My NYC Black Folk......Gentrification

[Francis White]

When dominant society says eat healthy, they mention foods like soul food as a bad food, while theirs which is low in fat, meduim carbs, medium protein is good BUT, this is wrong. Soul food is a healthy food. The greens are good for you once you take away the extra salt the pork brings. the corn bread is a good source of niacin, and carbohydrates. The saturated fat is not bad for you when you consider it's being eaten with a leafy vegetable. Iron needs saturated fat to be absorbed efficiently. The macaroni & cheese is good for you also. The organ meats are really good for you. Rice is good as it fills you up good. The extra sweet drinks need to be better though, as all that sugar is no good BUT, sweet lemon tea IS good for you. The lemon provides vitamin C, limonene, and phytonutrients from the black tea. Fried chicken is actually not that bad since when cooked properly it absorbs very little of the fat that it is cooked in. When you eat all of this together, they become even more powerful then when eaten on thier own at different times. The seafood we eat is also good, as it helps keep the brain healthy. I recognize all of this, and I'm a vegetarian so I am not being biased just because I'm black. When blacks get a good job, some education, and a better life, the first thing they do is abandon this way of eating as they look down on it, instead of looking at the ingredients and using higher quality versions. As well as do more physical exercise, and not just running.
The issue is when you eat big meals all day, and no physical exercise(resistance training, and cardio).

Why do you think black people had so much hair when we ate properly, yet women now are struggling to grow their hair?. They are eating foods that are not nutrient dense. The foods we are told to eat are not really that good unless they are ethnic foods such as italian or asian and even then italian is not the best since it has too much dairy and that isn't good for your health when used too much.

Do you know how many blacks eat margarine because they think butter is bad, when we now know butter is real good for you, and margarine is HORRIBLE? Margarine fukks up your cell membrane and makes it hard for nutrients to get absorbed. Imagine how much of our health issues are coming from that ALONE.

Again it's just food nothing more or less, didn't need this lesson , I simply stated people can cook and eat whatever they however they want. In moderation of course. Why not mix what you eat , eat soul food and eat " healthy food " when you want? Why stick with soul food only, it has it pluses and minus like all food.

 

[bouncy]

Again it's just food nothing more or less, didn't need this lesson , I simply stated people can cook and eat whatever they however they want. In moderation of course. Why not mix what you eat , eat soul food and eat " healthy food " when you want? Why stick with soul food only, it has it pluses and minus like all food.

From this post it tells me you either don't understand how culture works or you are just going against me to do it.

If what you eat is a sense of pride since it comes from your community, it plays a part in YOUR sense of pride, which plays a part in where you spend your money. If you take away an Asians food, and have him eat food that is known to be an italians food, then have him speak italian every time he speaks, you don't think that will play a part in him not supporting people who look just like him?. Food isn't just food, it is something your people/nation created, which gives a sense of pride, as well as money because, when people want to taste what your group has to offer they will patronize your restaurants, and that is more money for the community. Italian food is one major reason why Italy is known to this day, and how they generate income for their country.

People who are smart know this, while blacks like you don't, and this is how they conquer you. Look at Paula Deen. She was making MILLIONS off of recipes a black person gave her, and she called it Southern food. You need to learn how this game works if you don't think food, and language is important in keeping your community together.

 

[Francis White]

From this post it tells me you either don't understand how culture works or you are just going against me to do it.

If what you eat is a sense of pride since it comes from your community, it plays a part in YOUR sense of pride, which plays a part in where you spend your money. If you take away an Asians food, and have him eat food that is known to be an italians food, then have him speak italian every time he speaks, you don't think that will play a part in him not supporting people who look just like him?. Food isn't just food, it is something your people/nation created, which gives a sense of pride, as well as money because, when people want to taste what your group has to offer they will patronize your restaurants, and that is more money for the community. Italian food is one major reason why Italy is known to this day.

People who are smart know this, while blacks like you don't, and this is how they conquer you. Look at Paula Deen. She was making MILLIONS off of recipes a black person gave her, and she called it Southern food. You need to learn how this game works if you don't think food, and language is important in keeping your community together.

Ahh I didn't I have to be smart to eat soul food or any food. You outraged for what exactly ? Who cares about Paula Deen and the shyt she cooks? No where in my post did I say don't eat it. I just said its not that important. You mention Chinese eating Italian food, who cares ? What if we focused on more important subjects that really impact the community like lack of education and financial planning, community pride in cleaning the area and making it safe for the youth and elderly people. Providing safe child care while parents work to keep a roof over their heads. But hey to you soul food is the most thing making up the black community and that we eat it so we don't lose ourselves. Shiny ball go chase that instead deal with real issues.

