My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread

[GoldenGlove]

What are the points of emphasis that Hornacek is pushing on offense for this team? When I catch the games, it's like the offense is all over the place. Sometimes they want to push the pace, and will put up quick bad shots... then other times Melo does his thing in isolation. Seems completely random what the gameplan is offensively.

Then it seems like the green light is for everybody with an open shot.


shyt just seems like a mess.

If Rose wants to cash out in the offseason he needs to do more. 16ppg and 2ast isn't going to cut it.

 

[thatrapsfan]

I always find myself kinda chuckling when I move through this thread, because you can tell who doesn't really understand basketball by defining "coming off the bench" as "being benched" -- this is why you muhfukkas weren't shyt on your middle school team, and had to retire to 2k

You're acting like some actual NBA players don't understand it like that. It's not hard to assume that Melo would react like Iverson did back in the day:

Allen Iverson calls his one season in Detroit the "worst year of my career" and claims team officials and coach Michael Curry "lied" to him about coming off the bench instead of starting.


"They told me, straight up, 'Allen, we would never disrespect you or your career like that,' by making me come off the bench," Iverson said in an interview with ESPN.com Page 2 columnist Scoop Jackson. "That's what they told me to my face. And after that, I never thought about it again. I just went back to playing. Then, they came to me saying that they felt it would be in the 'best interest of the team' if I came off of the bench behind Rip [Richard Hamilton].

"... After that, they told me that if I didn't come off the bench, the team was going to lie down on [not play with] me. ... When he told me that, that's when I felt that this was the worst career move I'd ever made and it was the worst year of my career."

Iverson: Pistons 'lied' about coming off bench

or this time with the Sixers

USATODAY.com - Iverson 'insulted' by decision to have him come off bench

Iverson damn sure wasn't a failed middle school ball player either Stars have egos.

 

[CHICAGO]

Yeah, it was a weird set of moves. And honestly, if they just did Lee/Rose -- I would have been pretty happy. But Noah's deal is unmitigated disaster for this team.






The problem here is, defense is NOT easy to fix. If it were easy to go from trash to average on defense, teams would do it.

You have to have guys that are fully engaged, and understanding rotations, so they do it naturally. Then you need players who can also play defense.

Rose is a shytty defender at the point.
Melo is an - at best - uncommitted defender.
Porzingis is an untrained defender.
Noah can't change directions anymore AND has zero explosion to challenge shots.

So you have four people who either don't understand/practice rotations and/or can't do them physically.

Even if they had ONLY drilled defense from the beginning of camp to now with a defensive specialist, they'd still be ass. This team is not built to defend, as a whole. And in order to even be passable, they need to make a large amount of significant changes.

ROSE IS ACTUALLY A GOOD DEFENDER.
JO WILL STILL BE EFFECTIVE IN THE RIGHT SCHEME.

THIBS WOULD HAVE THESE DUDES PLAYING D WITHIN A WEEK.

ITS NOT A LACK OF ABILITY.
THEY JUST DONT HAVE ANY COHESIVENESS...

FEELS LIKE A PICK UP GAME.

LOOKS LIKE THEY WERE SO WORRIED ABOUT THE TRIANGLE
THEY DIDNT WORK ON D IN CAMP.

PROBABLY THOUGHT THEY COULD OUT SCORE TEAMS.




​

 

[I.V.]

ROSE IS ACTUALLY A GOOD DEFENDER.​

Nah. He's not.

And you can't start a long post with such a bold faced lie and then expect me to read the rest.

You're acting like some actual NBA players don't understand it like that. It's not hard to assume that Melo would react like Iverson did back in the day:

Allen Iverson calls his one season in Detroit the "worst year of my career" and claims team officials and coach Michael Curry "lied" to him about coming off the bench instead of starting.


"They told me, straight up, 'Allen, we would never disrespect you or your career like that,' by making me come off the bench," Iverson said in an interview with ESPN.com Page 2 columnist Scoop Jackson. "That's what they told me to my face. And after that, I never thought about it again. I just went back to playing. Then, they came to me saying that they felt it would be in the 'best interest of the team' if I came off of the bench behind Rip [Richard Hamilton].

