Murder Rap Documentary: The Untold Story of the 2pac & Biggie Murder

[CouldntBeMeTho]

But wait hold the fukk up

For argument's sake let's say the pac murder was retaliation for the casino beat down

You're telling me that if Keefe d was the shooter he could have told investigators yeah I shot Tupac for what they did to my nephew in the casino and the police would let him walk on the murder and the drug trafficking charges?

I find that VERY hard to believe

yes, that's exactly what happened. its called a proffer agreement

In the context of criminal law, a proffer agreement is a written agreement between federal prosecutors and individuals under criminal investigation which permit these individuals to give the government information about crimes with some assurances that they will be protected against prosecution. Witnesses, subjects or targets of a federal investigation are usually parties to such agreements.


AND this is why you need to stfu and do some research before you come in here saying a bunch of stupid shyt. you have absolutely no idea how things work, and what youre talking about.

 

[Dre Smith]

Ive been looking for the full CNN interview of Orlando anderson.


Also how come they never mentioned questioning Dre smith?

 

[MurderRapMovie]

But wait hold the fukk up

For argument's sake let's say the pac murder was retaliation for the casino beat down

You're telling me that if Keefe d was the shooter he could have told investigators yeah I shot Tupac for what they did to my nephew in the casino and the police would let him walk on the murder and the drug trafficking charges?

I find that VERY hard to believe

Even if Keefe d would have implicated Orlando Anderson as the shooter in the killing as payback for the casino beat down I find it hard to believe they would let him walk being that he was an accomplice

What would be the police's incentive?

They're just gonna take this guy's word for it and deem the case "solved" without having anyone go down for the murder?

I'm not buying that

Great question. I'm not law enforcement, so take this with a grain of salt, but I believe that assuming all other evidence supported this hypothetical scenario where Keffe and Orlando and their crew acted alone, without any contract, then I believe the case would have been ruled "cleared other." "Cleared other" is when law enforcement knows what happened, but prosecution isn't possible. In this instance, you would have a conspirator who was given immunity, and a shooter who is dead, so there's no one to charge. I'll check on this though - it may be a little more complicated than that.

I believe that Kading's opinion is that even today, both cases should probably be classified as "cleared other" anyway, as he doesn't believe anyone will ever be charged due largely to too many witnesses now being dead. However, because of the high profile nature of these two murders, law enforcement probably wants to keep up the appearance that the cases are still open.

 

[Jacaveli The Don]

I saw a very disturbing video with Lil' Cease years ago, I hope he's keeping it together at the gym lol...

OK bro, I'll bite, what happened in the video?

 

[Sensei]

So think about this?
The famous last picture of pac appears to not even have a key in the ignition. Unless there was only one key in it.. Still doesnt appear as so.

The arrangement of the 4 occupants of the cadillac. To be honest I think it was in retaliation strictly for pac stealing on Orlando that night but when keefe D passed me the strap I said hellll nawwww. Anyways Suge didn't get clapped? I think he was shielded by pac and they were trying to get up outta there.

ZIP really bogarted a street gang tho
That nikka zip was savage

Zip did not bogart Southside Crips at all,the only reason they decided to shoot Suge and 2Pac was because of the incident.They weren't even trying to really shoot Suge and 2Pac in Compton.Even when they arrived in Vegas they didnt have it on their mind to kill him.It's only when the beat down of Orlando Anderson that caused him to get it.Keefee said he had only met Diddy not that much times only on a few occasions. The relationship between SSCC and Bad Boy was not to cohesive,SSCC only agreed to keep a look out for Bad Boy and in return they got tickets.Southside Crips probably wanted to get backstage for groupies and hoes.

 

[seemorecizzy]

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/dext...my-hencmens-homie-book-touchs-on-alot.226980/

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/dext...ut-talks-about-pac-pdiddy-orlando-etc.162948/



so that quad city robbery basically happened over a damn argument between a check or cash??

dexter issac said puff knew before it happened but not BIG or anyone else in the studio that night.....


just look at puff's demeanor and compare it to biggie.....

puff looks so unbelievably guilty in this video

he obviously knows something
biggie seems kinda clueless as to whats going on, i don't think he even anticipated how much bigger it was about to get

 

[Frida Giezman]

Great question. I'm not law enforcement, so take this with a grain of salt, but I believe that assuming all other evidence supported this hypothetical scenario where Keffe and Orlando and their crew acted alone, without any contract, then I believe the case would have been ruled "cleared other." "Cleared other" is when law enforcement knows what happened, but prosecution isn't possible. In this instance, you would have a conspirator who was given immunity, and a shooter who is dead, so there's no one to charge. I'll check on this though - it may be a little more complicated than that.

