My hitta, fk what cha say, ain't no mo playin GA! The official Atlanta Hawks 21-22 Thread

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

So this is a 3 man league now? You name 3 unicorns, the genetic lottery winners to make your point?

So now AI, Steve Nash, Steph are not #1s to you because they don’t/didn’t play good defense?

Bron is putting better numbers this season than he has in a long time and it means nothing because the Lakers don’t play good team defense and they have HOF caliber player in AD on that squad so what are you really saying..

Giannis, didn’t have a championship team until Jrue Holiday came in and made up for all the issues the Bucks had. None of these cats can do it alone.

Bet Bron would love to have Trae right now because he brings so much to a team by being able to get his own shot and setup others against elite defense. That’s what makes him #1 option in the NBA.

As I will say again, you don't have to play good defense in the NBA. You just need to be good enough not to be a complete liability on the floor.

Using Jrue as an example is disingenuous considering the fact that 1. defense was never Milwaukee's issue preventing them from winning the championship and 2. Jrue is an elite level defender and has made All-Defensive team previously. Jrue was an upgrade offensively over Bledsoe who was an elite defender in Milwaukee himself. In the case of Steph, he's average enough on defense not to be a liability or get exposed on defense. AI was a #1 option and look where it got him.

Just because you put up #1 option numbers doesn't make you a #1 option in this league. If that's the logic you want to go by, then a lot of guys in this league are #1 options because they are putting up #1 numbers.

 

[Hollywood Co]

As I will say again, you don't have to play good defense in the NBA. You just need to be good enough not to be a complete liability on the floor.

Using Jrue as an example is disingenuous considering the fact that 1. defense was never Milwaukee's issue preventing them from winning the championship and 2. Jrue is an elite level defender and has made All-Defensive team previously. Jrue was an upgrade offensively over Bledsoe who was an elite defender in Milwaukee himself. In the case of Steph, he's average enough on defense not to be a liability or get exposed on defense. AI was a #1 option and look where it got him.

Just because you put up #1 option numbers doesn't make you a #1 option in this league when it matters most. If that's the logic you want to go by, then a lot of guys in this league are #1 options because they are putting up #1 numbers.

Did you watch the playoffs last year?

Trae is not a perfect player but he definitely not the problem on this team. I can name at least 5 different things the Hawks need to do to get better before I come to Trae.

Put it like this, look at the rosters around the league, if you replace Trae with their #1 option, how would those teams look? Most would look about the same and many would get better with the type of player he is.

It’s crazy, even after what he displayed, last season, that Trae is still underrated to this degree. I just hope the FO can put a proper team around him before he starts to think about going elsewhere.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Did you watch the playoffs last year?

Trae is not a perfect player but he definitely not the problem on this team. I can name at least 5 different things the Hawks need to do to get better before I come to Trae.

Put it like this, look at the rosters around the league, if you replace Trae with their #1 option, how would those teams look? Most would look about the same and many would get better with the type of player he is.

It’s crazy, even after what he displayed, last season, that Trae is still underrated to this degree. I just hope the FO can put a proper team around him before he starts to think about going elsewhere.

Where did I say that he was the problem with this team?

What I said was that he needs to get better on defense and that he isn't a true #1 option. It's not a shot at him as there a lot of other players in the league that aren't #1 options. It's not as a big of a deal that you're making it out to be. We throw Dame in that category, yet no one says a word so let's not act like Trey Young is the exception and being picked on.

Get him a running mate that can fill in as a #1 option and closer when needed like last season when Middleton did for Milwaukee at times in the playoffs. ATL does not have that and he's not the type of player (yet) that can make up for that on a consistent basis and elevate the team.

Before someone mentions Trae Young's size again in why he's not a good defender, CP3 says hello. He shows you every night that size and height doesn't define nor mean that you can't be good on defense.

 

[staticshock]

Last season is irrelevant to the conversation when the majority of what happened last season didn't carry over to this season. He doesn't need to be a good defender. He just needs to average enough not to be a complete liability on the floor.

There are guards in the league Trey Young's size and stature who are better defensively so let's not use his size as an excuse.

So by using your logic, Bron isn’t a #1 anymore either since the Lakers are ass this season. Why did you list Bron since we’ve only using this season

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

So by using your logic, Bron isn’t a #1 anymore either since the Lakers are ass this season. Why did you list Bron since we’ve only using this season

The Lakers are ass this season, but they're still 7th in the West and a 1.5 back of the 5th seed. Meanwhile, ATL is the 12th seed and isn't even in the play-in tournament if the season ended today

With the way dudes in this thread have mentioned and insisted on how talented this team and roster is, you would think that their record would be a lot better than it is presently.

