Murder Rap Documentary: The Untold Story of the 2pac & Biggie Murder

[Youngblood Priest]

I would like to say something here. Nobody knows the fukking truth. Nobody. Only the two nikkaz that's dead. We are all speculating on a situation we really know nothing about. If that shyt was cut straight, then the facts would be out there. I believe it's more shyt to the truth than being let out. We don't know what Pac and Bigs relationship was truly like. We really don't know why Pac went hard at them dudes. He said it was just to make money. Yet he wanted to crush Bad Boy. I'm sure a lot of us would love to go back and see it all unfold. See the "truths". Yet we can't. So who knows. They have been dead for 20. Everyday there's new speculation. No facts tho. Pac is my guy, but I'm tired of the conspiracies. We will never get the truth. Unless someone kidnaps a vital player, torture his ass, and then get the info. anyone? What I do know is, Pac swung on a gang banger, got killed. Big, got killed. Rap became a joke.

 

[Youngblood Priest]

Plus, I would add that, everyone keep saying Pac just went at big and puff. No, he was telling truths in interviews. He said them nikkaz names in interviews. He said that he know Biggie them wasn't behind the actual shooting. He just wanted to dissolve them nikkaz and get his money. RECORD SALES. He said this his self. Yall acting like he didn't call them "gangtas" out. He did. Rather or not big and puff really knew what happened, there had to be a reason he thought they did. All a nikka gotta do is put your ugly feet in his shoes. What would you have done? Yall heard the monster kody phone call. There are plenty of interviews with Pac calling them nikkaz out. I personally feel that he was trying to kill two birds with one shot. Getting at the street nikkaz who shot him, and getting at big and puff cuz they some bytch ass nikkaz. Now, if Pac wouldn't have done that bullshyt in Vegas, we probably would have gotten the end results of a great hip hop feud.

 

[kingofnyc]

THIS

@kingofnyc is looking funny in the light as well, if he truly believes what hes saying. I could never be cool with someone like that.




not to make light of the situation, but that all-day trip turned out to be more important than whatever biggie had going on, don't you think?

I mean dammit, at least write a letter.

how am I looking funny in da light



again, I said that was his man in the industry not his every day man ei. lil cease, droc, c gutta etc...
and to be honest with you we don't have any clarification if biggie attempted to reach out in that month and a half by writing a letter or picking up the phone to give him a call all we ever heard was he never visited pac in jail

 

[kingofnyc]

Dude even if it was within a window of a month if your man gets shot in the studio and gets sentenced upstate you would think you would go out of your way to see him. Even if the original interview was more scathing the contents of the magazine didn't even come out until March. It just seems dude could have did more to reach out to him and I can't blame pac for feeling a certain way about that given how pac looked out for big. I'm just putting myself in my position and big shoulda been upfront with him and taken care of business early. While pac had accused puff and big of betrayal in the vibe interview what really pissed him off was when biggie and puff gave their side of the story. If big had visited dude early and explained that "yo you trippin about thinking I was involved in that" or something to that effect their would have been a possibility of an understanding.

this is the conundrum we having
try to clarify.... you @Wacky D @Renzo @Tha_Mac etc... seem seem to believe big he should have done on his behalf to reach out before the shyt hit the fan. my problem with this is y'all aren't giving him any credit for going to the hospital later on that very same day, in addition posted several times pac was convicted and sent to Rikers Island immediately to await his sentences the Vibe interview happened a month and a half thereafter. When that interview was done the powers at be the from the magazine most likely Quincy Jones sought out to fab five Freddy and contacted all of the names pac mentioned to resolve this potential calamity. so indeed biggie, puff etc... knew how pac felted way before the actual article came out in april of '95... my point of biggie not seeing pac within the month & a half is strictly due to his schedule and let's not pretend this was a life or death situation based off the fact when you visit him in the hospital pac had left - so obviously he knew pac was physically good

with that said and now on to the second point of this meaning post vibe magazine interview
word on the street was pac was going to use his way to gain fame and fortune all you have to do is read prodigy from mobb deep book the infamous where he states pac right hand man Randy stretch Walker & close associate of pac name is E-Money bags both visited him in prison and pac told them he was going to blame biggie & puff cause at the time they was running hip hop and this would boost his career





at the end of the day - there absolutely no reason to put any of this on biggie

 

[Oville]

this is the conundrum we having
try to clarify.... you @Wacky D @Renzo @Tha_Mac etc... seem seem to believe big he should have done on his behalf to reach out before the shyt hit the fan. my problem with this is y'all aren't giving him any credit for going to the hospital later on that very same day, in addition posted several times pac was convicted and sent to Rikers Island immediately to await his sentences the Vibe interview happened a month and a half thereafter. When that interview was done the powers at be the from the magazine most likely Quincy Jones sought out to fab five Freddy and contacted all of the names pac mentioned to resolve this potential calamity. so indeed biggie, puff etc... knew how pac felted way before the actual article came out in april of '95... my point of biggie not seeing pac within the month & a half is strictly due to his schedule and let's not pretend this was a life or death situation based off the fact when you visit him in the hospital pac had left - so obviously he knew pac was physically good

with that said and now on to the second point of this meaning post vibe magazine interview
word on the street was pac was going to use his way to gain fame and fortune all you have to do is read prodigy from mobb deep book the infamous where he states pac right hand man Randy stretch Walker & close associate of pac name is E-Money bags both visited him in prison and pac told them he was going to blame biggie & puff cause at the time they was running hip hop and this would boost his career





at the end of the day - there absolutely no reason to put any of this on biggie

Its not that Im not giving him credit but I felt he did owe him more but its one of those character judgements where we gonna have to agree to disagree

 

[Wacky D]

@kingofnyc

we quoting prodigy now?

the bottom line is, biggie had ample time to get in touch with pac, which could've diffused the situation.

