My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread

Mr. Jack Napier

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I am not a fan of Phil, but what I find hilarious is that any bad word by Phil towards Melo and you are on some :cape: shyt. Claiming the knicks don't deserve a player of this caliber, Phil is wrong etc.

Yet when he has something stupid to say about Porzingis it's all good because he knows basketball right?

:camby:

I see right through you breh. You are a fan of the player, not the squad at all. I bet you will buy a Cleveland Melo Jersey the second LeBron makes that move.

Where the hell did I say that Phil talking bad about KP is good...
 

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I listened to Phil's press conference and I'll be completely honest I mostly agree with everything he said. He fukked up with the whole Melo situation but he's right that Melo can't win here and needs to move on.

KP my guy but he's bugging. Flashes of greatness aside, he really hasn't performed to the level where he can just blow off meetings. Tf kinda shyt is that.
 

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ASK IRA: Does Carmelo Anthony to the Heat make sense?

A line from the article that caught my eye was "While this is all speculation, don't kid yourself, Phil Jackson has every team considering their possible permutations. Including the Heat. That's why Friday's carnival act was offered in the first place."

Like If Melo opens up his options beyond the 3 teams he gave before the trade deadline..... The Knicks might come away from this with something decent

:ehh:
 

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ASK IRA: Does Carmelo Anthony to the Heat make sense?

A line from the article that caught my eye was "While this is all speculation, don't kid yourself, Phil Jackson has every team considering their possible permutations. Including the Heat. That's why Friday's carnival act was offered in the first place."

Like If Melo opens up his options beyond the 3 teams he gave before the trade deadline..... The Knicks might come away from this with something decent

:ehh:
ok but why would melo help the Knicks and not go to a contender?? This is why you don't behave like Phil and make an antagonistic relationship with the person with a No trade Clause. If the reason Phil thinks melo should leave is to go win then melo has no reason to expand his list of teams
 

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ok but why would melo help the Knicks and not go to a contender?? This is why you don't behave like Phil and make an antagonistic relationship with the person with a No trade Clause. If the reason Phil thinks melo should leave is to go win then melo has no reason to expand his list of teams

That is the other edge of the sword. Either Melo has no intention of leaving so Phil said fukk it YOLO but if he makes it bad enough will Melo leave or will he just say fukk it and get what I assume will be a benching or severe limiting of minutes...... which is a horrible look

There are no good results
 

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That is the other edge of the sword. Either Melo has no intention of leaving so Phil said fukk it YOLO but if he makes it bad enough will Melo leave or will he just say fukk it and get what I assume will be a benching or severe limiting of minutes...... which is a horrible look

There are no good results
I'm sure melo would go to a team that's a contender but what are we getting from a contender? We have to take salary as well
 

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The support against this fukkboy on behalf of an athlete who stayed professional throughout this bullshyt makes me very happy.



Porzingis has educated himself on how successful NBA organizations are run and the Knicks don't resemble any of those at the moment. Porzingis' "growing disillusionment" is further complicating the Knicks' plans to rebuild around him, beginning with a trade of Carmelo Anthony.

I fukking love this kid.

 
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The support against this fukkboy on behalf of an athlete white stayed professional throughout this bullshyt makes be very happy.





I fukking love this kid.


Phil and Dolan have to listen to this kid. It's the only reason anyone cares about this team at this point. Can't see the Silver stepping in but KP kicking up a storm may start changes.

Just need these fukking tourists and corporations to stop buying so many tickets
 

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Porzingis isn’t alone. Players are privately fuming that they want no part of the organization’s summer slate of triangle offense regimen at the team’s suburban New York practice facility, league sources told The Vertical. In reality, there’s an open rebellion to the triangle – for the offense itself, and by extension, the discord and dysfunction that its implementation has burdened upon everyone.

It isn’t only Jackson’s laborious organizational emails about the triangle – demands of emphasis on schooling players on the reverse pivot move, or the proper passing techniques – but his increasing insistence on the coaching staff and players that the obsolete offense become fully functional for the 2017-18 season.

Why Kristaps Porzingis is unhappy with Phil Jackson and the Knicks

shyts ugly

Kurt Rambis seems like a terrible human being.
 

