My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread

[DPresidential]

We should have made that trade brehs.

Breh,

We absolutely should not have traded Rubio for Rose straight up.

We had leverage and it was right for Phil not to budge. If up until the 25th hour, Phil stood strong on having an asset come w/ Rubio and folded to do the straight up trade, he'd essentially be who Offset was talking about when he said "fukking on ya bish, she a thot, thot, thot."

Rubio's contract was a negative for the Wolves. His play was a negative, as well. Rose's expiring was a BIG positive for them and they wanted Rose and his expiring WAY more than we wanted Rubio and an asset.

It was a proper evolution from him when you think about the Chandler/Calderon trade. (Which I admit I tried to be optimistic about. 'Sgust)

GMs talk. Come offseason, hopefully they'll engage trade talks with us considering they know we won't budge for bullshyt.

 

[I.V.]

On realgm there's a thread on Frank Nkitilina who probably will be there when we pick. and a lot of guys in the thread are Euros who watch him a lot

There's a consensus that he's a sg not a pg and not a very good finisher or shooter. That's not a guy I want if the descriptions accurate

Thoughts on this guy @I.V. ?

I've talked about Ntilikina a bunch on here. Big point guard, who projects out as a smooth PnR guy, with really good defensive potential. He changes gears and speeds well, but does not necessarily have elite quickness or explosion, but he's a great athlete.

And actually, his shooting is much better than his rep. A lot of people just give him the same scouting report they gave Schroeder -- but Frank can shoot. And has confidence. It's not the quickest release, but it's not slow. And his form is good. Tjarks did a decent writeup of him here. The biggest problem I see is that he doesn't beat guys one on one off the dribble. He doesn't have that suddeness from a dead-stop to blow by another guard.

I don't know that he's a star, but he could be a very good point guard. I think if you're hoping for a Fultz/Ball/Smith kind of player -- well that is disappointing. But when you compare him to say, Fox -- Fox can't fukking shoot at all, AND is going to have physical shortcomings. To me, that's much scarier than a guy like Ntilikina.

That said, If we're in the 8 slot... is frank my first choice? I don't know. I'd have to know how the board fell. But drafting him certainly would not be a disaster. He'll provide a team with a TON of lineup possibilities, due to his size and experience playing off the ball.

 

[Frump]

This is one of the reasons we need a high pick.

We desperately need assets. Nobody wants our garbage and if they do all where getting in return is their garbage

 

[I.V.]

Rubio's contract was a negative for the Wolves. His play was a negative, as well.

His team consistently plays and defends better with him on the floor, and there are a LOT of statistics to back that up.

Just, as long as we're talking about this stuff. Let's keep it factually relevant.

His contract is a very good deal, relative to the market.
He's still young.
He's a far better passer than Rose.
He'd be a better fit with KP/Wily/Etc.
He's a much better defender than rose.
He is a better 3pt shooter.
He's much worse shooting around the basket.
He has an injury history.

 

[DPresidential]

@I.V. Do you see any of the same issues I see w/ respect to Porzingis' screens/picks?

From what I see, he never truly commits to the pick and is already on the move before it happens. The only way I can describe it is like when a person is supposed to extend their arm and punch through a target when they throw a punch but he's erroneously snapping his arm back right when he feels contact.

I'm wondering if I'm crazy about what I'm seeing.

 

[nomoreneveragain]

Incompetence

Phil is in over his head here.

Hire Hinkie/Kupchuk

He obviously wants to be with Jeanie Buss

 

[DPresidential]

His team consistently plays and defends better with him on the floor, and there are a LOT of statistics to back that up.

Just, as long as we're talking about this stuff. Let's keep it factually relevant.

His contract is a very good deal, relative to the market.
He's still young.
He's a far better passer than Rose.
He'd be a better fit with KP/Wily/Etc.
He's a much better defender than rose.
He is a better 3pt shooter.
He's much worse shooting around the basket.
He has an injury history.

No, breh, I absolutely agree. I was for the trade. I absolutely believe he'd have been a positive and I do agree about his contract.

I'm speaking from the context of being in the 25th hour of negotiations and if Thibs would have gotten what he wanted from day one of negotiations whereas Phil was staunchly opposed to a straight up swap and wanted to meet in the middle some where... it probably serves him not to fold considering he's probably shooting for a PG in the draft and see what his trade options are during the offseason.

Had he folded, I think it would have contributed to his already damaged rep of bad transactions.

Edit:

I believe I may have been misinterpreted. When I said his play is a negative, I meant, apparently from the perspective of what the Wolves coaching wanted him to do/be.

 

[Frump]

I've talked about Ntilikina a bunch on here. Big point guard, who projects out as a smooth PnR guy, with really good defensive potential. He changes gears and speeds well, but does not necessarily have elite quickness or explosion, but he's a great athlete.

And actually, his shooting is much better than his rep. A lot of people just give him the same scouting report they gave Schroeder -- but Frank can shoot. And has confidence. It's not the quickest release, but it's not slow. And his form is good. Tjarks did a decent writeup of him here. The biggest problem I see is that he doesn't beat guys one on one off the dribble. He doesn't have that suddeness from a dead-stop to blow by another guard.

I don't know that he's a star, but he could be a very good point guard. I think if you're hoping for a Fultz/Ball/Smith kind of player -- well that is disappointing. But when you compare him to say, Fox -- Fox can't fukking shoot at all, AND is going to have physical shortcomings. To me, that's much scarier than a guy like Ntilikina.

That said, If we're in the 8 slot... is frank my first choice? I don't know. I'd have to know how the board fell. But drafting him certainly would not be a disaster. He'll provide a team with a TON of lineup possibilities, due to his size and experience playing off the ball.

Jrue Holiday ish?

 

[DPresidential]

Well, the point was moot...

Phil actually was going to do it. This was on the Wolves.

 

[The War Report]

And The Knicks get their culo blasted tonight. :mjmmm:

 

[Frump]

Welp let's be honest here fellas the fate of our future relies on getting lucky with lotto balls

Where not getting better through any other avenue so if it's not the draft then we're fukked

 

[RickyGQ]

It was a no lose situation, unless we did a Kings type of thing. We ended up not getting fleeced. That's a positive.

Although we don't flip Rose for a pick or young asset, we have a contract coming off the books to the tune of $20m, it appears. I understand what @Malta has been saying about not getting hopes up for a great star signing. At this point, I don't ever see that happening w/ Phil here BUT...

I imagine the $20 mill going to young, solid role players.

The way we are currently constructed and knowing that Rose will ramp up playing for his contract, I expect much of the same we've seen. I also expect Melo to be gone in the offseason - which is what most GMs apparently believed will be the true moment of transition for the Melo era.

We can now look forward to the end of this season and the impending draft.

I expect my long term hope would be for us to have a serviceable draft position that gives us something that helps KP tremendously. My short term Knicks fan love will still hope, in a game that's tied with 4 seconds left, that we win that particular game because it feels good to see that shot fall. So sorry in advance.

Problem is, we don't actually have 20 mill in cap next season. It's something like 14. That's not really enough to get something good. At least we would have Rubio can could have drafted either a PG to play alongside him and eventually ahead of him or a really good wing for the future. Now we HAVE to draft a pg or else we're left with possibly BJ as a starter.

 

[ThaBronxBully]

Wonder What Happened W The Lee Clippers Deal

 

[Montez]

Only thing I'm mad about is not acquiring picks but this doesn't hurt The Tank

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]