My NYC Black Folk......Gentrification

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Nigerian how many times are you going to post that blurry ass picture of that ill fitting suit

You are so desperate for props, it breaks my heart

 

[Xtraz2]

 

[john goodman]

Nigerian how many times are you going to post that blurry ass picture of that ill fitting suit

You are so desperate for props, it breaks my heart

You think its ill fitting?

I'm not a tailor but it looks like it fits right to me...



and I'll say this about new York, at this point in 2012 it's a lame ass city full of Midwestern lames and boring finance people. The hip scene is moving to Berlin and Philly... You're just not going to have interesting young people there if a studio in a shytty neighborhood cost 2 gs. New yorks time as a cool place came and went

 

[Black Hans]

it just irks me when i see these f*cking hipsters because they basically coming from towns west and north of here with their money from mommy and daddy, jacking up the rent and forcing people that lived there for years OUT of town. i have a huge problem with that. these are the same people whose parents and grandparents did the whole white flight thing. they were told by their mommy and daddy to stay away from brooklyn because it was dangerous and were filled with black people who couldn't control themselves. all of a sudden, some kid has some balls to move to brooklyn where he basically takes over a block and some other kids do the same thing where they basically are cleaning out a neighborhood for them and people that are like them. if there's one thing that i've noticed, i've noticed that these hipsters are usually a bunch of white people that try to front like they're open minded but are in reality, ignorant as f*ck. that's my issue with them. you basically run the people that lived there for years so you can be trendy or whatever the f*ck. f*ck these hipsters.

 

[Black Hans]

People complain about the hood being white washed.... but look at Chinatown. Those motherfukkers came, got their money up, bought their buildings, and own their neighborhood. They got skrenfh. We should have been building that strength over the last few decades.

That's why I have no sympathy for NYers in this situation. Especially Harlem. How are you living in the unofficial capitol of the world with all that damn opportunity in that city and all you trying to be is a damn thug with a neighborhood that's looking?

 

[The Nigerian]

You think its ill fitting?

I'm not a tailor but it looks like it fits right to me...



and I'll say this about new York, at this point in 2012 it's a lame ass city full of Midwestern lames and boring finance people. The hip scene is moving to Berlin and Philly... You're just not going to have interesting young people there if a studio in a shytty neighborhood cost 2 gs. New yorks time as a cool place came and went

I don't know about Philly, except for there being a huge market for opiates, but Berlin has seen its hey-day of being a place to find "cool." That isn't to say that it's bad but the city has lost a lot of edge since the fall of the wall.

During the last DEMF I had a chance to catch up with a few of my Euro friends and they all agreed that Detroit is actually the new Berlin. Cheap rent, lots of grant money for creatives, and there's a strong tech presence as well.

Also, all of my suits are expertly tailored. I get a lot of undue hate on this forum. Pay the haters no mind.

 

[john goodman]

I don't know about Philly, except for there being a huge market for opiates, but Berlin has seen its hey-day of being a place to find "cool." That isn't to say that it's bad but the city has lost a lot of edge since the fall of the wall.

During the last DEMF I had a chance to catch up with a few of my Euro friends and they all agreed that Detroit is actually the new Berlin. Cheap rent, lots of grant money for creatives, and there's a strong tech presence as well.

I've heard that about Detroit but I don't buy it...

1. Weather sucks

2. City is god awful

3. Not close to any other city

4. No public transit

I see no reason why artists would want to live there besides the fact that it's free. I'm sure it's attracting some people but I'd be shocked if there was a ton of em

Philly is getting them because we already have a big scene, they can get to ny no prob to sell art, rent is dirt cheap, public transit is great etc. philly's been exploding with ny artists lately while ny has been exploding with rich posers.

 

[DreadHead P]

last time i was home i wento to kick it in BK, i was chillin on Myrtle ave and i was like cause there was all these white people walkin great danes and swingin tennis rackets and shyt. same shyt happenin in JC, the neighborhood i grew up in has 3 projetcts within a 10 block radius, but theres also an old factory they converted into condos that are sellin for like half a mill at the lowest, rich cacs all ova my hood now

 

[Broke Wave]

Theres a lot of old Chinese savings banks in Chinatown. Country of China has a much higher saving rate than all of America, especially blacks. Not sure what evidence you need



How is someone of AA descent of our age any better equipped for the discussion? They are going from the same historic info and hearsay that we are

It is not like we (well me at least) don't have some level of deep interaction with African Americans either.



How were the Chinese able to charter banks and buy property in a discriminatory environment similar to that of blacks at the time? They did not come to the East Coast with boatloads of capital, the majority of them came broke in search of work just like black people did. And there were black people accumulating wealth during this time as well. Am I arguing that the environments were comparable in difficulty? No, but at the same time it would not have been impossible for us to pool $$$$ and consolidate power, especially in the wake of the Civil Rights Act

As for the top. The savings rate of China=/= Chinese Americans. Also there is no evidence to suggest what you said, so I'm going to discount it.