 

[seemorecizzy]

@kingofnyc

we quoting prodigy now?

the bottom line is, biggie had ample time to get in touch with pac, which could've diffused the situation.

just curious
what was biggie supposed to say to pac?
diffuse what situation?
pac knew biggie had nothing to do with it
big showed up to the hospital, spoke to pacs dad and gave him back his burner
tupac never mentioned this in ANY of his rants
i wonder why

was biggir supposed to go and tell him that henchmen did it so pac could blabber his mouth about it again?

 

[imirza]

the original interview was on some 'they knew shyt'is
the actual version was heavily edited by Vibe, in which made pac mad at Kevin Powell & Vibe mag
it was so bad legendary Fab Five Freddy was brought in to resolve the conflict

Didn't know that. I wonder how that worked since Fab Five Freddy and Henchman have always been good friends and remain friends to this day.

 

[CASHAPP]

Faith Evans says that herself and Voletta still believe LAPD officers were involved.

I get that breh but it is in Suge''s nature to do something like this by setting up a hit from prison.

I mean look at what he even did years after in the early 2000s when he was still "allegedly" putting out hits on other enemies.

Lets be real for a sec........why WOULDN"T Suge set up a hit through his girlfriend if she was the only one who he could talk to to ask one of his shooters to get Biggie or Puff..It makes no sense to me with how much Suge hated Puff. Maybe the LAPD was involved...but Suge would have to be also. I would have liked to be a fly on the wall though and see how Suge reacted

 

[Wacky D]

just curious
what was biggie supposed to say to pac?
diffuse what situation?
pac knew biggie had nothing to do with it
big showed up to the hospital, spoke to pacs dad and gave him back his burner
tupac never mentioned this in ANY of his rants
i wonder why

was biggir supposed to go and tell him that henchmen did it so pac could blabber his mouth about it again?

i don't recall pac saying biggie had anything to do with it.

some misunderstandings and harbored bitterness could've been resolved.

pac is in jail, hearing all this chit from insider the wall & outside of it. hes hearing "who shot ya" and all the subliminal chit in the interviews.

 

[CASHAPP]

Its bc they were paid for the hit. He knew the irs would be up his ass if he told the feds he got paid for it. Nobody wants to hear the truth but what happened was 2pac ran afoul two crews out of New York..the A team and the smaller crew inside the A team called the enterprise which puffy was apart of. It's deep and intricate but they were selling coke to the crips out in L.A. ...Zip was apart of this crew. He introduced puffy and biggie to them and had them around for protection whenever out west. Pac wanted revenge for what happened out in N.Y. so he began pressing them on wax and in the streets. He went at biggie bc they were close and he felt biggie turned his back on him either out of fear or disloyalty. Puffy kicked everything into high gear running his mouth. Pac plotted his revenge. Links up with deathrow who then proceeds to stomp thru 96 on a mission to shut them down and destroy biggies playa image. He is turning bad boy/ into a laughing stock and is fukking up their money. He starts to expose them in various interviews. Puffy puts out a bounty on death row chains which sets off a chain reaction of events. Puffy doesn't pay for the hit and more than likely isnt the one who thought it up but he is the one who solicited the contract per the dudes from NY who wanted Pac dead in the first place. Imo i think thw crips were in LV to collect on that 1 mil bounty..its mere coincidence they ran into Anderson.

The only thing i'm still trying to figure out from this case is besides it being obvious that Zip did get the money and just didn't wanna implicate himself...What i wanna know is why didn't Suge tell Poochie to take care of Diddy also? Was Suge afraid it would bring even more attention on him or just wanted to send a message? With how much Suge hated Diddy you would think Diddy would be first on his mind especially with the bad blood with Puff's security guard killing Jack Robles

Or is the reason just simple and did Puff really save his life by running the red light?

And another small thing i'm wondering about that is not relevant but just curiosity i have is i wonder if Pac ever met Poochie in person

The same way Pac and Big are linked, Puff and Suge are linked. Pac and Big died from their mistakes and karma and Suge just got in jail 2 years ago and may end up there possibly for life. It seems hard to believe that Puff is just gonna be the only person to be unscathed...nah man something has got to be happening to Puff soon.

