My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread

[Frump]

This is why I'm all in on him and mad as hell already that someone will scoop him before we get the chance. Watching the Warriors and the havoc they present to any lineup by being able to defend 1-3, and 1-5 against small lineups, with no second guessing with damn near their whole roster is I see more Klay-like potential in Frank than anything

EDIT: SWEAR TO GOD IF WE DRAFT LUKE KENNARD

Nothing about him says potential star

I'm not drafting a defensive specialist at 8

His ceiling sounds like Jrue Holiday

 

[tremonthustler1]

Nothing about him says potential star

I'm not drafting a defensive specialist at 8

His ceiling sounds like Jrue Holiday

Jrue was an all-star though. You'll take that at 8.

 

[I.V.]

Nothing about him says potential star

I'm not drafting a defensive specialist at 8

His ceiling sounds like Jrue Holiday

He's not a defensive specialist, it's established that he can shoot, and he can do it against higher competition than any D1 player played against.

You don't get surefire stars with the 8th pick. And Jrue WAS an all star, so that seems like a bad example.

You get to choose between Markkannen, Monk, Frank, DSJ, and Mitchell.

Each of them has strengths and weaknesses, there are no surefire stars in that lot.

Frank is young, and lacks explosion, and has loose handles.
Markannen won't be able to defend and is redundant with KP.
DSJ has never played defense, has gator arms, and shows truly awful decision making
Monk is a jumpshooter, doesn't defend, isn't a pg and is small for a 2
Mitchell has almost no point guard skills, hasn't run an offense, and shows bad shot selection

The thing is, all of these guys are young as fukk, so what you end up having to do is project (guess) which of these weaknesses can be improved upon.

 

[Frump]

Jrue was an all-star though. You'll take that at 8.

We know all star can be a loosely used term. Jamal Mcgloire was one once. There's perennial all stars and guys like Holiday who made it once.

Point is the Jrue Holidays don't move the needle in the league at all.

I'd rather strike out going for a high risk high reward player then taking a guy with a lower ceiling

 

[Frump]

He's not a defensive specialist, it's established that he can shoot, and he can do it against higher competition than any D1 player played against.

You don't get surefire stars with the 8th pick. And Jrue WAS an all star, so that seems like a bad example.

You get to choose between Markkannen, Monk, Frank, DSJ, and Mitchell.

Each of them has strengths and weaknesses, there are no surefire stars in that lot.

Frank is young, and lacks explosion, and has loose handles.
Markannen won't be able to defend and is redundant with KP.
DSJ has never played defense, has gator arms, and shows truly awful decision making
Monk is a jumpshooter, doesn't defend, isn't a pg and is small for a 2
Mitchell has almost no point guard skills, hasn't run an offense, and shows bad shot selection

The thing is, all of these guys are young as fukk, so what you end up having to do is project (guess) which of these weaknesses can be improved upon.

The thing with Frank is I don't think he can be a star for what he lacks physically especially with the lack of speed and explosion

DSJ could be a huge bust but in today's NBA he could also be a stud.

As far as my point about Jrue is he isn't a difference maker.

If we got a player similar to Jrue with this 8th pick is that good enough to be KP's sidekick on a contending team one day ? Hell no

Jrue is probably the 4th or 5th best player on a title team

 

[Carolina Slim]

Kennard is definitely useful. I think a smart team would know how to maximize him. DX has him at 11, at that spot I'd much rather have somebody like Mitchell. If he was falling into the 20's I'd consider him, but I don't think he's a great fit for the Knicks. He's certainly better than taking Leaf, who I think is a bum.

Watch him wind up on the Spurs and become Ginobili 2.0

 

[tremonthustler1]

We know all star can be a loosely used term. Jamal Mcgloire was one once. There's perennial all stars and guys like Holiday who made it once.

Point is the Jrue Holidays don't move the needle in the league at all.

I'd rather strike out going for a high risk high reward player then taking a guy with a lower ceiling

How about not striking out? Knicks can't afford to do that.

 

[storyteller]

DSJr is about to have his second interview with Orlando, dude is built to impress especially in workouts. Realistically it's probably a choice between Monk and Frank. So you have can have a SG who can shoot lights out but is housed in a PG's body or you can get a PG with a 7'1 wingspan that shoots really well. Frank is really young too, even compared to his peers he's young and dude has been the rising star winner in one of the top leagues in Europe competing with grown men for the past two years. Everyone's a project, everyone's got flaws, it's the 8th pick in the draft. But I'd rather take a shot on the young guy who has competed against grown men for two years and is big for his position than the slightly older guy who has competed against only people his own age and is undersized for his position. When Frank went against his peers he SMOKED them.

 

[ISO]

that shoots really well.

 

[ikbm]

The thing with Frank is I don't think he can be a star for what he lacks physically especially with the lack of speed and explosion

DSJ could be a huge bust but in today's NBA he could also be a stud.

As far as my point about Jrue is he isn't a difference maker.

