My NYC Black Folk......Gentrification

[tremonthustler1]

Here in the BX, I never heard anything bad about Fordham Hill Apartments

9 Fordham Hill Oval Unit 3E Bronx NY | Douglas Elliman

I recommend that spot. Very convenient. Manhattan's just down the hill. BAD Fordham bytches every weekend.

Matter of fact, @JMurder, you can tell him more about the perks of this gated community

 

[NYC Rebel]

Yeah, I think a whole lot of people who do not go through it first hand have no clue why it bothers us. There is this hotspot near new york-presbyterian hospital from around 165th street (by the Wendy's) to about 175th street (Broadway-Fort Washington) where you can just see how the tide is slowly turning toward attracting hipsters more than anything else. There is this new building being built on 173rd street and Wadsworth Avenue and I have been curious to see how the pricing in there will be.

The newly open apartments in the building my mom lives in now puts in stainless steel appliances, fixes the cabinets, and charges about 2K for people to move in...who do you think they are targeting at this point? Got an apartment in the building already and need a replacement? Dog you are getting a white USED fridge and an old white stove/oven to work with. My mom JUST needed her fridge replaced and was replaced with another old white fridge because "its what she had already"

That shyt pisses me the fukk OFF. My sis dumb ass just gave up our apartment of 30 plus years In crown Heights, right across the street from Brooklyn botanic garden. The second she moved, the bullshyt metal kitchen cabinet, shyty sink, bathroom, everything revamped and made new. My best friend who lived up the street moms was given 5gs to move out her crib. I walk past their old apartment and can see these beautiful wood stained kitchen cabinets through the beautifully hated first floor window.

I can't tell you how steamed it makes me. Then for these newbies to come in, shout "Brooklyn" as if they were there when it had flavor, living off its fumes.

Annoying as fukk.....

 

[Binary]

This makes me upset.

 

[88m3]

That shyt pisses me the fukk OFF. My sis dumb ass just gave up our apartment of 30 plus years In crown Heights, right across the street from Brooklyn botanic garden. The second she moved, the bullshyt metal kitchen cabinet, shyty sink, bathroom, everything revamped and made new. My best friend who lived up the street moms was given 5gs to move out her crib. I walk past their old apartment and can see these beautiful wood stained kitchen cabinets through the beautifully hated first floor window.

I can't tell you how steamed it makes me. Then for these newbies to come in, shout "Brooklyn" as if they were there when it had flavor, living off its fumes.

Annoying as fukk.....

that's messed up
@ogc163 good looks

 

[69 others]

That shyt pisses me the fukk OFF. My sis dumb ass just gave up our apartment of 30 plus years In crown Heights, right across the street from Brooklyn botanic garden. The second she moved, the bullshyt metal kitchen cabinet, shyty sink, bathroom, everything revamped and made new. My best friend who lived up the street moms was given 5gs to move out her crib. I walk past their old apartment and can see these beautiful wood stained kitchen cabinets through the beautifully hated first floor window.

I can't tell you how steamed it makes me. Then for these newbies to come in, shout "Brooklyn" as if they were there when it had flavor, living off its fumes.

Annoying as fukk.....

on washington by the parkway? man i really like that strip on washington after the parkway and that school going down the hill. it's right next to the garden, around the corner from the museum, and the park is a block away plus it's kinda tucked in with not too much foot traffic. when i was looking for an apartment i went up and down that strip looking to see if there were any apartments available.

i feel you though but you got to remember it's an investment for the building owner. they''l spend money on new shyt to attract high paying tenants so they can recoup the cost.

 

[NYC Rebel]

on washington by the parkway? man i really like that strip on washington after the parkway and that school going down the hill. it's right next to the garden, around the corner from the museum, and the park is a block away plus it's kinda tucked in with not too much foot traffic. when i was looking for an apartment i went up and down that strip looking to see if there were any apartments available.

i feel you though but you got to remember it's an investment for the building owner. they''l spend money on new shyt to attract high paying tenants so they can recoup the cost.

It's right across the street from that HS on a dead end block with a bridge going over the subway

 

[Izanami]

One of the main mascots for this shyt.

 

[Jone2three45]

One of the main mascots for this shyt.

I was waiting for someone to say this,
it's true.

 

[Black Magisterialness]

The hood sucks, but gentrification is like having someone come to your house and fix the leaky faucet, the hole in your ceiling, the shytty paint job, getting an exterminator to kill those rats and roaches, and even fixing the insulation for those cold winter nights only to charge your ass 5x what it was worth to still live there once that person's done fixing everything. Once you can't, you're forced to move and some white family comes in, so therefore everything they fixed in your home you couldn't even stick around to enjoy. For that, I might as well keep my home and deal with the shyt in it the way I have my entire life.

Fixing the problem isn't the issue. It's knowing that the problem won't be fixed for your benefit that makes people cling to the crap they have as opposed to the good things they won't have.

yeah but YOU didn't fix it. I get it, but i was raised by a single parent who got her shyt together and took care of her home only to have it drop by half in value because of the housing market/hood got worse/city got worse. Gentrification happens when people stop caring for their own homes and communities. I can tell you right now, Rosedale Park /Sherwood Forrest/University/Indian Village in Detroit...these hoods aren't getting gentrified...why? Because the black folks in those hoods took care of their shyt...

