Nas - Magic 2 (Discussion thread)

[Figaro]

Putting Nas in the studio with ALC solves nothing besides Nas doing music with ya'lls favorite producer. Even with ALC, its going to be people who see that union as overrated as well. Rinse, wash and recycle. This whole "Hit Boy is overrated, Nas needs (insert favorite producer)" is nothing more than people mad because he's not doing an album with their favorite producer.

I've said it before, Timbaland is my favorite producer. He possibly helmed the follow up to Life Is Good, but it's unreleased. That was a dream for me. I'm not going to go out of way to diss a Hit Boy collaboration just because I want to hear Nas over Timbaland production. Imm

Not necessarily, somebody like Alc can unlock maybe more of a creative side to Nas then Hit Boy.

People are looking at the Alc situation about just being beats not seeing a different producer sound can have a creative burst to the MC also.

But that’s just me.

 

[H.S.]

For better or worse this is much different than everything they've done so far. Feels like they went out their way to make a low stakes album for the summer. Imagine this'll be good for the car and the gym but I don't think that'll be enough for most hardcore Nas fans. I can actually imagine casual fans appreciating this much more than his own fanbase, which is almost never the case for Nas albums.

 

[JustCKing]

Not necessarily, somebody like Alc can unlock maybe more of a creative side to Nas then Hit Boy.

People are looking at the Alc situation about just being beats not seeing a different producer sound can have a creative burst to the MC also.

But that’s just me.

Maybe he could, but until that comes to fruition, we won't know. All we have are songs from 20+ years ago.

Nas is on a creative burst now. He went from not really being in the studio to crankong out 5 albums in three years.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

And here we go with the nas stans who can't take any type of criticism towards their hero .....I'm sorry but this shyt is light. It is what it is. Nas and hitboy's chemistry just getting stale.

It's not even really a Nas thing. Cause these same rhymes over some alchemist and madlib could prolly be a classic. But Nas got a love affair with Hitboy for some reason. I gaurantee you somebody like 9th wonder could make a better album with Nas. Hitboy's shyt has no type of soul. Every beat sounds flat and he's not even improving. It almost feels like he's actually getting worse


You Nas stans accuse people of not being sincere. But yall are the ones not being sincere. Calling every single album Nas drops a classic is not being sincere. I'm not about to lower my standards of what greatness is just because y'all can't admit this shyt is average

 

[bigdaddy88]

shyt weak ..nas needs apollo brown

Ya'll obsessed with that boom bap sound..I wouldn't say no to a nas Apollo brown ya'll just want the same shyt every album and song which is what Apollo will bring,the same sound from track 1 through 13 lol

When was the last time alchemist produced for an S tier rapper????? Cuzz he ain't the answer at all lol.

 

[MisterMajesty]

Yeah, with the first Magic you could tell he really had a chip on his shoulder about the top 3 thing, and he sounded like he had something to prove. He's bragging, but flow wise the "umph" is gone and even though the lyrics are still there he just sounds like he's going through the motions.

The problem with Pistols has been the problem with Hitboy as a whole. He's looping up sample pack loops and stock sounds and calling it a day. It's been a constant complaint since the first KD. Actually even before that, even since this joint people were shytting on him.

That's a loop from a sample pack called "DIRTY SOUTH BANGAZ." That's not a joke. He downloaded a sample pack with that name, picked a loop and just added drums to it. Like a 12 year old who just figured out how to pirate FL Studio.
The quality of his production can depend on his choice of pre-made loops and he doesn't always have the ability to tweak them in a way that's interesting sonically. The difference between a song like Get Light and Pistols is just the loop he picked from whatever sample pack he was spoon fed. The Get Light sample pack is called "1993 Sample Pack" and was just used by Goldlink in 2019 for a pretty big song.


It's not something you expect from a professional producer with a name. It's like finding out Picasso was just using a paint by numbers template.

Right now I have this album over KD1, but that's about it. Personally I thought KD1 was mostly bland and boring, so that's not really saying much.

You a producer dawg?

 

[Alexander Wiggin]

Putting Nas in the studio with ALC solves nothing besides Nas doing music with ya'lls favorite producer. Even with ALC, its going to be people who see that union as overrated as well. Rinse, wash and recycle. This whole "Hit Boy is overrated, Nas needs (insert favorite producer)" is nothing more than people mad because he's not doing an album with their favorite producer.

I've said it before, Timbaland is my favorite producer. He possibly helmed the follow up to Life Is Good, but it's unreleased. That was a dream for me. I'm not going to go out of way to diss a Hit Boy collaboration just because I want to hear Nas over Timbaland production. Imm

First of all, we can't compare timbo to alc. alc is on a run of his own, he's not the same alc nas used to work with and it would be interesting to see them two link during their late primes. And if I want nas to spit on others productions he don't have to necessarily do it for a one producer only album, he can even keep hit on several tracks and make room for others to join in. Don't try to spin this between a boom bap vs modern fans, it's not that at all. And it's not about alchemist either. I would love to hear nas with boi1da and metro

Hit boy is not overrated and he did a fantastic job with Nas so far, I have nothing but positive things to say regarding their projects. This one is underwhelming compare to the previous one but it's still a good album. People can have nuances goddamitt, it's a good album, but their previous were way better. You don't need to be a trap in the 90's fan to be able to hear it. Stop trying to make us look like we are bad fans because we are still able to be critical of the music and not being blind stans.

