My NYC Black Folk......Gentrification

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This is what I'm saying. Its def not as simple as just economics, but economics played a part of it. @NYCRebel , @tremonthustler , if you were a landlord of one of these buildings, what would you do? And should "BK/BX newbies" be allowed to move into "your" boroughs at all?

Keep in mind, once upon a time these folks would have or DID live in places like Park Slope, LES, shyt maybe even TriBeCa or Dumbo.... and they got priced out of there by the likes of Robert DeNiro. So the idea that this is some culture theft conspiracy, and not just people looking for a place to live they can afford, is pretty much 95% bogus. Yea when these folks move in they change the neighborhood, but so did the first of us who came to these neighborhoods... you think Nostrand Ave was lined with jerk spots, liquor stores, barber shops and West African import/export centers in the 50s

We need to stop looking at this through an "us vs them" lens and look at it through a cause + effect lens. Just like I say in those "fukk black women" threads there's no value in breaking down something as complex as the black family dynamic or gentrification into something as dishonestly simple as "victim/oppressor"

There are def a lot of factors beyond our control in these neighborhoods, but I don't think folks are being honest/fair in qualifying the intentions of many of those behind the forces.

yep it's complex issue mainly centered around economics. people swear like these hipsters/gentrifers or whatever you want to call them are rich, maybe a small few come from wealthy families, but if they were they wouldn't be moving to these neighborhoods in the first place and most of them could pay the rent they do cause of roommates something it seems like alot of people in the hood don't want to do.

 

[ogc163]

How Willie Kathryn Suggs Changed the Harlem Real-Estate Market -- New York Magazine
Whose Harlem Is It?

All you need to know about the current backlash against Harlem’s gentrification, Suggs says, comes down to the happy campers who bought at the right time and the stupid people who didn’t. Those who didn’t buy, she says, are just jealous, and Suggs never seems to miss a chance to rub it in—even if they’re black. “Black people can be racist,” she says, shooting me a coy look in the restored kitchen. “Hello? Reverend Wright? We’ve got our little racists running around. Some of them want Harlem to stay black. They actually think Harlem was built by and for black people. And we have to tell them all the time, ‘Excuse me, dear? We weren’t here. We didn’t even lay the bricks, right? Some of us worked on the subway tunnel, okay. But this was built by and for upper-middle-class white folks. We were the second and third owners. We were never—and I mean zero, nunca, never—the first owner of all these houses!”

This lady is on some shyt for real

 

[NYC Rebel]

This is what I'm saying. Its def not as simple as just economics, but economics played a part of it. @NYCRebel , @tremonthustler , if you were a landlord of one of these buildings, what would you do? And should "BK/BX newbies" be allowed to move into "your" boroughs at all?

Keep in mind, once upon a time these folks would have or DID live in places like Park Slope, LES, shyt maybe even TriBeCa or Dumbo.... and they got priced out of there by the likes of Robert DeNiro. So the idea that this is some culture theft conspiracy, and not just people looking for a place to live they can afford, is pretty much 95% bogus. Yea when these folks move in they change the neighborhood, but so did the first of us who came to these neighborhoods... you think Nostrand Ave was lined with jerk spots, liquor stores, barber shops and West African import/export centers in the 50s

We need to stop looking at this through an "us vs them" lens and look at it through a cause + effect lens. Just like I say in those "fukk black women" threads there's no value in breaking down something as complex as the black family dynamic or gentrification into something as dishonestly simple as "victim/oppressor"

There are def a lot of factors beyond our control in these neighborhoods, but I don't think folks are being honest/fair in qualifying the intentions of many of those behind the forces.

Listen...I know you're one of those hipsters who moved in my hood so you're going to be on the defensive, but at least be honest and notice the differences. We didn't make those "original" people leave the Nostrand Aves you're talking about. We didn't price them out, They chose not to live around us and left on their own accord.

The problem with these landlords is how they were willing to shortchange their longtime tenants only to move on things when these hipsters moved in. Like someone said...it's not like these hipsters are coming in with their pockets deep. NY is turning into a roomate society. But this sudden investments in these buildings and neighborhood in general that they didn't bother to use on the people that have been there the past 50 years....man please. It's deliberate as fukk.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Listen...I know you're one of those hipsters who moved in my hood so you're going to be on the defensive, but at least be honest and notice the differences. We didn't make those "original" people leave the Nostrand Aves you're talking about. We didn't price them out, They chose not to live around us and left on their own accord.