I understand the argument i really do, but i can't help but think that at some point we stopped caring as a people and this is a result.

 

[tremonthustler1]

yeah but YOU didn't fix it. I get it, but i was raised by a single parent who got her shyt together and took care of her home only to have it drop by half in value because of the housing market/hood got worse/city got worse. Gentrification happens when people stop caring for their own homes and communities. I can tell you right now, Rosedale Park /Sherwood Forrest/University/Indian Village in Detroit...these hoods aren't getting gentrified...why? Because the black folks in those hoods took care of their shyt...

I understand the argument i really do, but i can't help but think that at some point we stopped caring as a people and this is a result.

Oh I agree there's an element where we don't care for each other and we don't show it til someone else wants to force us all out, but I also think the hood is filled with a lot of hard working people that try to make do with what they have. They can't help the inherent disadvantages they have (in this case, I mean geographically, which is why the BX ultimately could never have the kind of gentrification BK or Harlem could ever have). This is NYC where the cost of living is higher than what our little communities can rummage up to support each other. Sometimes you can't just wake up one day and pool together hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep something going (like what I just posted regarding the schools)

And real talk, gentrification happens when bigger corporations see monetary gain in a specific territory. The racial aspect is coincidental (lower Manhattan got gentrified and all walks of life lived there prior to it, so it's not just a racial thing). The last few areas that have undergone it throughout the city happen to have some of the biggest minority populations though, so when that happens it gets people a little angrier. An area like the BX happens to be one of the last "safe havens" because the overwhelming majority of the borough is just minority, and after seeing what has happened to Harlem and BK, people band together in a weird way. If fukking up your neighborhood means keeping your neighborhood, so be it.

That said, we should strive to get out of that situation and better ourselves financially because one day I'd like to make an ungodly amount of money and have the option of settling where I grew up at. That can't come without major improvements, improvements that my community is slow to commit to. It's one of the few things I envy about well off white people. They can literally spend their entire life in the same neighborhood and live well. It would be awesome if I grew up in the BX, got rich and said my generation and those after me could live comfy here. Sadly, you can count the areas in the BX where you can legitimately do that on one hand.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

blame the people that owned and/or occupied the property prior to the changes. they lowered the value.

real estate is like any other investment and people want a ROI. It is what it is. Instead of people complaining they should strive to be able to afford to live where they want and be comfortable. And the whole of NYC is overrated if you ask me. the weather is shytty for 1/2 the year, traffic sucks, the commute sucks, the beaches suck and everything is overpriced.

 

[Wild self]

One of the main mascots for this shyt.

its true. Jay is the mascot for the gentrification of BK. Now the hood nikkas that he shouted out are mostly in Jersey or in random places in the south. In another 10 years, NYC as a whole is gonna be a tourist/ hippie/ corporate city and nothing else. It ain't never coming back at this point caused we reached the point of no return.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

blame the people that owned and/or occupied the property prior to the changes. they lowered the value.

real estate is like any other investment and people want a ROI. It is what it is. Instead of people complaining they should strive to be able to afford to live where they want and be comfortable. And the whole of NYC is overrated if you ask me. the weather is shytty for 1/2 the year, traffic sucks, the commute sucks, the beaches suck and everything is overpriced.

This is what I'm saying. Its def not as simple as just economics, but economics played a part of it. @NYCRebel , @tremonthustler , if you were a landlord of one of these buildings, what would you do? And should "BK/BX newbies" be allowed to move into "your" boroughs at all?

Keep in mind, once upon a time these folks would have or DID live in places like Park Slope, LES, shyt maybe even TriBeCa or Dumbo.... and they got priced out of there by the likes of Robert DeNiro. So the idea that this is some culture theft conspiracy, and not just people looking for a place to live they can afford, is pretty much 95% bogus. Yea when these folks move in they change the neighborhood, but so did the first of us who came to these neighborhoods... you think Nostrand Ave was lined with jerk spots, liquor stores, barber shops and West African import/export centers in the 50s

We need to stop looking at this through an "us vs them" lens and look at it through a cause + effect lens. Just like I say in those "fukk black women" threads there's no value in breaking down something as complex as the black family dynamic or gentrification into something as dishonestly simple as "victim/oppressor"

There are def a lot of factors beyond our control in these neighborhoods, but I don't think folks are being honest/fair in qualifying the intentions of many of those behind the forces.

 

[ogc163]

The Berserkonomics of One Rent-Stabilized Apartment Building -- New York Magazine

The Berserkonomics of One Rent-Stabilized Apartment Building

 

[NYC Rebel]

its true. Jay is the mascot for the gentrification of BK. Now the hood nikkas that he shouted out are mostly in Jersey or in random places in the south. In another 10 years, NYC as a whole is gonna be a tourist/ hippie/ corporate city and nothing else. It ain't never coming back at this point caused we reached the point of no return.

Gentrification started long before Jay got super big.

I saw it coming when they put up new lights on Eastern Parkway back in 1990. It's a slow process...one person isn't a catalyst, so please, stop with these ridiculous theories.

Leave him be to being a puppet for Bruce Ratner and the Nets and a Marcy sellout...but don't give him THAT much props.

Christ...