I believe that Kading's opinion is that even today, both cases should probably be classified as "cleared other" anyway, as he doesn't believe anyone will ever be charged due largely to too many witnesses now being dead. However, because of the high profile nature of these two murders, law enforcement probably wants to keep up the appearance that the cases are still open.

Thanks for all the info

Puffy partying with bad boy in LA six months later still makes no sense to me at all

And if it was a must that they be there strictly for industry purposes than they should've been wearing body armor and riding around in bullet proof vehicles

shyt they should've been doing that even if Puffy wasn't involved in pac's murder

 

[Formerly known as...]

Thanks for all the info

Puffy partying with bad boy in LA six months later still makes no sense to me at all

And if it was a must that they be there strictly for industry purposes than they should've been wearing body armor and riding around in bullet proof vehicles

shyt they should've been doing that even if Puffy wasn't involved in pac's murder

He probably felt like he had won the war, and I am sure he had protection via people that night but still you can't escape everything. Puff lucky he wasn't in the car with Big.

How Puff still out here though, either he is just one lucky dude or has always had enough Money to pay the right people. And over the years all these gang members just ended up getting killed anyway and Puff been cool coasting through making more money, and being a 'friendly' face to those at home watching on. Dude has always seemed like a snake deep down.

 

[Ensoniq]

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[MurderRapMovie]

Great question. I'm not law enforcement, so take this with a grain of salt, but I believe that assuming all other evidence supported this hypothetical scenario where Keffe and Orlando and their crew acted alone, without any contract, then I believe the case would have been ruled "cleared other." "Cleared other" is when law enforcement knows what happened, but prosecution isn't possible. In this instance, you would have a conspirator who was given immunity, and a shooter who is dead, so there's no one to charge. I'll check on this though - it may be a little more complicated than that.

I believe that Kading's opinion is that even today, both cases should probably be classified as "cleared other" anyway, as he doesn't believe anyone will ever be charged due largely to too many witnesses now being dead. However, because of the high profile nature of these two murders, law enforcement probably wants to keep up the appearance that the cases are still open.

I would add to this that if Keffe had said it was just revenge and that there was no contract, then the task force likely would have gone after the alleged driver of the Cadillac next, since he was the only person alleged to have been in the car who wasn't A) dead, or B) protected by the proffer agreement. If the driver's story matched Keffe's, then I suspect that might have been the end of that investigation.

 

[Big Boss]

this thread

 

[imirza]

After viewing this Documentary, I was sad to see that the end result was more or less the same.
Although technically Kading did discredit Russell Poole's theory, in the end he was pretty much put off the case just as Poole was. So the LAPD really isn't / wasn't interested in solving the Murder of BIG. All they really wanted was to prove Poole's theory wasn't correct, just so they could get out of that lawsuit filed by BIG's estate. That's gotta be heartbreaking for the Family. They had an opportunity to get to the bottom of this case, but bullshyt politics wouldn't allow it.

 

[MVike28]

I just started the first 30 seconds

the emergency 9/11 calls from Biggie's crew

man this shyt is heartbreaking already

 

[Frida Giezman]

He probably felt like he had won the war, and I am sure he had protection via people that night but still you can't escape everything. Puff lucky he wasn't in the car with Big.

How Puff still out here though, either he is just one lucky dude or has always had enough Money to pay the right people. And over the years all these gang members just ended up getting killed anyway and Puff been cool coasting through making more money, and being a 'friendly' face to those at home watching on. Dude has always seemed like a snake deep down.

Honestly I just can't see puff taking shyt to that level

Especially not as nonchalantly as Keefe d made it seem

But I also can't see someone lying on puff and risking going to jail for a long time if his testimony is proven to be fabricated

 

[Frida Giezman]

I would add to this that if Keffe had said it was just revenge and that there was no contract, then the task force likely would have gone after the alleged driver of the Cadillac next, since he was the only person alleged to have been in the car who wasn't A) dead, or B) protected by the proffer agreement. If the driver's story matched Keffe's, then I suspect that might have been the end of that investigation.

Where is Keefe d now and was he ever indicted on the drug trafficking charge since the information he gave investigators did not lead to a puff daddy indictment on the pac murder?