 

[ZEupTWN]

As a West Indian (half) myself, I've always noticed that they tend to have more of an identity and have strong family values and work ethics. Most that come from there don't have much to go on when they move to America other than close ties with family and community. They move to cities like New York and bring their family from there over here.

But you also have to consider all of the historical financial roadblocks, social roadblocks, and educational road blocks that black people colectively have had to face in this country. Africans and West Indians might have community ties, class pull, and education in some circumstances...but still are pulled and are assimilated into the mass of the Black American society in the sight of the dominant society. We may have our distinct culture and our distinct identities, but it's not like we have collective wealth. It's a trip from third world to first world.

I think alot of it has to do with the welfare/project culture in America. It's conditioned black folks to be complacent and aspire for less when it's all provided by the government. I see a change in the younger black generations that are going to college and making money in the corporate world who are able to parlay that money into a successful bussiness or property ownership, but for the most part college is still unattainable to black folks financially on a collective level without grants and whatnot. But I guess that's the result of no collective wealth kept in the community to go around.

well said brutha...........

 

[bouncy]

Ahh I didn't I have to be smart to eat soul food or any food. You outraged for what exactly ? Who cares about Paula Deen and the shyt she cooks? No where in my post did I say don't eat it. I just said its not that important. You mention Chinese eating Italian food, who cares ? What if we focused on more important subjects that really impact the community like lack of education and financial planning, community pride in cleaning the area and making it safe for the youth and elderly people. Providing safe child care while parents work to keep a roof over their heads. But hey to you soul food is the most thing making up the black community and that we eat it so we don't lose ourselves. Shiny ball go chase that instead deal with real issues.

See now you're being funny. You're ignoring the context in which the soul food was used. Everything you named all comes from your language, and the food you eat. Look at what chineebai said Asians do even though they leave chinatown, they come back for food, and shopping. They used FOOD as their way of gaining income, then branched out to other areas, but they still come back to the food as their main staple to keep the income in their community, and keep a sense of who they are. You are trying to build a nation off of nothing. Most groups that come here, the first business they start is a food place, so why can't you see how food, and language, is VERY important to get money, which will help build up the community.

Do you think it's a coincidence that was the first thing taken away from us, along with language, when we were brought here to be slaves?. Or when we did congregate together such as church, they made sure a white person was there to know what we were talking about or they needed to know our slang. If you can't see the basic things which a community is made of, you will just keep talking like most blacks. The answer is in our face, yet because we don't like where we come from we don't see it, so we emulate our former masters since we have no FOUNDATION to follow. You ever wonder why you have so many c00ns on tv, and in corporate america now then we had when we were actually going through bullshyt?. We lost ALL of our identity. Even though we were slaves, we still had something of our own, now it is BARELY there, besides the street culture, and that is DOOMED to fail because of what it is. You can choose to be lost but, not me. I just wish I can figure out how to capitalize off of the blacks who understand this.

 

[Francis White]

See now your being funny. You're ignoring the context in which the soul food was used. Everything you named all comes from your language, and the food you eat. Look at what chineebai said Asians do even though they leave chinatown, they come back for food, and shopping. They used FOOD as their way of gaining income, then branched out to other areas, but they still come back to the food as their main staple to keep the income in their community, and keep a sense of who they are. You are trying to build a nation off of nothing. Most groups that come here, the first business they start is a food place, so why can't you see how food, and language, is VERY important to get money, which will help build up the community.

Do you think it's a coincidence that was the first thing taken away from us, along with language, when we were brought here to be slaves?. Or when we did congregate together such as church, they made sure a white person was there to know what we were talking about or they needed to know our slang. If you can't see the basic things which a community is made of, you will just keep talking like most blacks. The answer is in our face, yet because we don't like where we come from we don't see it, so we emulate our former masters since we have no FOUNDATION to follow. You ever wonder why you have so many c00ns on tv, and in corporate america now then we had when we were actually going through bullshyt?. We lost ALL of our identity. Even though we were slaves, we still had something of our own, now it is BARELY there, besides the street culture, and that is DOOMED to fail because of what it is. You can choose to be lost but, not me. I just wish I can figure out how to capitalize off of the blacks who understand this.

Preach on. Fight the power.

 

[mson]

Group economics
But fukk it, who here in NY actually wants to take action, so we can get our own businesses/schools/political influence? If so, PM me.

I'm curious but apprehensive at what you have to say. Do you have some kind of "material"? I don't want to end up on a watch list.

 

[chineebai]

@chineebai DAMN, you're right. I forgot about those areas.

Yeah, it is about keeping in the community!