The problem with these landlords is how they were willing to shortchange their longtime tenants only to move on things when these hipsters moved in. Like someone said...it's not like these hipsters are coming in with their pockets deep. NY is turning into a roomate society. But this sudden investments in these buildings and neighborhood in general that they didn't bother to use on the people that have been there the past 50 years....man please. It's deliberate as fukk.

You are right about landlords only jumping for new tenants, and that being fukked up. I see the same thing in my current building with the rent controlled tenants, and that aspect of it isn't right.

But neither is your anger at "newbies" who "come in [and] shout "Brooklyn" as if they were there when it had flavor". As the son of immigrants you know second hand how hard it is to uproot yourself and move to a totally new place in search of opportunity. And again, you claim BK even though its not your native land, just because you had the fortune of being there "while it was live" by pure coincidence. So why the beef with the people moving in? They are doing what everyone else who comes to NY does... get in where they fit in. The anger should be with the folks pulling the strings... Bloomberg's pushing for a luxury city at the cost of everyone who can't afford to live in it, politicians like Charlie Rangel, slimy irresponsible landlords and scummy realtors like Myspace. The "hipsters" are just as much victims of the fukked up system as folks like your sister.

Speaking of Bloomberg...

http://gothamist.com/2013/01/22/first_look_inside_the_citys_new_mic.php#photo-1

 

[Silky Johnson]

sad I went to catholic school for a few years and got a good education mine weren't listed.


I'm thinking about trying to find an apartment to ren in spanish harlem or maybe the bronx in the next few months. I really don't know the bronx or if there's anything to do out there though. Need to be closer to the fdr and in 1200mo or less range.

nikkas don't move TO the bronx, you move FROM the bronx.


You can go ahead and try to move over by 138th and 3rd ave (shout out to Sin City ) if you want to

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

nikkas don't move TO the bronx, you move FROM the bronx.


You can go ahead and try to move over by 138th and 3rd ave (shout out to Sin City ) if you want to

I wouldnt go that far. I used to work with a dude who moved from KY to the BX. Dude bought the whole row of townhouses he lives in. He is somewhere in the south too, maybe the 150s-160s?

And for a minute the BX was Ghanaians point of entry into the US

If not for my wife I would prob be laying low somewhere in the BX.

 

[Francis White]

Gentrification started long before Jay got super big.

I saw it coming when they put up new lights on Eastern Parkway back in 1990. It's a slow process...one person isn't a catalyst, so please, stop with these ridiculous theories.

Leave him be to being a puppet for Bruce Ratner and the Nets and a Marcy sellout...but don't give him THAT much props.

Christ...

Thank you for being the voice of reason, blaming Jay Z like he raised the rents, i was speaking with some guy about how if everyone stop blaming this guy or that guy and just kept our areas clean, and showed pride in it, there would be less of a problem, bottom line, the better jobs we have, the better education, the better we live.

 

[Silky Johnson]

I wouldnt go that far. I used to work with a dude who moved from KY to the BX. Dude bought the whole row of townhouses he lives in. He is somewhere in the south too, maybe the 150s-160s?

And for a minute the BX was Ghanaians point of entry into the US

If not for my wife I would prob be laying low somewhere in the BX.

Bruh, I've been in the X my whole life...moved out the hood a few years but my fam still there. My part of town is where they dumping all the section 8 nikkas that got pushed outta BK and Harlem.. shyt gets worse by the minute...they don't even have seats in the chinese food or chicken stores anymore

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Bruh, I've been in the X my whole life...moved out the hood a few years but my fam still there. My part of town is where they dumping all the section 8 nikkas that got pushed outta BK and Harlem.. shyt gets worse by the minute...they don't even have seats in the chinese food or chicken stores anymore

I will take your word for it

 

[NYC Rebel]

You are right about landlords only jumping for new tenants, and that being fukked up. I see the same thing in my current building with the rent controlled tenants, and that aspect of it isn't right.

