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I found a great article about the gentrification on Franklin ave in Crown Heights Brooklyn


It wasn’t long after Crow Hill’s beatification blitz that white people began moving into the neighborhood. By 2008, the white population, though still a minority, had become a noticeable presence. Some got mugged, says resident Mike Fagan, a forty-three-year-old employee at a social service agency who is white and has lived in the neighborhood since 2003.
“There was a period,” Fagan said, “when the neighborhood attracted young, naïve white people who were mugged pretty frequently because they lacked street smarts and they couldn’t perceive risk. They brought an attention,” he added.
That “attention” was further heightened during the summer of 2009, when a string of fatal black-on-black shootings rattled the neighborhood. Concerned residents, local elected officials, and the Crow Hill Community Association (whose members declined requests to be interviewed for this story) made a vigorous, and successful, push to reapply an increased police presence, known in N.Y.P.D.-speak as an “Impact Zone.”


Some in the neighborhood say that Franklin Avenue was targeted from the start. Others believe the Impact Zone has come and gone, and come back again. Nearly everyone interviewed for this story agreed that the community’s reaction to the muggings and shootings of 2009 had a re-energizing effect on it. Police officers became a regular presence on the avenue, standing at street corners and creating an environment in which criminal behavior could not go unnoticed. For some, the surge in cops seemed suspicious, as if it was designed to hasten the change.
“It’s kind of like, ‘Wow, you didn’t come before when we were calling, but now you’re here everyday,” said Craig, a forty-year-old black man who has lived in the neighborhood for seventeen years. “When out here was rough, if you called the police you was lucky if they came at all.”
Other residents reject the notion.
“A real cynic would say it’s about policing the street for development,” said Nick Juravich, a twenty-eight-year-old urban history PhD candidate at Columbia University. “But it’s more complex than that,” added Juravich, a neighborhood resident since 2008, who is white, and the author of the I Love Franklin Avenue blog. “It’s about who can speak to the police and who can navigate the channels of communication.”
Whatever the politics of the Impact Zone, it worked. Street corner drug handoffs and gunplay are now rare occurrences on Franklin Avenue. But many say its tactics have proved antagonistic. Some residents say the police officers bring a “war zone” mentality to their beat.

Often, these conversations come back to race. Some white women say they used to endure racially tinged catcalls from men in the neighborhood, but not so much any more. Conversely, some long-term black and West Indian residents say they continue to feel cold-shouldered by white newcomers.
“White people pass by here, and they’re talking, but they won’t talk to you,” said Edward, a Trinidadian-born property owner in his sixties who went on to perform a pantomime of a white person passing a black person—suddenly speeding up and averting eye contact.
“Ah come on!” he said, exasperated. “Let me tell you something. I’ve lived here thirty-seven years, and now I start to see white people moving in. And I’m telling you the truth now, I start to feel like…‘But why are all these people moving in? And I think to myself, ‘Ah shyt!’ The changes around here’—the police start to change; all this other shyt, all these bicycle things, bicycle stands. All these changes the last two or three years, and I say, ‘But why?”



A look below the surface in gentrifying Crown Heights | Narratively
 

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Some in the neighborhood say that Franklin Avenue was targeted from the start. Others believe the Impact Zone has come and gone, and come back again. Nearly everyone interviewed for this story agreed that the community’s reaction to the muggings and shootings of 2009 had a re-energizing effect on it. Police officers became a regular presence on the avenue, standing at street corners and creating an environment in which criminal behavior could not go unnoticed. For some, the surge in cops seemed suspicious, as if it was designed to hasten the change.
“It’s kind of like, ‘Wow, you didn’t come before when we were calling, but now you’re here everyday,” said Craig, a forty-year-old black man who has lived in the neighborhood for seventeen years. “When out here was rough, if you called the police you was lucky if they came at all.”
Other residents reject the notion.
“A real cynic would say it’s about policing the street for development,” said Nick Juravich, a twenty-eight-year-old urban history PhD candidate at Columbia University. “But it’s more complex than that,” added Juravich, a neighborhood resident since 2008, who is white, and the author of the I Love Franklin Avenue blog. “It’s about who can speak to the police and who can navigate the channels of communication.”
Whatever the politics of the Impact Zone, it worked. Street corner drug handoffs and gunplay are now rare occurrences on Franklin Avenue. But many say its tactics have proved antagonistic. Some residents say the police officers bring a “war zone” mentality to their beat.I found a great article about the gentrification on Franklin ave in Crown Heights Brooklyn

Often, these conversations come back to race. Some white women say they used to endure racially tinged catcalls from men in the neighborhood, but not so much any more. Conversely, some long-term black and West Indian residents say they continue to feel cold-shouldered by white newcomers.
“White people pass by here, and they’re talking, but they won’t talk to you,” said Edward, a Trinidadian-born property owner in his sixties who went on to perform a pantomime of a white person passing a black person—suddenly speeding up and averting eye contact.
“Ah come on!” he said, exasperated. “Let me tell you something. I’ve lived here thirty-seven years, and now I start to see white people moving in. And I’m telling you the truth now, I start to feel like…‘But why are all these people moving in? And I think to myself, ‘Ah shyt!’ The changes around here’—the police start to change; all this other shyt, all these bicycle things, bicycle stands. All these changes the last two or three years, and I say, ‘But why?”