Everydody can feel the difference of enthusiasm between this thread and the other nas and hit releases thread, so it has nothin to do with a hit boy hate. If the album was that good, it would be other 100 pages already. Au contraire we love hit, he should be knighted for what he's doing with nas. But we also have the right to have the aspiration for something else. To me kd3 is a peak point, I don't think they can go higher. 5 projects when your are not a group is more than enough. People had high expetations, and a lot of us are disappointed. But again it's a solid project, but I feel nas and hit were too greedy. They should take their time, it was only 9 months since the last one.
Now I'm all for a kd4 if they want to and can prove me wrong but at certain point it would make no sense to keep the collaboration running forever. if I keep eating at my favorite restaurant too much I will grow tired of it at a certain point

 

[mson]

And here we go with the nas stans who can't take any type of criticism towards their hero .....I'm sorry but this shyt is light. It is what it is. Nas and hitboy's chemistry just getting stale.

It's not even really a Nas thing. Cause these same rhymes over some alchemist and madlib could prolly be a classic. But Nas got a love affair with Hitboy for some reason. I gaurantee you somebody like 9th wonder could make a better album with Nas. Hitboy's shyt has no type of soul. Every beat sounds flat and he's not even improving. It almost feels like he's actually getting worse


You Nas stans accuse people of not being sincere. But yall are the ones not being sincere. Calling every single album Nas drops a classic is not being sincere. I'm not about to lower my standards of what greatness is just because y'all can't admit this shyt is average

The truth is somewhere in the middle.

First of all, we can't compare timbo to alc. alc is on a run of his own, he's not the same alc nas used to work with and it would be interesting to see them two link during their late primes. And if I want nas to spit on others productions he don't have to necessarily do it for a one producer only album, he can even keep hit on several tracks and make room for others to join in. Don't try to spin this between a boom bap vs modern fans, it's not that at all. And it's not about alchemist either. I would love to hear nas with boi1da and metro

Hit boy is not overrated and he did a fantastic job with Nas so far, I have nothing but positive things to say regarding their projects. This one is underwhelming compare to the previous one but it's still a good album. People can have nuances goddamitt, it's a good album, but their previous were way better. You don't need to be a trap in the 90's fan to be able to hear it. Stop trying to make us look like we are bad fans because we are still able to be critical of the music and not being blind stans.

Everydody can feel the difference of enthusiasm between this thread and the other nas and hit releases thread, so it has nothin to do with a hit boy hate. If the album was that good, it would be other 100 pages already. Au contraire we love hit, he should be knighted for what he's doing with nas. But we also have the right to have the aspiration for something else. To me kd3 is a peak point, I don't thing they can go higher. 5 projects when your are not a group is more than enough. People had high expetations, and a lot of us are disappointed. But again it's a solid project, butI feel nas and hit were too gready. They should take their time, it was only 9 months since the last one.
Now I'm all for a kd4 if they want to and they prove me wrong but at certain point it would make no sense to keep the collaboration running forever. if I keep eating at my favorite restaurant too much I will grow tired of it at a certain point

This is more of a balanced observation.

 

[waynep]

And here we go with the nas stans who can't take any type of criticism towards their hero .....I'm sorry but this shyt is light. It is what it is. Nas and hitboy's chemistry just getting stale.

It's not even really a Nas thing. Cause these same rhymes over some alchemist and madlib could prolly be a classic. But Nas got a love affair with Hitboy for some reason. I gaurantee you somebody like 9th wonder could make a better album with Nas. Hitboy's shyt has no type of soul. Every beat sounds flat and he's not even improving. It almost feels like he's actually getting worse


You Nas stans accuse people of not being sincere. But yall are the ones not being sincere. Calling every single album Nas drops a classic is not being sincere. I'm not about to lower my standards of what greatness is just because y'all can't admit this shyt is average

Naw dog this album is very divisive in here right now.. Me and others are disappointed, and there are others who like it.

 

[LOST IN THE SAUCE]

You a producer dawg?

Yes?

 

[H.S.]

And here we go with the nas stans who can't take any type of criticism towards their hero .....I'm sorry but this shyt is light. It is what it is. Nas and hitboy's chemistry just getting stale.

It's not even really a Nas thing. Cause these same rhymes over some alchemist and madlib could prolly be a classic. But Nas got a love affair with Hitboy for some reason. I gaurantee you somebody like 9th wonder could make a better album with Nas. Hitboy's shyt has no type of soul. Every beat sounds flat and he's not even improving. It almost feels like he's actually getting worse


You Nas stans accuse people of not being sincere. But yall are the ones not being sincere. Calling every single album Nas drops a classic is not being sincere. I'm not about to lower my standards of what greatness is just because y'all can't admit this shyt is average

Man I actually think the beats on here are dope. Not trying to change your mind but I'm surprised so many of y'all are tripping on the production. I think Hit failed Nas as an executive producer on this if anything. Nas sounds great on here and was bringing the right energy but it doesn't feel like Hit was steering him in the right directions. All the other albums felt a lot more thought out and took you on a journey.

 

[NormanConnors]

Ya'll obsessed with that boom bap sound..I wouldn't say no to a nas Apollo brown ya'll just want the same shyt every album and song which is what Apollo will bring,the same sound from track 1 through 13 lol

When was the last time alchemist produced for an S tier rapper????? Cuzz he ain't the answer at all lol.

Not true about Apollo, you must have stopped listening to dude early

 

[Roxx the King]

Damn off first two listens this was really dope. I love the production I heard so far and I liked the flows and concepts. This nikka ain’t lost a step mayne.

 

[Tribal Outkast]

Not necessarily, somebody like Alc can unlock maybe more of a creative side to Nas then Hit Boy.

People are looking at the Alc situation about just being beats not seeing a different producer sound can have a creative burst to the MC also.

But that’s just me.

Kanye supposed to be one of the goats and he couldn’t do that with Nas. Alc is doing ok working with Boldy and the others he already work with IMO. I wouldn’t be mad at a Nas/Alc album but I’m not looking for one.

 

[Roxx the King]

50s verse and that song stand out so far off my first couple listens