My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread

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Nope that's not how the lottery works.
I still don't fully understand how the lottery works. As long as we stay in the 7th or 8th spot we'll be in decent shape, it's that 9th and 10th spot that scare me.

So if we had won the coin toss, what picks could we have possibly gotten?
 

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My Mock until 7 (if order remains the same)

Boston - Fultz
Suns - Jackson
Lakers - Ball
Philly - Monk/Fox
Orlando - Tatum
The Motherfukking Wolves - Isaac
Knicks - Ntilikina

If the rumors that the Knicks want Ntilikina are true odds are he will be there at 7. Draftexpress has him mocked at 11 so he would have to blow people away in workouts to move ahead of the Knicks pick (it's happened before). Also that would likely mean one of or possibly both Of Fox and Monk will be available at 7.

The team most likely to Draft Ntilikina ahead of us Philly (they need outside shooting). Monk might be the best shooter in this draft The Wolves are supposedly looking for a big they can slot in next to KAT that has range and plays defense. Isaac fits that to a T as well as potentially Collins to a degree. So in theory the Knicks and the wolves want two different things..... however the Knicks lucks sucks
 
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I still don't fully understand how the lottery works. As long as we stay in the 7th or 8th spot we'll be in decent shape, it's that 9th and 10th spot that scare me.

So if we had won the coin toss, what picks could we have possibly gotten?

1,2,3, and 6,7,8,9

You can only move up to the top three however if some other teams moves up all the teams behind them must move back a pick (up to where they were originally slotted). So let's say we win at 7 and move to 1. Every team starting with Boston would have to move back a pick up until 7. So Boston would be 2, Suns would go 3, Lakers would lose there pick at 4, Philly 5, Orlando 6, and then Wolves at 7. From 8 on the draft would remain the same.
 

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My Mock until 7 (if order remains the same)

Boston - Fultz
Suns - Jackson
Lakers - Ball
Philly - Monk/Fox
Orlando - Tatum
The Motherfukking Wolves - Isaac
Knicks - Ntilikina

If the rumors that the Knicks want Ntilikina are true odds are he will be there at 7. Draftexpress has him mocked at 11 so he would have to blow people away in workouts to move ahead of the Knicks. Also that would like mean one of or possibly both Of Fox and Monk will be available at 7.

The team most likely to Draft Ntilikina ahead of us Philly (they need outside shooting). Monk might be the best shooter in this draft The Wolves are supposedly looking for a big they can slot in next to KAT that has range and plays defense. Isaac fits that to a T as well as potentially Collins to a degree.
Finish up your top 10, curious to see what you got.
 

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My Mock until 7 (if order remains the same)

Boston - Fultz
Suns - Jackson
Lakers - Ball
Philly - Monk/Fox
Orlando - Tatum
The Motherfukking Wolves - Isaac
Knicks - Ntilikina

If the rumors that the Knicks want Ntilikina are true odds are he will be there at 7. Draftexpress has him mocked at 11 so he would have to blow people away in workouts to move ahead of the Knicks. Also that would like mean one of or possibly both Of Fox and Monk will be available at 7.

The team most likely to Draft Ntilikina ahead of us Philly (they need outside shooting). Monk might be the best shooter in this draft The Wolves are supposedly looking for a big they can slot in next to KAT that has range and plays defense. Isaac fits that to a T as well as potentially Collins to a degree.

Knicks and Ntilikina, don't think it happens. We never get the player we talk up.
 

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Finish up your top 10, curious to see what you got.

My Mock 10

Boston - Fultz
Suns - Jackson
Lakers - Ball
Philly - Monk
Orlando - Tatum
The Motherfukking Wolves - Isaac
Knicks - Ntilikina
Kings - Smith Jr
Mavs - Fox
Kings - either Markennan or Collins

Funny thing about this draft I can't say Frank is a better prospect than Fox, or Smith Jr. I just know they might not make it on the Knicks cause of how their game contrasts with what the Tryangle needs. Fox can't shoot and could end up as limited by the system and Jerian Grant was (though he is a much better player physically). Smith Jr's size and ball dominate game means he could become a rose lite player.

DSJ and one of Markennan or Collins provides the Kings with more scorers (which seems to be the plans), the Mavs wanted a defense first PG (which is why they have been connected to Ntilikina in a lot of mocks).
 

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Knicks and Ntilikina, don't think it happens. We never get the player we talk up.

I think the direction the team wants to go for is more pass first, Feed Willy or feed KP next year guards. I am also wondering after the press conference if they have identified Baker as someone who can be their PG next year. On most teams he would be a backup but in the Tryangle the PG is ususally a 3&D guy. Patrick Beverly would be the ideal Tryangle PG, Fisher was more or less the same thing but physically smaller than Baker so he fits that mold of Tryangle starting PG. Physically Ntilikina looks like he could be a Tryangle SG, great size to post and shoot over defenders, all around skilled, can't drive but the Tryangle isn't a screen/roll offense that requires that.

I know a lot of teams aren't placing a high value on that. Phil is marching to his own drummer and Ntilikina at #7 is more evidence of that. BPA at #7 is considered one of Fox, Monk, and DSJ . Offensively all 3 are ahead of him and are more likely to contribute sooner than later. Ntilikina has the defense and physical stats to potentially be better than all of them, but without a system built to hide his early strength and speed issues (like the Tryangle) I think he would be on a longer development timeline.

As far as the Wolves not taking a pg keep in mind there's a decent chance they trade the pick for immediate help

Wolves are a complete wildcard. They got a squad, but can't win. The offense suffers under Thibs (no surprise) but they defense is bad too. I could see them moving back for help or trading it completely. They need to figure out how to win or trade either Zach or Wiggins. They are the team I see most likely to trade the pick in the top 10 and yeah I am not surprised they are perfectly positioned to fukk the knick draft up.
 
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