It wasn’t long after Crow Hill’s beatification blitz that white people began moving into the neighborhood. By 2008, the white population, though still a minority, had become a noticeable presence. Some got mugged, says resident Mike Fagan, a forty-three-year-old employee at a social service agency who is white and has lived in the neighborhood since 2003.
“There was a period,” Fagan said, “when the neighborhood attracted young, naïve white people who were mugged pretty frequently because they lacked street smarts and they couldn’t perceive risk. They brought an attention,” he added.
That “attention” was further heightened during the summer of 2009, when a string of fatal black-on-black shootings rattled the neighborhood. Concerned residents, local elected officials, and the Crow Hill Community Association (whose members declined requests to be interviewed for this story) made a vigorous, and successful, push to reapply an increased police presence, known in N.Y.P.D.-speak as an “Impact Zone.”


A look below the surface in gentrifying Crown Heights | Narratively

EXACTLY.

That's exactly how its going down on Franklin Ave....where 95 South is at.

But let CTK speak on their behalf as if they're speaking to us folks. :rudy:

These dudes stay in their lil enclaves, they aren't trying to be neighbors.

And don't even get me started with Po-Po and how they've practically made it an apartheid system on the Ave.
 

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Sure they can come in, but usually when they do, the disneyfying of an area comes with them, their wants being similar to their big tent Wal-Mart style wants. And its usually at the expense of the localized character that makes New York, New York.

No one wants that.
If the people in a neighborhood change, seems pretty stupid to not expect the character of the neighborhood to change with it.

Likewise "Disneyfying" is kind of a silly term. The old character of the neighborhood also included a lot of self-destruction and crime. To front like it was all good before and its all bad now is completely dishonest.
 

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EXACTLY.

That's exactly how its going down on Franklin Ave....where 95 South is at.

But let CTK speak on their behalf as if they're speaking to us folks. :rudy:

These dudes stay in their lil enclaves, they aren't trying to be neighbors.

And don't even get me started with Po-Po and how they've practically made it an apartheid system on the Ave.
If I said that 1 white guy goes out of his way to be neighborly etc you would write him off as an exception to the rule. When I said the old + new people in the neighborhood do interact in certain spaces you wrote it off. But if 1 guy agrees with your predetermined conclusions, then thats enough to be the case for everybody + completely convert your opinion to fact. Your factual weighting is incredibly convenient.
 

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If the people in a neighborhood change, seems pretty stupid to not expect the character of the neighborhood to change with it.

Likewise "Disneyfying" is kind of a silly term. The old character of the neighborhood also included a lot of self-destruction and crime. To front like it was all good before and its all bad now is completely dishonest.


And like I said...the people in less crime ridden neighborhoods are saying the same thing, so what's your excuse?

That's right. It's different for them. Crime is the sole thing that defined my neighborhood.

Typical.

The goodness of my neighborhood wasn't made by your peoples sudden appearance.
 

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If I said that 1 white guy goes out of his way to be neighborly etc you would write him off as an exception to the rule. When I said the old + new people in the neighborhood do interact in certain spaces you wrote it off. But if 1 guy agrees with your predetermined conclusions, then thats enough to be the case for everybody + completely convert your opinion to fact. Your factual weighting is incredibly convenient.

Dog...there's more than enough people in the neighborhood whose said the same thing.

My sis said that about the white couple who moved next door to her. Lived there two years and won't say a word to anyone in the building.

It's amazing to me how you seem to bypass white folks sense of entitlement thinking people must ingratiate themselves towards them. I don't care how "liberal" they think they are because they live in our neighborhood. They're not reaching out to us. They're not like my parents who had no problem mingling with people in the neighborhood. They're not allowing their kids to chill with us or have them attend our schools. They do everything to not to associate with the locals thinking as YOU stated that they're all on "the corner" and are about nothing.
 

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And like I said...the people in less crime ridden neighborhoods are saying the same thing, so what's your excuse?

The goodness of my neighborhood wasn't made by your peoples sudden appearance.
Theres always going to be resistance to change bruh. And again if half of a neighborhood's demographic changes, its stupid to not expect some type of change in the character of the neighborhood as well. You cry about these folks shutting themselves out from the neighborhood but then you cry about the neighborhood changing because of them. Which is it?

And I never said the "goodness" of "your" neighborhood (which you don't even live in anymore) was brought on solely by the changing demographic. All I am saying is lets be honest. Yes there was a different community back in the day with some positive aspects that are fading. But there are some negative aspects that are fading too which you write off anyone who acknowledges as racist or playing up "that" angle. Its corny "duke".
 

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Dog...there's more than enough people in the neighborhood whose said the same thing.

My sis said that about the white couple who moved next door to her. Lived there two years and won't say a word to anyone in the building.