How much of having your own language and pride in your own food, do you think plays a part in Asians being able to keep everything together in their community?.

I have a theory that the reason why blacks, and some west indians(exlcuding hatians), don't do as much as we can is because we don't have our own language which means we can't communicate in secrecy to get things done. We also have been conditioned to hate our food, instead of being taught to use better ingredients, and opted to eat the dominant societies food that is considered healthy. With no personal language and food, we have no foundation, and can get easily fooled.

When you look back when blacks had more ownership, we had our own code of speech, and were proud of our food. Terms such as reefer, rock'n'roll, cool were slang started by blacks, then adopted by whites who took, and now we see it as their slang. I think these two things(food,language) play a big part in our demise.

I think if you have a distinct culture in a mainstream society that you can relate yourself to, the more likely you trust your own more, the more you're familiar with someone even if they are complete strangers. I think a lot of immigrant cultures have the same type of society. There are immigrant neighborhoods of every type that owns businesses, owns real estate, and patron the same businesses. Jackson heights has all the indians, corona/elmhurst with all the different types of latinos, there's flushing and elmhurst that is mostly chinese, there's 8th avenue and parts of bensonhurst in brooklyn that is mostly chinese, russians in sheepshead and brighton beach, arabs in bay ridge, etc.

The point is that there's a reason why there's a chinese restaurant in every corner of america, that indians own grocery stores, koreans and chinese wning laundromats, vietnamese owning salons, arabs owning bodegas, pakistanis with taxi cabs, even the hair business is asian own. Then the 2nd generation of these immigrants are all educated, lawyers doctors business professionals, etc. The key is owning shyt, keeping it within the community and saving money.

 

[Captain Crunch]

I'm curious but apprehensive at what you have to say. Do you have some kind of "material"? I don't want to end up on a watch list.

1. Have a think tank to discuss ideas and methods of putting those ideas into motion. This can be done for free at a public space.

2. Support black businesses as a community.

3. When politicians are running for office, come to candidates as a group with an agenda, offer to donate campaign money and votes in exchange for them fighting for your agenda if elected.

I could go on, but these are just some of it.

 

[bouncy]

I think if you have a distinct culture in a mainstream society that you can relate yourself to, the more likely you trust your own more, the more you're familiar with someone even if they are complete strangers. I think a lot of immigrant cultures have the same type of society. There are immigrant neighborhoods of every type that owns businesses, owns real estate, and patron the same businesses. Jackson heights has all the indians, corona/elmhurst with all the different types of latinos, there's flushing and elmhurst that is mostly chinese, there's 8th avenue and parts of bensonhurst in brooklyn that is mostly chinese, russians in sheepshead and brighton beach, arabs in bay ridge, etc.

The point is that there's a reason why there's a chinese restaurant in every corner of america, that indians own grocery stores, koreans and chinese wning laundromats, vietnamese owning salons, arabs owning bodegas, pakistanis with taxi cabs, even the hair business is asian own. Then the 2nd generation of these immigrants are all educated, lawyers doctors business professionals, etc. The key is owning shyt, keeping it within the community and saving money.

You hit it but, I feel the thing that keeps the business within the community is PRIDE. If you didn't have pride the 2nd generation would end up selling the business due to lack of customers who want to eat the food or buy the things known for that particular culture. Blacks used to own things in the U.S., but as time went on, I guess all the fighting really beat us down, and then when we got a little gain, we celebrated but being that we celebrated with drugs during the 70's, as it was the drug culture era, it took us down. No one knew drugs were so bad, so I give the people who started the use of them a pass but, people now need to chill out with the bullshyt. Even with all the weed smoking, and I love herb, but there is a time to do it, and a time to chill.. Plus, we had the idea that because we can mingle with whites that everything was equal and we can see that isn't the case. Money is the unifier, not if someone likes you. People like you when you have money anyway.

I see blacks as the first to lay ground for everyone else and that means more suffering but, I think once we learn how to gain some sense of pride again, everything else will follow. You will always have someone who will make money off of someone else but, if your group has no pride in the things it creates someone will always take the money because, blacks take pride in something when they see someone else do it. I think I know what needs to be done but, that is something on a spiritual level and may be too far out there for this forum. I also think some blacks are going to have to separate themselves from certain people in our group since a lot of blacks are not really on our side. They are black but, are really white racists on the inside. Blacks who want to grow are going to have break away from the systems we are used to that are hurting us like the church, street culture vultures who don't give back when they make money, and blacks who hate anyone that they feel is trying to act better then them such as not being a christian or muslim, wanting to wear your natural hair, and just wanting to think outside the box that was forced upon us. It's going to take time but, I think it will happen.