 

[Estarossa]

I don’t see the point of bashing Trae’s lackluster defense when he always has to will the team back into games after opposing teams go up by 15+ whenever he’s on the bench. We’re back to the point where he has to drop 30 for us to win. Everybody on the team all of sudden doesn’t give a shyt about defense. All of our wings are shooters instead of 3 & D guys (except Hunter), our backup PG situation is the same as usual because Lou is washed and Wright is not a playmaker, and Capela isn’t as good as he used to be and OO ain’t good enough yet.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

I don’t see the point of bashing Trae’s lackluster defense when he always has to will the team back into games after opposing teams go up by 15+ whenever he’s on the bench. We’re back to the point where he has to drop 30 for us to win. Everybody on the team all of sudden doesn’t give a shyt about defense. All of our wings are shooters instead of 3 & D guys, our backup PG situation is the same as usual because Lou is washed and Wright is not a playmaker, and Capela isn’t as good as he used to be and OO ain’t good enough yet.

It's totally fair to call out his lackluster defense as he was still a liability on defense last season even when they were terrific defensively. This season doesn't change that outside of the fact that everyone else around him has gotten worse to where they are just as much of a liability as he is.

 

[staticshock]

It's totally fair to call out his lackluster defense as he was still a liability on defense last season even when they were terrific defensively. This season doesn't change that outside of the fact that everyone else around him has gotten worse to where they are just as much of a liability as he is.

yet we never hear about the terrible defense Luka and Dame plays. nikkas only wanna bring up defense when trying to down Trae smh

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

yet we never hear about the terrible defense Luka and Dame plays. nikkas only wanna bring up defense when trying to down Trae smh

Breh

Are you literally going to sit here and say that dudes on this site don't give Luka and Dame shyt for their defense and their play all the time. Even you know your comment is disingenous, so I don't know why you sit there and said it just to try and use it as a defense for Trey.

They're all trash on defense and it's totally okay to admit it. You don’t have to lie to try and prove your point.

 

[AVXL]

I’m not sure what y’all are even arguing about. Trae is one of the worst defenders in the NBA but this team was designed to be built around Trae’s elite offense with elite defense behind him with Capela, DeAndre Hunter and an improving John Collins. None of that has happened outside of Trae’s offense

At this point everyone is on notice and everyone outside of Trae and Cap (b/c of his contract) can get traded

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

I’m not sure what y’all are even arguing about. Trae is one of the worst defenders in the NBA but this team was designed to be built around Trae’s elite offense with elite defense behind him with Capela, DeAndre Hunter and an improving John Collins. None of that has happened outside of Trae’s offense

At this point everyone is on notice and everyone outside of Trae and Cap (b/c of his contract) can get traded

Utah's run right now and how they are performing without Gobert shows you what happens when you put all your stock in one person anchoring the defense and masking the defensive deficiencies of everyone else.

 

[#1 pick]

Clint Capela was the best player on last year's team overall in the RS. That's why we won so many games. He's just good this year. That's a problem, he needs to be an star defensive player and a good offensive player but teams realize that we spam the 1-5 PnR.

 

[AVXL]

Utah's run right now and how they are performing without Gobert shows you what happens when you put all your stock in one person anchoring the defense and masking the defensive deficiencies of everyone else.

Bro WTF are you even arguing. I told you how the Hawks are constructed IDGAF about Utah or Gobert. Your point literally has NOTHING to do with what I said, our team is built around a great offensive player and complimentary defensive players to mask his deficiencies.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Bro WTF are you even arguing. I told you how the Hawks are constructed IDGAF about Utah or Gobert. Your point literally has NOTHING to do with what I said, our team is built around a great offensive player and complimentary defensive players to mask his deficiencies.

You're proving my point that I've been saying in this thread

If you have to build a team specifically around masking a players deficiencies just for the team to succeed and have success, then he's not a #1 option. Which is exactly why I say that he needs to become at least average to above average on defense.

 

[FreshFromATL]

Clint Capela was the best player on last year's team overall in the RS. That's why we won so many games. He's just good this year. That's a problem, he needs to be an star defensive player and a good offensive player but teams realize that we spam the 1-5 PnR.

They need to let Clint sit until he's healthy and stop running Gallo out as the backup 5.