My hitta, fk what cha say, ain't no mo playin GA! The official Atlanta Hawks 21-22 Thread

[Rickdogg44]

Trae and Kevin turnovers

 

[staticshock]

You can legit name 20 players drafted the same year as Cam (2019) and from the 2020 or 2021 drafts already showing more promise. Out of town dudes in the other thread acting like the Hawks traded Kawhi for Josh Magette

I didn’t watch the game tonight but I was checking out the score all night and I saw they were down big and came back. Can’t get mad about a loss against the Heat though. At least they didn’t get destroyed

 

[AVXL]

You can legit name 20 players drafted the same year as Cam (2019) and from the 2020 or 2021 drafts already showing more promise. Out of town dudes in the other thread acting like the Hawks traded Kawhi for Josh Magette

I didn’t watch the game tonight but I was checking out the score all night and I saw they were down big and came back. Can’t get mad about a loss against the Heat though. At least they didn’t get destroyed

Breh the effort in that game was laughable. It was an awful game where we got our physicaled and out hustled all over the court. Don’t let the final score fool you, they were thoroughly out played at home

9 straight home losses BTW, Hawks haven’t won at home since Nov 22nd vs OKC

 

[#1 pick]

Another L for the boys. How many times can you continue to blame Cam? What now? Is this the ghost of Cam?

 

[#1 pick]

You can legit name 20 players drafted the same year as Cam (2019) and from the 2020 or 2021 drafts already showing more promise. Out of town dudes in the other thread acting like the Hawks traded Kawhi for Josh Magette

I didn’t watch the game tonight but I was checking out the score all night and I saw they were down big and came back. Can’t get mad about a loss against the Heat though. At least they didn’t get destroyed

Cam haters in full effect whereas the Hawks get another L.

 

[AVXL]

Another L for the boys. How many times can you continue to blame Cam? What now? Is this the ghost of Cam?

Team lost tonight because of poor execution in the 4th quarter. No #ScamFam slander tonight

 

[#1 pick]

Team lost tonight because of poor execution in the 4th quarter. No #ScamFam slander tonight

That's how they lose most nights but Cam haters love to blame Cam especially now that hes gone.

 

[AVXL]

That's how they lose most nights but Cam haters love to blame Cam especially now that hes gone.

They played better than they did vs this same team on Thursday. I’ll take effort and poor execution over no effort at all

And no one hates Cam, he’s just an overhyped basketball player who is at best inconsistent and at worst a fringe rotation guy. Sorry but it’s true

 

[#1 pick]

They played better than they did vs this same team on Thursday. I’ll take effort and poor execution over no effort at all

And no one hates Cam, he’s just an overhyped basketball player who is at best inconsistent and at worst a fringe rotation guy. Sorry but it’s true

Cam didn't even play Thursday either dawg.

Just face the facts, Trae is the problem. Trae ball works till it stalls out in the 4th. It's the most underwhelming shyt ever.

If we get Simmons, I'll actually be okay with that just to get the ball out of Trae's hands late in games and try other things other than Iso Trae. Iso Trae going out sad like Iso Joe till we added more guys who can score the rock and a PG who can create for others like Bibby and Jamal Crawford.

We need Simmons unselfishness to balance out Trae total selfishness

 

[#1 pick]

Trae in the 1st to 3rd quarters is a combo of

4th quarter Trae

And plays defense in the regular season of all quarters like an mini verison of this

 

[#1 pick]

Pulled from another site from a different poster other than me.

I decided to dig into this after seeing a few people say that Trae's 30+ jumper late in last night's game was not a bad shot because he makes it at a good percentage overall. And that's true in general. He came into last night shooting 40.8% on shots from 30+ feet. But I wanted to see if that was true in the 4th Quarter and, in particular, in clutch situations, because my "eye test" is that Trae has increasingly played an inefficient form of Hero Ball late in games this year. Sadly, I was right...like depressingly right.

If you look just at the 4th quarter, Trae came into last night shooting a miserable 27.7% (5-of-18) from 30+ feet. By comparison, he shoots 44.7% on those shots in the first half, and 46.6% in the third quarter.