 

[Renzo]

The only thing i'm still trying to figure out from this case is besides it being obvious that Zip did get the money and just didn't wanna implicate himself...What i wanna know is why didn't Suge tell Poochie to take care of Diddy also? Was Suge afraid it would bring even more attention on him or just wanted to send a message? With how much Suge hated Diddy you would think Diddy would be first on his mind especially with the bad blood with Puff's security guard killing Jack Robles

Or is the reason just simple and did Puff really save his life by running the red light?

And another small thing i'm wondering about that is not relevant but just curiosity i have is i wonder if Pac ever met Poochie in person

The same way Pac and Big are linked, Puff and Suge are linked. Pac and Big died from their mistakes and karma and Suge just got in jail 2 years ago and may end up there possibly for life. It seems hard to believe that Puff is just gonna be the only person to be unscathed...nah man something has got to be happening to Puff soon.

Here's where people get confused but Suge interjected himself into Pacs beef. The source diss is a month before Suge boy gets murdered and 2pac officially signs with deathrow. Peep the 2pac shout out and puffy diss. Go back and listen to the music..it was death threats flying from both sides. Who they were beefing with werent just rap dudes, they were killers. Im sure the hit was meant for puffy and biggie. I think he only got like 10 of the 20k but thats if you believe suge paid for the hit. Im more of the thought it was someone from 2pacs family tree. He was royalty within the black liberation movement.

 

[CASHAPP]

Here's where people get confused but Suge interjected himself into Pacs beef. The source diss is a month before Suge boy gets murdered and 2pac officially signs with deathrow. Peep the 2pac shout out and puffy diss. Go back and listen to the music..it was death threats flying from both sides. Who they were beefing with werent just rap dudes, they were killers. Im sure the hit was meant for puffy and biggie. I think he only got like 10 of the 20k but thats if you believe suge paid for the hit. Im more of the thought it was someone from 2pacs family tree. He was royalty within the black liberation movement.

Nah if not Poochie i'm convinced it was one of Suge's boys. Pac was royalty within alot of different groups, those groups didn't help protect him from getting shot. And it was easy to get at Biggie anyway. I could have followed Biggie that night myself and shot him. Plus they were in LA for 2 and a half weeks, Suge had enough time to put the word out for the hit. He probably from jail even expected Biggie to eventually go back out to LA.

Who knows maybe it could have even been Alton McDonald, Suge's right hand. Or maybe Kading was right and Poochie was used more to get his hands dirty. It would be funny if it was McDonald aka Buntry though being that it is one of the people Pac shouts out on To Live and Die in LA. Wouldn't that be the height of irony though? That on a song called "To Live and Die in LA", Pac names a shooter that actually did kill Biggie in LA?

Wondering if Suge's babymomma just said Poochie cause him and the other guys are all dead so it doesn't matter who she said. Its still circumstantial though. They should have never given her immunity. I do wonder though if in Suge's murder trial if he will be given a deal by prosecutors and if he decides to implicate Puff. I don't know how he would implicate Puff in Pac's death though, like what could he tell them?

But the fact that the money "allegedly" paid for Biggie's death was so low compared to Pac at $1 million was Suge sending a subliminal message that his guy was worth more money than Big. It was supposed to insult him. And where Biggie got shot is also blocks away from Death Row Records.

 

[Renzo]

Nah if not Poochie i'm convinced it was one of Suge's boys. Pac was royalty within alot of different groups, those groups didn't help protect him from getting shot. And it was easy to get at Biggie anyway. I could have followed Biggie that night myself and shot him. Plus they were in LA for 2 and a half weeks, Suge had enough time to put the word out for the hit. He probably from jail even expected Biggie to eventually go back out to LA.

Who knows maybe it could have even been Alton McDonald, Suge's right hand. Or maybe Kading was right and Poochie was used more to get his hands dirty. It would be funny if it was McDonald aka Buntry though being that it is one of the people Pac shouts out on To Live and Die in LA. Wouldn't that be the height of irony though? That on a song called "To Live and Die in LA", Pac names a shooter that actually did kill Biggie in LA?

Wondering if Suge's babymomma just said Poochie cause him and the other guys are all dead so it doesn't matter who she said. Its still circumstantial though. They should have never given her immunity. I do wonder though if in Suge's murder trial if he will be given a deal by prosecutors and if he decides to implicate Puff. I don't know how he would implicate Puff in Pac's death though, like what could he tell them?

But the fact that the money "allegedly" paid for Biggie's death was so low compared to Pac at $1 million was Suge sending a subliminal message that his guy was worth more money than Big. It was supposed to insult him. And where Biggie got shot is also blocks away from Death Row Records.

Pac was supposed to have been the face of the black liberation movement had he not got into music. His whole family was plugged in and about their business, how would they have saved him from being shot? They protected him after the shooting, they fruit of Islam were right there after the shooting escorting him into court and were there that night biggie was killed pressing puffy.

 

[kingofnyc]

@kingofnyc

we quoting prodigy now?

the bottom line is, biggie had ample time to get in touch with pac, which could've diffused the situation.

that wasn't prodigy words - that was from big stretch & e money



and i done posted a series of reason why biggie didn't reach out - that's on you if you choose not to believe
which takes it back to prodigy book ; it wouldn't have mattered anywayz cause pac wanted to use this incident for his benefit