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Phil and Dolan have to listen to this kid. It's the only reason anyone cares about this team at this point. Can't see the Silver stepping in but KP kicking up a storm may start changes.

Just need these fukking tourists and corporations to stop buying so many tickets

Co-sign on the bolded. It'll never happen, though.

It seems like KP really is not one to hold his tongue or suppress his feelings and thoughts about shyt that he perceives impacts him negatively.

When KP came out and defended Melo throughout this season, many did, "what do you think he's going to say, the truth?? He's being PC."

It looks like KP is no bytch and isn't the type to NOT say what he feels.
 
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I stopped watching the Knicks this season because I just couldn't watch the obvious misery and dysfunction night after night.

But, after watching Phil's press conference, it's good to see him addressing it directly. What I see when I watch the Knicks is exactly what Phil mentioned, a team with an identity crisis. And throughout the year I saw the internal struggle play out in games.

Like Phil said, you had guys who fed off offense, and the spiritual leader of this group was none other than Carmelo Anthony. He gave life to that culture within the team where guys effort level was directly correlated to if their shot was falling.

For Derek Rose, a guy trying to re-establish himself as an elite athletic player, I can see how his entire mood as a player could be dictated by whether his shot was falling. Given what was happening in his personal life, he was especially vulnerable and was an easy convert into Carmelo's bipolar cult of "give me the ball, I'm hot."

With Kristaps, he was still a young and impressionable foreigner, playing with legendary scorers like Carmelo and Rose in a market like new York. He was vulnerable to falling victim to Carmelo's cult as well. To his credit, by mid season I think he got hip to the fact that something was wrong, but at his age you can't be sure he's able to conceive what's he's apart of outside of the fact that it's clearly broken.

On the flip side of that, the team was composed of workman like players, guys who's individual talent levels were basically mediocre, but guys who brought a positive attitude to the game and could at times become a "sum is greater than the parts" type of unit. There was significant tension between this group of players and the faction of the team who bought into Carmelo's bipolar cult. A couple of the players probably weren't even always sure to which group they belonged.

These tensions came to a head in several close games where the Knicks would inexplicably collapse in the 4th quarter, when the team would naturally lean heavily on the cultist practices of the school of Carmelo Anthony. But perhaps there was no better example of the tension than when Coach Hornacek would empower his workman like players in the fourth quarter and the Knicks would win. There's no surer sign of a broken culture then when success is met with disdain. On one particular night that sticks out in my mind, Hornacek benched Rose and Jennings for the entire 4th in favor of Ron Baker, who at the time had played extremely limited minutes. Baker gave a pure effort and as the 12th man, pushed the Knicks to a close victory. To my eyes the tensions were immediately obvious, especially in Rose who was visibly annoyed on the bench. Shortly after that he no showed a game without giving the team notice. It seemed clear to me what was happening, Baker's workman like effort exposed to all members of the team the futility of the culture that was being cultivated by the teams marquee player. Carmelo, being the likable and marketable brand that he is, had considerable power over the fate of this team, and Hornacek and Baker had subtly sent a message that probably no one wanted to speak aloud: we don't need the ball in the hands of our marquee players in the fourth to win games. At several points throughout the season players like Baker, Holiday, Willy and O'Quinn would make this clear. Yet the culture that Carmelo had made his career on, the culture of the hot hand, continued to fight for spiritual control of this team, to devastating effect on young, impressionable and relatively unknown, unmarketable and mediocre NBA role players.

I think Phil acknowledged this much during his press conference. I could go on about how the toxic relationship between the media and there Knicks organization perpetuates this cycle and is damaging to the psyche of developing players, but I think we get the point by now.

The media wants to make this about the triangle offense, but what it's really about is the failed Carmelo Anthony experiment, and the inability of a young team to establish a healthy identity when the marquee player doesn't embody any of the qualities management wants to emphasize. Phil made a bad choice resigning Carmelo, and when he's traded everyone will be better off for it.
 

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I'm at the point where i have told myself that I can't be invested in this team anymore. The owner is crazy, the team president who was hired to change the culture had somehow done everything in his power to damage relationships and alienate future players, especially with his insane insistence on the archaic triangle... I'm busy praying for the day Dolan says something racist on tape or something, just so he's forced to sell the team. I know it'll never happen though. :to:
 
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