If we got a player similar to Jrue with this 8th pick is that good enough to be KP's sidekick on a contending team one day ? Hell no

Jrue is probably the 4th or 5th best player on a title team

2017 NBA Draft Capsule: Dennis Smith Jr.
basically everything in this link is why frump holds dsj in high esteem.
its about 30 different clips that showcase his explosiveness.
the knicks need to acquire useful talent right now...a home run would be nice...but what if this dude fails...mind you he already tore his acl once
im cool with drafting frank when it comes to it.
we need to be bad and be at the top of the draft for next year...for a home run

 

[storyteller]

I don't have them on hand but the kid's percentages on catch and shoots and contested jumpers were both strong. His role in France meant lighter numbers but that's no different from KP or Willy's; both guys put better numbers up as rookies than they did when they got to the NBA. Raw stats ain't the way to check international players out.

 

[tremonthustler1]

DSJr is about to have his second interview with Orlando, dude is built to impress especially in workouts. Realistically it's probably a choice between Monk and Frank. So you have can have a SG who can shoot lights out but is housed in a PG's body or you can get a PG with a 7'1 wingspan that shoots really well. Frank is really young too, even compared to his peers he's young and dude has been the rising star winner in one of the top leagues in Europe competing with grown men for the past two years. Everyone's a project, everyone's got flaws, it's the 8th pick in the draft. But I'd rather take a shot on the young guy who has competed against grown men for two years and is big for his position than the slightly older guy who has competed against only people his own age and is undersized for his position. When Frank went against his peers he SMOKED them.

Dennis might be there at 8 too, but he's a possible target at 5, 6, or 7

 

[I.V.]

The thing with Frank is I don't think he can be a star for what he lacks physically especially with the lack of speed and explosion

DSJ could be a huge bust but in today's NBA he could also be a stud.

As far as my point about Jrue is he isn't a difference maker.

If we got a player similar to Jrue with this 8th pick is that good enough to be KP's sidekick on a contending team one day ? Hell no

Jrue is probably the 4th or 5th best player on a title team

DSJ's ceiling feels like Dame Lillard to me. And Lillard has a MUCH larger wingspan.

And short guards who can't defend and aren't prolific/all time shooters are an archetype that we have not seen win championships.

Not to say somebody like DSJ couldn't win a chip. Also I'd personally love to watch him every night. He is going to be exciting. But that is a style of play that just has not been overly successful.

Watch him wind up on the Spurs and become Ginobili 2.0

I don't put anything past the spurs. But manu was a gawd.

DSJr is about to have his second interview with Orlando, dude is built to impress especially in workouts. Realistically it's probably a choice between Monk and Frank. So you have can have a SG who can shoot lights out but is housed in a PG's body or you can get a PG with a 7'1 wingspan that shoots really well. Frank is really young too, even compared to his peers he's young and dude has been the rising star winner in one of the top leagues in Europe competing with grown men for the past two years. Everyone's a project, everyone's got flaws, it's the 8th pick in the draft. But I'd rather take a shot on the young guy who has competed against grown men for two years and is big for his position than the slightly older guy who has competed against only people his own age and is undersized for his position. When Frank went against his peers he SMOKED them.

This is kind of where I'm landing.

Though, to be clear -- any young intriguing talent is a good thing for the knicks at this spot. Because, well, they suck.

 

[Scottie Drippin]

DSJr is about to have his second interview with Orlando, dude is built to impress especially in workouts. Realistically it's probably a choice between Monk and Frank. So you have can have a SG who can shoot lights out but is housed in a PG's body or you can get a PG with a 7'1 wingspan that shoots really well. Frank is really young too, even compared to his peers he's young and dude has been the rising star winner in one of the top leagues in Europe competing with grown men for the past two years. Everyone's a project, everyone's got flaws, it's the 8th pick in the draft. But I'd rather take a shot on the young guy who has competed against grown men for two years and is big for his position than the slightly older guy who has competed against only people his own age and is undersized for his position. When Frank went against his peers he SMOKED them.

Boom. So much of Frank's scouting is coming from being a teenager against professionals. Matched against people with equal experience he's been hands down, flat out, the most dominant person on the court.

DSJ is a shoot first PG who looks like he'll be a defensive liability his entire career who, even though he's supposed to be the shooter, shot at a very pedestrian clip in college. I don't even care if DSJ goes somewhere else and becomes a 20 a game scorer/all-star. Players of his type never win anything.

If the choice is between a 6'3" streaky shooter and a 6'5" lockdown defender, give me that defender every time. Especially when that 6'5" defender shows the tools and talent to be a good offensive player as well. Taking DSJ is SUCH a gamble. If Frank is gone, I'm with it, but if both are at 8, nah, gotta go with Frank. I think he clearly has the higher floor and higher ceiling.

 

[Trapperman Dave]

Knicks need a consistent system for any young player to succeed in. If jeff is going to be around for a while he should have a say in who they go after