left wing but very socially conservative party.

 

[Cave Savage]

Josh Hawley is perhaps the poster child of this shift.