2nd I am not saying that we are less or more equipped to discuss this based on our racial/cultural orientation, that is fallacious. I was just saying that your angle of saying "we should have" "we could have" is wrong, because you refer back to a totally different experience, as do I.

Thirdly you said that the discriminatory environment was similar to that of blacks, which is totally wrong. The Chinese didn't come with boatloads of capital but they came with capital, and that's far better than coming out of slavery. Making the leap from the Civil Rights Act to the Post-Reconstruction era is too big a leap for me to cover. You cannot compare the Chinese American experience to the Black American experience, no matter how much you want to correlate success to cultural factors, it cannot be done.

 

[Prince Akeem]

Country of China has a much higher saving rate than all of America, especially blacks. Not sure what evidence you need

They have to save their money because their is no social safety net in china...If they don't they are fukked.

Anyway in terms of gentrification...It just capitalism at work.

shyt when black people get they paper up they run to the burbs anyway.

 

[Prince Akeem]

As for the top. The savings rate of China=/= Chinese Americans. Also there is no evidence to suggest what you said, so I'm going to discount it.

2nd I am not saying that we are less or more equipped to discuss this based on our racial/cultural orientation, that is fallacious. I was just saying that your angle of saying "we should have" "we could have" is wrong, because you refer back to a totally different experience, as do I.

Thirdly you said that the discriminatory environment was similar to that of blacks, which is totally wrong. The Chinese didn't come with boatloads of capital but they came with capital, and that's far better than coming out of slavery. Making the leap from the Civil Rights Act to the Post-Reconstruction era is too big a leap for me to cover. You cannot compare the Chinese American experience to the Black American experience, no matter how much you want to correlate success to cultural factors, it cannot be done.

This.

You need resources and capital to build a strong community.

It always amuses me when smart dumb nikkas act like black people can do the same by simply not buying Jordans and lotto tickets.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Where is this capital supposed to come from? Do you see Chinese folks buying Jordans and lotto tickets?

Let me ask you guys, what do you think it would take for us to gain some level of independence and consolidated power? Please don't say a handout + apology from the same white power structure you blame for our predicament today

 

[Wild self]

Whoa hold up, you want blacks doing petty crime and going to jail? You want these kids not doing drugs and killing each other to do so to be "manly" in your eyes? Where is Kermit the hustler and Esau? Kermit made a point about how guys would show out and harm each other for the camera and run and help the whites move into to their apartments while they got records and limited futures, i am not down with that nonsense, you know how you scare whites? Success, being bright, not harming each other and putting others down who want do the same. That scares them more than anything negative because that is against the grain.

Don't think that I'm a sellout of any kind nor did I ever glorify any negative behavior of any kind. To some people who grew up in the old NYC, they think that the crime and ignorant shyt was cool and made them "hard." I just stated facts about how a small portion of black folk doing all the fukked up shyt and ruining it for everyone.

Back in the 90s when the likes of BK and Harlem used to be filled up with crime, no one took up the accountability to buy and own land a businesses caused they were caught up with random shyt. Now that a lot of natives are getting priced out and forced to move outside of NYC or out of state, people want to complain. The war been over and the black hipsters and white yuppies won gentrification.

 

[Broke Wave]

Where is this capital supposed to come from? Do you see Chinese folks buying Jordans and lotto tickets?

Let me ask you guys, what do you think it would take for us to gain some level of independence and consolidated power? Please don't say a handout + apology from the same white power structure you blame for our predicament today

This is what this conversation has diluted into. This is a very childish way to address a very complicated issue. How can you say "We" in this sense, when we don't even have the same problems as African Americans as a group? And without any actual facts, you're just pushing memes and stereotypes about Black culture which are simply not true.

And as for your Jordan and lotto tickets remark, talking about "a handout". Grow up and tell it to your white woman, don't talk to me like that.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

This is what this conversation has diluted into. This is a very childish way to address a very complicated issue. How can you say "We" in this sense, when we don't even have the same problems as African Americans as a group? And without any actual facts, you're just pushing memes and stereotypes about Black culture which are simply not true.

And as for your Jordan and lotto tickets remark, talking about "a handout". Grow up and tell it to your white woman, don't talk to me like that.

Fine. I am just going on what I've seen and experienced after 28 years of living in NYC and growing up with African Americans. These are not "memes and stereotypes", these are 28 years of first hand observations. But if you want to discount that, whatever. I never said that was the case for ALL AAs, but some of the things I mentioned are definitely issues for many, based on my observations.

So I ask again, what are some of the things you think African Americans need to do to consolidate their power and build wealth in this country? Should that be a priority?