It's amazing to me how you seem to bypass white folks sense of entitlement thinking people must ingratiate themselves towards them. I don't care how "liberal" they think they are because they live in our neighborhood. They're not reaching out to us. They're not like my parents who had no problem mingling with people in the neighborhood. They're not allowing their kids to chill with us or have them attend our schools. They do everything to not to associate with the locals thinking as YOU stated that they're all on "the corner" and are about nothing.
Has your sister made any effort to initiate contact with them? Or does she feel "entitled" to having newcomers prove their worthiness to her? Funny how that works
 

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I dont understand the notion that you should be obligated to deal with ppl because you move into a new neighbourhood,if you want to be reclusive thats up to you is it not ? I dont deny it somewhat turns a neighbourhood with character stale but the criticism that new folks dont congregate with the old residents is kind of lame to me....

If that trini dude was bothered by that why dont he take the initiative since its his neighbourhood to instigate dialogue with some of these ppl...IM sure alot of them newcomers felt uncomfortable or indifferent at first...
 

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Theres always going to be resistance to change bruh. And again if half of a neighborhood's demographic changes, its stupid to not expect some type of change in the character of the neighborhood as well. You cry about these folks shutting themselves out from the neighborhood but then you cry about the neighborhood changing because of them. Which is it?

And I never said the "goodness" of "your" neighborhood (which you don't even live in anymore) was brought on solely by the changing demographic. All I am saying is lets be honest. Yes there was a different community back in the day with some positive aspects that are fading. But there are some negative aspects that are fading too which you write off anyone who acknowledges as racist or playing up "that" angle. Its corny "duke".

You can mock me with your uncomfortable getting your bike taken ass, but you pretty much stayed defining my old neighborhood along "crime ridden" "hanging on the corner" lines.


Dont front. If you're one stupid enough to let a crack head take your bike, I'm certain you'd be uncomfortable being around a bunch of locals in 95 South. You reflect the exact mentality of the white hipsters, thinking speaking once to someone means neighborhood outreach but it really isn't about anything.

Your definition of my hood before you got there throughout this thread leaned on crime....as if there was nothing good coming out of there or it having a distinctive character like any other neighborhood.

Maybe if I felt the same way I feel now growing up in Carroll Gardens, you'd take a different approach knowing you couldn't fallback on that crime linchpin you keep handing onto.

My neighborhood had beauty outside the shyt filled boundaries you keep sticking to it...."DUKE."

fukk outta here trying to mock me knowing you have no history of posting that way. Stay in your wonder bread lane.
 

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Has your sister made any effort to initiate contact with them? Or does she feel "entitled" to having newcomers prove their worthiness to her? Funny how that works

Of course she feels entitled....you SAID so. :heh:

Second....I feel that its common courtesy to reach out your neighbors. A community is a group or society, helping each other. These newbies aren't into that.
 

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I dont understand the notion that you should be obligated to deal with ppl because you move into a new neighbourhood,if you want to be reclusive thats up to you is it not ? I dont deny it somewhat turns a neighbourhood with character stale but the criticism that new folks dont congregate with the old residents is kind of lame to me....

If that trini dude was bothered by that why dont he take the initiative since its his neighbourhood to instigate dialogue with some of these ppl...IM sure alot of them newcomers felt uncomfortable or indifferent at first...

Yeah I'm not understanding this idea that these hipsters have to be friendly or integrate into the overall community. These type of arguments have often been used against immigrants, hell in some neighborhoods in NYC they are still used against new immigrants.
 

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Williamsbridge and Baychester aint nice? Norwood/Bainbridge and Fordham too

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My nikka, you are talking out of your ass. Ain't nothing nice about my hood. Where you think all the crime in the 47th is happening? Most of the murders, rapes and robberies in the precinct are happening in wakefield, williamsbrdige and baychester. White Plains road until you go south of Allerton is run of the mill hood shyt. The houses back on Barnes, Bronxwood, Paulding and Laconia are full of raggedy hood nikkas. Baychester is right behind Edenwald and you got more wild ass jamaican nikkas running around back there.



You must be driving by in the daytime and looking at the brick fronts like, "Gee this place isn't bad" but fukk that. nikkas getting shot between gun hill and 241st every night. Police 4 deep on every corner every Tuesday and Thrusday, illegal stop and frisks and them mobile command centers pop up every once in a while. The feds locked up a bunch of nikkas within the last year or so but there's a whole crop of lil dumb nikkas with nothing to live for fighting for those old spots right now.

Not only that, all the reject section 8 nikkas getting pushed out of harlem and brooklyn are being dumped in williamsbridge and wakefield. They even building new homeless shelters out here:

Wakefield, Bronx residents seek to halt flood of homeless shelters today - NY Daily News :to:


Norwood is aight, but them spanish nikkas be bugging too. They just bodied somebody in broad daylight on Perry a few days ago.

Long story short, unless you moving to one of the 4 or 5 areas with a decent white (see: low crime) population, you better off choosing another borough.
 
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