I was curious to see if that got any better (or worse) in close/late situations, but wasn't able to find detailed shooting splits for clutch time. But...I was able to see his 3P% overall in clutch time versus the rest of the game. The sample size for clutch is small, but here are Trae's 3P% splits this season:

• 1st Quarter: 39.0% (32-of-82)
• 2nd Quarter: 40.0% (26-of-65)
• 3rd Quarter: 40.0% (26-of-65...not a typo, it's actually exactly the same as 2Q)
• 4th Quarter: 25.9% (15-of-58)
• Clutch (<5min / <= 5pts): 11.1% (1-of-9)

Okay, yeah, but 3-pointers are just one facet of the game, right? Unfortunately, the clutch rot seems to affect other aspects of Trae's offensive game too. You can see the overall and by-quarter stats here, and the clutch stats here.

• Overall, Trae shoots an even 50.0% (249-of-498) on 2-pointers. In the 4th quarter, that essentially holds steady at 50.4% (54-of-107). But in clutch situations, it drops to 44.0% (11-of-25).
• Overall, Trae averages 9.8 assists and 4.3 turnovers per 36 minutes. But in the 4th quarter, he averages just 6.5 assists and commits 4.7 turnovers per 36 minutes. And in the clutch, he averages 1.7 assists and 7.6 turnovers per 36 minutes (!!!!!!!!)

That last stat just blew me away. Among players who have played at least 30 clutch minutes this year, Trae is #102 in assists per 36 minutes, but #2 in turnovers per 36 minutes (Giannis is #1 in TO/36 in the clutch, but with 6.2 assists). This from the guy who is #2 in assists per 36 minutes overall.

So in clutch time, Trae is both shooting and passing not just poorly, but horribly. And that kills us, because Trae also has the league's highest usage rate in the clutch.

It's safe to say we can't win games if Trae keeps playing hero ball late like this. Especially if Trae's defense remains as awful as it's been.

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Look, I'm not seriously not a hater when it comes to Trae. He's my avatar. I have his jersey, his kicks (black/white SoSoDef edition), two name/number tees, and got my daughter a jersey and t-shirt as well. The only other current Hawk whose jersey I have is Cam's. Oh...wait...

Seriously, I want Trae to succeed more than anything. But I think our playoff run last year got into his head, and he's bought into his own hype as a ice-cold, borderline-invincible clutch player. As a result, he's trying to do too much late in games. Teams see it coming, and defend accordingly, but Trae forces it, resulting in low-percentage shots and very little of the playmaking that makes him so special. I can't find stats on play types, but it looks like he goes ISO and goes away from the PnR late in game, which I'm guessing is a major reason he falls off so much.

And it's killing us. Add that to the fact that he seems to be giving less and less effort defensively, and I'm getting worried about him being the championship-caliber centerpiece I thought he was.

Hopefully Nate--or someone else in the locker room--has the clout and testicular fortitude to tell him to stop playing a totally different style of ball late in the game.

 

[AAKing23]

Cam didn't even play Thursday either dawg.

Just face the facts, Trae is the problem. Trae ball works till it stalls out in the 4th. It's the most underwhelming shyt ever.

If we get Simmons, I'll actually be okay with that just to get the ball out of Trae's hands late in games and try other things other than Iso Trae. Iso Trae going out sad like Iso Joe till we added more guys who can score the rock and a PG who can create for others like Bibby and Jamal Crawford.

We need Simmons unselfishness to balance out Trae total selfishness

I wouldv'e wanted Cam back in a trade for Ben but since that's no longer possible and Philly don't want Collins I don't really see a deal getting done, we in cap hell right now

 

[AVXL]

Cam didn't even play Thursday either dawg.

Just face the facts, Trae is the problem. Trae ball works till it stalls out in the 4th. It's the most underwhelming shyt ever.

If we get Simmons, I'll actually be okay with that just to get the ball out of Trae's hands late in games and try other things other than Iso Trae. Iso Trae going out sad like Iso Joe till we added more guys who can score the rock and a PG who can create for others like Bibby and Jamal Crawford.

We need Simmons unselfishness to balance out Trae total selfishness

I don’t disagree but this roster is built around him. So we have to build a team to complement his skill set

Make no mistake he has a role in this bullshyt too, I don’t get the feeling the guys like playing with him and that has to cause tension in the locker room too

 

[Estarossa]

At least Kevin Knox said he’s excited to be here…

 

[FreshFromATL]

Another L for the boys. How many times can you continue to blame Cam? What now? Is this the ghost of Cam?

no one cares about Cam anymore tbh