 

[*L*E*G*A*C*Y*]

I have some acute observations about these hipsters that I've been dying to share.

• They always seem like they're on a perpetual walking tour of Brooklyn and New York. I'm really convinced that a good amount of these people don't have jobs and are living off of parental stipends. They really seem like they have infinite leisure time. When I'm on the M train to work, I can always count on a couple of these people to be on the train doing god knows what going god knows where. I used to think they were tourists, but they don't have any bags or cameras. I used to think they were college students until I realized that it was summer and school is out. I thought they might be on their way to work, but with the way some of them are dressed I doubt they're going to a respectable job that actually pays anything.
• They are some of the most genuinely unattractive people I've ever seen. They just look...awkward. You can always tell born and raised New Yorkers from these transplants because they generally look frail and weak in comparison to them. Some of them look like concentration camp survivors. I've never seen so many just deathly boring and unattractive looking women in my life. It's obvious from their transluscent and almost blindingly pale skin tone that they don't get out or are active on any level. The women look like their 38 but they're actually 23. Some o them look like they have scoliosis (SP) or some other posture problem. Some of them just look like the products of inbreeding.
  
• They look so lost walking around Brooklyn. I was at the Burger King on Knickerbocker and Myrtle having some food, and this one blond hipster girl with a clipboard who had to weigh 80 pounds soaking wet walks in just looking so out of place in the sea of Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, and Black people in attendance. I wanted to laugh at her, but that would of just been really cruel.
• They are the some of the most arrogant, self-entitled, self-centered, and elitist people I've ever had the displeasure to be around.
• I don't get how some of these people can afford to live here. I see all these white girls walking around at all hours of the day with yoga mats and it makesme shake my head to think that Brooklyn is just a "playcation" zone for them while everybody else is working tooth and nail to keep food on the table and bills/rent paid. I never really considered some parts of Brooklyn as some sort of epicenter new age yuppie/hipster BS, but they're turning it into that.
• Almost every one of these people says they're an artist, photographer, art gallery curator, DJ, musician, in a band, a model, or whatever job title they feeling like assigning themselves at the moment.

 

[mson]

Just finished watching the Mayoral debate. I think Weiner has a future on TV, he stood up for Deblasio and Liu on two points and he seems to say what he feels.

 

[Mikael Blowpiff]

I have some acute observations about these hipsters that I've been dying to share.

• They always seem like they're on a perpetual walking tour of Brooklyn and New York. I'm really convinced that a good amount of these people don't have jobs and are living off of parental stipends. They really seem like they have infinite leisure time. When I'm on the M train to work, I can always count on a couple of these people to be on the train doing god knows what going god knows where. I used to think they were tourists, but they don't have any bags or cameras. I used to think they were college students until I realized that it was summer and school is out. I thought they might be on their way to work, but with the way some of them are dressed I doubt they're going to a respectable job that actually pays anything.
• They are some of the most genuinely unattractive people I've ever seen. They just look...awkward. You can always tell born and raised New Yorkers from these transplants because they generally look frail and weak in comparison to them. Some of them look like concentration camp survivors. I've never seen so many just deathly boring and unattractive looking women in my life. It's obvious from their transluscent and almost blindingly pale skin tone that they don't get out or are active on any level. The women look like their 38 but they're actually 23. Some o them look like they have scoliosis (SP) or some other posture problem. Some of them just look like the products of inbreeding.
  
• They look so lost walking around Brooklyn. I was at the Burger King on Knickerbocker and Myrtle having some food, and this one blond hipster girl with a clipboard who had to weigh 80 pounds soaking wet walks in just looking so out of place in the sea of Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, and Black people in attendance. I wanted to laugh at her, but that would of just been really cruel.
• They are the some of the most arrogant, self-entitled, self-centered, and elitist people I've ever had the displeasure to be around.
• I don't get how some of these people can afford to live here. I see all these white girls walking around at all hours of the day with yoga mats and it makesme shake my head to think that Brooklyn is just a "playcation" zone for them while everybody else is working tooth and nail to keep food on the table and bills/rent paid. I never really considered some parts of Brooklyn as some sort of epicenter new age yuppie/hipster BS, but they're turning it into that.
• Almost every one of these people says they're an artist, photographer, art gallery curator, DJ, musician, in a band, a model, or whatever job title they feeling like assigning themselves at the moment.

Rompers: the fukk breh?

 

[88m3]

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/09/02/brooklyn-to-celebrate-west-indian-culture-today/

cacs
are
furious

 

[Disciple of the Projects]

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/09/02/brooklyn-to-celebrate-west-indian-culture-today/

cacs
are
furious

You used to be c00n, What happened? I'd like to know. Im not trying to be funny either.