"... After that, they told me that if I didn't come off the bench, the team was going to lie down on [not play with] me. ... When he told me that, that's when I felt that this was the worst career move I'd ever made and it was the worst year of my career."

Iverson: Pistons 'lied' about coming off bench

or this time with the Sixers

USATODAY.com - Iverson 'insulted' by decision to have him come off bench

Iverson damn sure wasn't a failed middle school ball player either Stars have egos.

I don't understand your point.

1) I didn't say "all players are happy to come off the bench" -- what I said is: Coming off the bench is not "being benched" -- and saying so shows you don't understand the game.

That doesn't mean Melo will come off the bench, it means what I said.

And Iverson was trash at that point in his career, and should have been coming off the bench. It's too bad he couldn't accept his role, because he could have had a more productive end to his career.

 

[#1 pick]

Yeah, it was a weird set of moves. And honestly, if they just did Lee/Rose -- I would have been pretty happy. But Noah's deal is unmitigated disaster for this team.






The problem here is, defense is NOT easy to fix. If it were easy to go from trash to average on defense, teams would do it.

You have to have guys that are fully engaged, and understanding rotations, so they do it naturally. Then you need players who can also play defense.

Rose is a shytty defender at the point.
Melo is an - at best - uncommitted defender.
Porzingis is an untrained defender.
Noah can't change directions anymore AND has zero explosion to challenge shots.

So you have four people who either don't understand/practice rotations and/or can't do them physically.

Even if they had ONLY drilled defense from the beginning of camp to now with a defensive specialist, they'd still be ass. This team is not built to defend, as a whole. And in order to even be passable, they need to make a large amount of significant changes.

This. I haven't watch these guys play in the RS but it's extremely hard to get players out of bad habits and add chemistry on top of that and it's not ideal.

Just knowing them players for what they are, this is kinda what I expected.

I might troll this fanbase due to them trolling us, but reality is, this wasn't much different than this:

 

[#1 pick]

ROSE IS ACTUALLY A GOOD DEFENDER.
JO WILL STILL BE EFFECTIVE IN THE RIGHT SCHEME.

THIBS WOULD HAVE THESE DUDES PLAYING D WITHIN A WEEK.

ITS NOT A LACK OF ABILITY.
THEY JUST DONT HAVE ANY COHESIVENESS...

FEELS LIKE A PICK UP GAME.

LOOKS LIKE THEY WERE SO WORRIED ABOUT THE TRIANGLE
THEY DIDNT WORK ON D IN CAMP.

PROBABLY THOUGHT THEY COULD OUT SCORE TEAMS.




​

This shyt sound so good too. Rose is a good man defender. It's team defense where I had issues with him with Chicago since Thibs left. Thing was, Rose was a beast at it before the injuries.

I do agree about cohesiveness with every team who made new additions this early in the season. Even Chicago, Atlanta, Boston, San Antonio and GS is having issues with it. Clearly OKC is an exception for now.

Like I said, I need to actually watch the Knicks play before I really add my two cents but from what I saw last year, I knew this wasn't going to work. The pre-season kinda was for the Knicks. Jennings really fit with the core and they looked like a more organized team than I expected. I guess with Rose, it's what I expected.

 

[El Jefe]

catch and shoot opportunities for Melo is what Hornacek should be looking to maximize...get Carmelo mostly offball touches and I guarantee you the Knicks become a whole different team

Co sign ..662x ..I've seen very lil system ( which was what I was expectinf )

I don't get why hirnaceck is so adverse to running a couple PnR x Pick x Pop plays for KP .. and or melo

It just doesnt.make sense ( he wants them to seek out ' KP ' more but outside of mismatches that's a very simple.play run which will allow for easy buckets for Kp pulling up or rolling to the basket and either finishing or getting fouled

What are the points of emphasis that Hornacek is pushing on offense for this team? When I catch the games, it's like the offense is all over the place. Sometimes they want to push the pace, and will put up quick bad shots... then other times Melo does his thing in isolation. Seems completely random what the gameplan is offensively.

Then it seems like the green light is for everybody with an open shot.


shyt just seems like a mess.

