Nas - King's Disease II (Discussion Thread)

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Crazy how the third verse of Moments is the sequel to his verse on We Major from FIFTEEN YEARS AGO
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"I heard the beat and I ain't know what to write/First line—should it be about the hoes or the ice?/Four-fours or Black Christ?/ Both flows'd be nice/Rap about big paper or the black man plight…"
 

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Nas' verse on "Nobody" is just beautiful.

I love hearing Lauren's verse on this song and she still sounds great. But people are sleeping on Nas's verses here. Imo BOTH of his verses are doper than Lauren's.

I don't know where people are getting the ghostwriting thing from either. Not saying its impossible, but their verses don't have the same structure at all.
 

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Yea I saw a vid of Salaam talking about it. He didn't know the final album would be like that, not feature some of the best tracks etc. It's a frustrating album. Feels like some of Prince's albums where you know certain tracks were left off for various non-art related reasons (label, business, religion etc) and it becomes a "what could have been" album. Still I think it's amazing lyrically. Stuff like the second verse on American Way is insane. I wish they would have just added Talk Of NY, Serious, Good Morning, got rid of the relationship tracks, and rethink the Scarlett thing (I like it on Sekou Story but it kinda ruins Live Now). Remove the Rakim track too.

Since Pac keeps coming up anyone else feel like Makings Of A Perfect bytch is a Pac homage? The beat, the flow...I can hear Pac all over it. I don't like the track but always felt man, this is some Pac shyt lol.

It's crazy how Street's Disciple was robbed from being a classic the same way I Am... was robbed, at least in terms of the structure. Of course, with a triple album, there would obviously be some filler, but if that was Nas' true vision, Sony should have supported it.

I was listening to it last year in its entirety and wondering why it got so much hate. People call it a bad album, and......I don't hear that at all. Too many songs? Yes. Lack of cohesion? Yes. But the good songs, the highs on this album are fukking amazing. How do you start your album off with "Message to the Feds" and "Nazareth Savage," and people turn around to say it was trash? Knowing the story behind Street's Disciple and what it was supposed to be just makes me appreciate it more.

There are tracks that I don't like (mostly on the second disc), but this album was important for Nas' career in that this is where he stopped giving a fukk. What I mean is, you can tell he wasn't interested in having chart-topping hits and getting the #1 album in the country. He made this album for him, for Salaam, for the people who would get it. He went with more ambitious concepts, started leaning into the weirder aspects of his creative mind. It's not an album that's easily accessible. And when it works (like on "These Are Our Heroes" or "Reason" or "War"), it creates something beautiful.

I also have to point out that lyrically, Nas was possessed on this album. His flow and delivery were on another level here. He was going after those beats like he had a death wish, like Columbia was going to force him into a ten-album deal if he didn't sell a certain amount of copies. I just love the rawness and the aggression of his performance. This is technical rhyming done the right way. :damn:

A lot of people don't like Nas' "anti-mainstream" era (Street's Disciple to Untitled), but I do. There was a lot of experimentation and confidence with these albums, where he went far left to really figure out what he could do as an artist. It wasn't until Life is Good where people finally got it, and with King's Disease I and II, you can see Nas having full control over what he wants to make. Nobody telling him to take these tracks off, no strange sequencing, nothing that feels like it should have been left behind or should have been replaced. The Nas we have now started with Street's Disciple, and we should appreciate that. :obama:
 
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