But neither is your anger at "newbies" who "come in [and] shout "Brooklyn" as if they were there when it had flavor". As the son of immigrants you know second hand how hard it is to uproot yourself and move to a totally new place in search of opportunity. And again, you claim BK even though its not your native land, just because you had the fortune of being there "while it was live" by pure coincidence. So why the beef with the people moving in? They are doing what everyone else who comes to NY does... get in where they fit in. The anger should be with the folks pulling the strings... Bloomberg's pushing for a luxury city at the cost of everyone who can't afford to live in it, politicians like Charlie Rangel, slimy irresponsible landlords and scummy realtors like Myspace. The "hipsters" are just as much victims of the fukked up system as folks like your sister.

Speaking of Bloomberg...

First Look Inside NYC's Tiny New "Micro-Unit" Apartments, Creepy Old Man Ghost Included: Gothamist

My anger with these newbies is their self entitlement behavior,

Dog...I'm born and raised in Brooklyn. Why won't I claim that as my native land? That's not a slap in the face of my cultural lineage, but that's where I spilled blood. That "flavor" I speak of was an amalgamation of cultures that made the borough what it was. It wasn't me "happening" to be there. I was a part of it. Unlike a lot of these newbies who in their whining and their inconsiderate attitudes of self entitlement do little to be a part of it. They rather stay outside of it, stay in their little enclaves until everything is shaped to their likings. And you see that every time you come in the hood.

So please...don't dare put my parents in that bracket. They didn't move here with that attitude.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

My anger with these newbies is their self entitlement behavior,

Dog...I'm born and raised in Brooklyn. Why won't I claim that as my native land? That's not a slap in the face of my cultural lineage, but that's where I spilled blood. That "flavor" I speak of was an amalgamation of cultures that made the borough what it was. It wasn't me "happening" to be there. I was a part of it. Unlike a lot of these newbies who in their whining and their inconsiderate attitudes of self entitlement do little to be a part of it. They rather stay outside of it, stay in their little enclaves until everything is shaped to their likings. And you see that every time you come in the hood.

So please...don't dare put my parents in that bracket. They didn't move here with that attitude.

You are making a lot of assumptions about these folks. And being born there doesn't make you the gatekeeper. I am not saying there isn't legitimate reason for anger, but a "hipster" opening a coffee shop isn't one of them. People want businesses they frequent in the neighborhoods they live in. Again, everything you "know" BK to be was not there a not very long time ago. There was a time all the places you deem to be staples were new. NY is constantly changing, it should be no surprise that neighborhoods not owned by the folks living in them would be subject to that change.

 

[NYC Rebel]

You are making a lot of assumptions about these folks. And being born there doesn't make you the gatekeeper. I am not saying there isn't legitimate reason for anger, but a "hipster" opening a coffee shop isn't one of them. People want businesses they frequent in the neighborhoods they live in. Again, everything you "know" BK to be was not there a not very long time ago. There was a time all the places you deem to be staples were new. NY is constantly changing, it should be no surprise that neighborhoods not owned by the folks living in them would be subject to that change.

I'm not making any assumptions about these folks.

Do I see their kids hanging out with the kids from my neighborhood?

Not ALL kids in my neighborhood are hood. My parents, nor did the parents of others didn't keep us insulated. These guys stay to themselves.

Please...don't align my peeps and the peeps before us to these newbies. They aren't us and never want to be one of us. It always takes one of our own going into their inner circle rather than joining ours.

 

[ogc163]

I'm not making any assumptions about these folks.

Do I see their kids hanging out with the kids from my neighborhood?

Not ALL kids in my neighborhood are hood. My parents, nor did the parents of others didn't keep us insulated. These guys stay to themselves.

Please...don't align my peeps and the peeps before us to these newbies. They aren't us and never want to be one of us. It always takes one of our own going into their inner circle rather than joining ours.

People say/said the same thing about Mexicans in Cali, hell the Puerto Rican lady in the video I posted was saying similiar things about Mexicans in East Harlem. But overall if these folks want to stay to themselves, what is the problem?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

We are just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one fam.

 

[john goodman]

No offense but I doubt reb even lives in bk anymore

People left the hood just as fast as new people moved in... many are happy to leave