Nas - Magic 2 (Discussion thread)

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Just clarifying for my notes. Nas-haters are throwing Hit Boy in the bushes now? We going back to the "beats" excuse? Got it.

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3.75 - 4 mics range.

I appreciate the "different sound" here.

I'm sure it's not what most of us expected, but after my third listen, it's dope. With that said, it's probably my least favorite Nas and Hit album since the standard is so high with their other albums.

Favorite tracks:
"Pistols on your Album Cover"
"Motion"
"Slow it Down"
"Abracadabra"
"Office Hours"

No terrible songs on this, really. But nothing incredible, either.
 

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That's dope. Throw me a link to some of your stuff and ill check it out whilst I work. Always willing to support fellow brehs anyway I can.
On topic. That fif verse had the delivery, but it felt way too throwaway. Specially for what nas came with after
lol this feels like you're trying to pull some kind of uno reverse on me, but feel free to check these out. Probably my favorite beats I've made.



Feel free to dig around my soundcloud. I've got a bunch of Nas remixes if you want to stay on topic.
Get Light one of my favorite tracks. Most Hip Hop is made of samples. You're upset he's using sample packs instead of digging through the crates? :why:
I wasn't knocking Get Light as a song. It's probably my favorite joint from KD3. Sample packs are just a lazy, paint by the numbers, soulless way to make beats, and it calls into question his ear, work ethic and ability as a producer. I'm not saying he has to sample strictly vinyl or some old head shyt like that. There's tons of producers that play out their own melodies, which is even more impressive IMO. When it comes to sampling though there's more to it than just chopping and looping. Digging is an entire skill in its own. Those that dig at least have an ear to pick out sounds. Madlib famously goes by the loopdigga, and most of the time he is living up to his name and just looping samples with minimal input, but he has an ear so even when he isn't doing crazy chops, or even bothering to add drums, his signature sound comes through because of sample selection alone. Using sample packs is basically being spoon fed a premade beat. It's fisher-price my first beat, duplo building block shyt. There's creative ways to use sample packs, but for the most part hes just plugging in the melody and adding drums. And sometimes, like with Get Light, he's just putting in a drum break from another pack. Drag, drop x2, maybe a pitch change, time stretch, filter if he's feeling fancy, and that's it. Add in the vocal sample and you have a beat ready in 3 minutes because someone else created the loop and another person created the drum break. If it was one time it would be one thing, but this is something he's doing all the time.
Car 85 >>>>> anything on Magic 2. This album just doesn't have any strong high points so this is under KD1 for me:manny:
KD1 had better production, but the bars were lacking. Nas wasn't back in form yet. I'd say there's a good chance KD1 ends up having more replay value for me than this joint though.
 

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Running it back and...

Abracadabra: this is not the kind of beat I fukk with and I'm not into Nas using that flow so this is not for me

Office Hours: beat is ok but I don't think it fits 50 and he wasn't even trying. Major disappointment

Black Magic: not moving me. it's just alright. Thematically it's not interesting

Motion: beat just isn't doing it first half and the switch can't save it. Nas' energy is there but not feeling this

Bokeem: again the beat isn't working for me. the reggae sample isn't meshing with the other sounds. It's like he wants a reggae/dancehall vibe but the drums don't fit that style

EMJ: I don't like these trap or whatever type of beats and the soul loop is lazy

What This All Really Means: broken record, not digging the beat

Slow it Down: swear I've heard this sample before but this is the one song I've felt works lyrically and production wise

Pistols: that piano loop and horns sound cheap

This album has me confused. It sounds cheap and soulless. Really don't get what Hit Boy was going for sonically because a lot of the music feels flat like he was using stock sounds and sample packs through most of it. The drums aren't hard enough or they're not fitting what Nas needs. I can barely comment on the lyrics because either the beats weren't keeping me engaged or Nas doesn't seem as focused and sharp.

This feels rushed and unfocused which is the last thing I expected because Nas in control of his career and doesn't have a deadline to meet. I'm not even gonna give this a rating now but I didn't like it at all.
Yeah they mailed this one in
 

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lol this feels like you're trying to pull some kind of uno reverse on me, but feel free to check these out. Probably my favorite beats I've made.



Feel free to dig around my soundcloud. I've got a bunch of Nas remixes if you want to stay on topic.

I wasn't knocking Get Light as a song. It's probably my favorite joint from KD3. Sample packs are just a lazy, paint by the numbers, soulless way to make beats, and it calls into question his ear, work ethic and ability as a producer. I'm not saying he has to sample strictly vinyl or some old head shyt like that. There's tons of producers that play out their own melodies, which is even more impressive IMO. When it comes to sampling though there's more to it than just chopping and looping. Digging is an entire skill in its own. Those that dig at least have an ear to pick out sounds. Madlib famously goes by the loopdigga, and most of the time he is living up to his name and just looping samples with minimal input, but he has an ear so even when he isn't doing crazy chops, or even bothering to add drums, his signature sound comes through because of sample selection alone. Using sample packs is basically being spoon fed a premade beat. It's fisher-price my first beat, duplo building block shyt. There's creative ways to use sample packs, but for the most part hes just plugging in the melody and adding drums. And sometimes, like with Get Light, he's just putting in a drum break from another pack. Drag, drop x2, maybe a pitch change, time stretch, filter if he's feeling fancy, and that's it. Add in the vocal sample and you have a beat ready in 3 minutes because someone else created the loop and another person created the drum break. If it was one time it would be one thing, but this is something he's doing all the time.

KD1 had better production, but the bars were lacking. Nas wasn't back in form yet. I'd say there's a good chance KD1 ends up having more replay value for me than this joint though.

So sample packs are why Hip Hop has become so stale and repetitive. Alright that makes sense. I didn't know he was that lazy. No wonder I don't like Hitboy's individual albums.
 
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