"Nas had the poorest work ethic for a superstar, that's why Jay z won" TK Kirkland

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in/of rap? Nah....you don't reach 25-30 mill in sales, be around for over 20 years and be revered as a goat candidate by the previous generation, your generation and the newer greats an be considered a non-superstar of rap

Of rap yes. Sorry I meant to say mega star, I remember there was a thread this past summer on what was a rap mega star (Wayne, Drake, Jay) vs what was not (future)

I think nas falls into the not category.

Nothing to do with his work ethic though like it's been pointed out already I don't think that's something he wants, at the same time though I don't believe Jay wants to be a megastar neither it just something that happened for him
 

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Nas missing out on being on Reasonable Doubt to smoke weed in the projects :ahh:

nas missed out on RD not being he was lazy, it was because he didn't want jay riding his wave:scusthov:

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Lol Nas my GOAT, but I don't know why people are acting offended, everybody that's been around Nas describes him as a laid back, kinda lazy savant.

laid back, yes but not lazy:camby:

That Was an Uncanny Era: An Oral History of Nas’ ‘The Lost Tapes’


Poke: Nas was real meticulous with his writing. He would change a verse three or four times—he did that with “If I Ruled The World.” There were joints where he would put down a verse and we didn’t use it. So we would take some of those verses and maybe add a new track and put it on Lost Tapes. Or he might revisit a changed verse and use it for that. We rounded up songs that we had from It Was Written and I Am and decided that we were going to add additional records.

Poke: There was a time where Nas was in the studio and we was just recording for no reason at all. That’s when he started coming up with all of these different concepts. “Blaze a 50,” [N.O.R.E.’s] “Body in the Trunk,” [“Fetus”]—all of those records were done in the same series of sessions. He was in the conceptual frame of mind at that time. They was just in the studio high as fukk, [thinking] of the most ratchet shyt that could happen. They sit around and joke like, “Yo, imagine nikkas doing da-da-da” and he’s penning it. That’s how a lot of the ideas be coming. “Blaze a 50,” we already had the track. That’s when the track is playing and everybody’s getting lye’d up, so the ideas start coming. That’s how that one came about. You put the track on loop and the pen just starts.

That Was an Uncanny Era: An Oral History of Nas’ ‘The Lost Tapes’
 

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Of rap yes. Sorry I meant to say mega star, I remember there was a thread this past summer on what was a rap mega star (Wayne, Drake, Jay) vs what was not (future)

I think nas falls into the not category.

none of these dudes outside of jay have the combination of sales and reverence of nas





Nothing to do with his work ethic though like it's been pointed out already I don't think that's something he wants, at the same time though I don't believe Jay wants to be a megastar neither it just something that happened for him

jayz clearly wanted to be a megastar which is why he rode waves of anything hot


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Let’s keep it 100. Jay is ten times more talented than either 50 or Nelly. I think it’s a disservice to say he’d be Nelly/50 status without Beyoncé.


The “Nas is lazy” thing hasn’t been true since Illmatic. Yes, Nas was a little lazy when he was younger. But again we’re talking about a young prodigy from the projects. Nas was 18 damn years old when he was signed to a major label. All kids are lazy at some point or another.

After Illmatic Nas work ethic improved greatly. Just because he took two years between projects doesn’t mean he wasn’t touring, filming movies, assisting other artists, etc.

You can’t tell me the man who made It Was Written, The OG I Am, and ghostwrote for Foxy Brown has no work ethic.

Nas was outselling Jay in 99 so miss me with this “Nas made himself unknown” bullshyt. Being low key and enigmatic doesn’t mean he didn’t have his own foothold on the genre. Jay and Nas ran parralel but different races, simple as that
Ghostwrote for Will Smith too.
 

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Nas stan reporting in.

The work ethic he's speaking on is not just the amount of albums released in a span of time (even though that's the one example he gave)... them times I was in high school... and it's clear to me why Jay-Z is above Nas commercially. In those times... let's say 1999-2003... look how many fukkin remixes Jay-Z was on... that were huge. Like c'mon... even Mya Best of Me... how many years did we have to hear that? Nas could have done these... but why not??? That's basically the difference in Jay fans and Nas fans... Jay fans like what everybody listening to... Nas fans like rap. So, he right. He appeared in more places that mattered to the short attention span, which is even worse today. That's why he won. We still waiting for Nas til this day.

How many remixes has Eminem been on?
 
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then why bring up quality and number of albums put out? the point had nothing to do with "he put out 10 and he put out 8" or whatever.. it was the fact that nas stays low key and was given the crown... jay z was a nobody in 94 (rap wise) and a low tier rapper when nas and big was out.... and yet jigga lapped him 4 times


how can this even be argued.. maybe nas don't give a shyt.. say that. but don't say nas was working his career just as hard as jay was

I brought up how many albums he made because the topic was his work ethic and that was to show that his work ethic hasn't been poor. Are you paying attention to the topic at hand?

Jay has had more commercial success when it comes to the mainstream because Jay has done a better job at coming with more successful commercial singles that appeal to a wider audience when you compare him and Nas but to say Jay won because Nas had a poor work ethic is bullshyt.

To nikkas who idolize Jay, they feel like he won because he got a shyt load of money, married Beyonce', got almost every rich and famous somebody from Oprah to Obama to Warren Buffet in the world giving him props for his business acumen, along with making some good records here and there.

Because a nikka come with some good and sometimes great hit singles almost every album, don't speak for the whole album. You can have a couple of hit singles almost every album and still make and put out a half ass album almost every round you drop. So to sit here and act like Jay consistently was dropping great album after great album every go round is ridiculous; and I'm not saying Nas has consistently has dropped great album after great album either. But what I am saying is that when you compare and contrast their talent as lyricists and MCs, Nas comes out the winner. When it come to essence and raw talent of this Hip Hop shyt, Nas is better than Jay in every way except for coming with mindless/frivolous records for the club. Jay can run laps around Nas when it comes to making music for the club because that's always been Jay's bread and butter, but when it comes to making some shyt with substance that's well written and above and beyond what every other nikka in Hip Hop is doing, Nas is the best.

When we talking bout pure talent as an MC and lyricist, Nas outshines Jay in every way except for coming with some shyt for the clubs.

But Illmatic, It Was Written, Stillmatic, and Life Is Good, > Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint, The Black Album and 4:44

Oh yeah and just for emphasis again, Ether > The Takeover

In the end, Nas won.
 

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Btw...am I the only one that never really found TK Kirkland that funny? Dude on here talking bout comedians like Jamie Foxx was hesitant to go on after him and I'm like :usure:
I swear I had that same face too lol. I remember dude from back in the day but I don’t remember anybody calling him great. I bet I can ask 100 people who their top 10 comedians all time are and I bet nobody names TK Kirkland
 
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