If Rose wants to cash out in the offseason he needs to do more. 16ppg and 2ast isn't going to cut it.

This is melos team first and foremost ..plus he dont want to be seen as crushing Kps growth ..he in a tough spot ..he is also only 4 games in

What he has shown thus far in spurts has been more then effective .. the confidence in his overall game and getting to the whole has been even more impressive ( speed_ explosiveness) then what I saw last year with us


His D has also improved sun..more effort but still needs to be better ..

 

[SadimirPutin]

Plays that start with an isolation in the post should be a no go...there are enough plays where it will eventually come down to that as the shot clock winds down which is understandable.....

 

[pete clemenza]

You're acting like some actual NBA players don't understand it like that. It's not hard to assume that Melo would react like Iverson did back in the day:

Allen Iverson calls his one season in Detroit the "worst year of my career" and claims team officials and coach Michael Curry "lied" to him about coming off the bench instead of starting.


"They told me, straight up, 'Allen, we would never disrespect you or your career like that,' by making me come off the bench," Iverson said in an interview with ESPN.com Page 2 columnist Scoop Jackson. "That's what they told me to my face. And after that, I never thought about it again. I just went back to playing. Then, they came to me saying that they felt it would be in the 'best interest of the team' if I came off of the bench behind Rip [Richard Hamilton].

"... After that, they told me that if I didn't come off the bench, the team was going to lie down on [not play with] me. ... When he told me that, that's when I felt that this was the worst career move I'd ever made and it was the worst year of my career."

Iverson: Pistons 'lied' about coming off bench

or this time with the Sixers

USATODAY.com - Iverson 'insulted' by decision to have him come off bench

Iverson damn sure wasn't a failed middle school ball player either Stars have egos.

The same sh*t happened to him in Memphis as well. Even cursed out Lionel Hollins in front of the team cause he wasn't starting

 

[charmander]

the only time melo gonna willingly sit on a bench is if it's for a pie eating contest

 

[I.V.]

ROSE IS ACTUALLY A GOOD DEFENDER.

No. He isn't. Even at his best, he was only a solid man to man defender, with terrible team defense instincts, and little commitment to scheme.

JO WILL STILL BE EFFECTIVE IN THE RIGHT SCHEME.

Maybe, but that scheme isn't "starter who makes 20 million a season" because he's not that guy anymore on defense, and he can't make himself a threat on offense to score.

THIBS WOULD HAVE THESE DUDES PLAYING D WITHIN A WEEK.

Ehh, Jo is limited physically. Rose isn't a defender. Melo doesn't commit to scheme. I love thibs, but I don't think this roster has the defensive talent to be very good. He'd be playing Lee/Holiday/Lance/Jo/KP - and they're score three points a quarter.

ITS NOT A LACK OF ABILITY.

It is. Coaching can't fix everything.

THEY JUST DONT HAVE ANY COHESIVENESS...

This is ALSO true.

FEELS LIKE A PICK UP GAME.

LOOKS LIKE THEY WERE SO WORRIED ABOUT THE TRIANGLE
THEY DIDNT WORK ON D IN CAMP.

But that's not what happened, they just aren't good at it.

PROBABLY THOUGHT THEY COULD OUT SCORE TEAMS.
​

​

 

[KnickstapeCity]

the only time melo gonna willingly sit on a bench is if it's for a pie eating contest

 

[cornercommission2k12]

a guards defense is only as good as the help defense that rotates behind them. most guards especially point guards are not really that great of defenders, they are just great at sending their man into the help. if players dont rotate, and give 2nd and 3rd efforts, especially to teams that move the ball well, then that defense will get picked apart. getting back in transition, giving 2nd and 3rd efforts, is all about effort. most these guys have been hearing about defense since grade school, its just all about if the players feel like running it.

 

[K-Deini]

is there any chance they have another player exemption added into the new cba? this noah contract gettin paid 20 million to play 20 mins a game

 

[MostReal]

catch and shoot opportunities for Melo is what Hornacek should be looking to maximize...get Carmelo mostly offball touches and I guarantee you the Knicks become a whole different team

This