Murder Rap Documentary: The Untold Story of the 2pac & Biggie Murder

[Antiquity]

Suge interjected himself into Pacs beef.

He probably saw it as the perfect opportunity to get back at Puff by linking up with someone who despised Puff. That's likely why pac and suge had a hit put out on them. The both of them together after Puff was lethal, they most definitely had Big/Puff terrifed.

Some people have said that Pac initiated the coastal war for sales (*cough* Prodigy *cough*) but I never believed that. You don't make a song like "Hit em up" trying to earn some extra record sales. He did that record out of fury and disgust. He was already selling multi platinum records before the beef so why would he need to start one to sell?

I still don't understand how Big/Puff got dragged into the beef in the first place?...They didn't shoot Pac. Henchmen did. And how does Pac know that Big/Puff knew of the Quad robbery/shooting before it was going to happen? He went to prison rather than Henchmen and the rest of his crew for the rape charge. That's two times in the same year Henchmen screwed him up. Biggie was no choir boy, but it seems like he got blamed for issues that Pac really had aimed towards Henchmen and Tut. Pac thought Biggie had waaaaay more clout/power on the East Coast than he actually did. Biggie was a broke 22 year old when that Quad shooting took place.



That rape case was the beginning of the end for him.

 

[CASHAPP]

He probably saw it as the perfect opportunity to get back at Puff by linking up with someone who despised Puff. That's likely why pac and suge had a hit put out on them. The both of them together after Puff was lethal, they most definitely had Big/Puff terrifed.

Some people have said that Pac initiated the coastal war for sales (*cough* Prodigy *cough*) but I never believed that. You don't make a song like "Hit em up" trying to earn some extra record sales. He did that record out of fury and disgust. He was already selling multi platinum records before the beef so why would he need to start one to sell?

I still don't understand how Big/Puff got dragged into the beef in the first place?...They didn't shoot Pac. Henchmen did. And how does Pac know that Big/Puff knew of the Quad robbery/shooting before it was going to happen? He went to prison rather than Henchmen and the rest of his crew for the rape charge. That's two times in the same year Henchmen screwed him up. Biggie was no choir boy, but it seems like he got blamed for issues that Pac really had aimed towards Henchmen and Tut. Pac thought Biggie had waaaaay more clout/power on the East Coast than he actually did. Biggie was a broke 22 year old when that Quad shooting took place.



That rape case was the beginning of the end for him.

Pac has explained why numerous times in radio interviews and magazines. For you to ask these "why" questions you have not paid attention over the years.

That being said Biggie releasing Who Shot Ya was dumb as fukk. People like always with Biggie, put the blame on Puff for trying to make money off a situation and as always forget Biggie is a grown ass man. He is the artist and knows it would look bad to release that single 2 to 3 months after Pac was shot.

And Pac was already going at Henchman and Tut even before Against All Odds. He was going at them through the street and handling Bad Boy on a mainstream level. He answered all these silly questions your asking and your still asking them I cant with some of you guys.

Pac knew Chris didn't have all that clout he was mad that he wasn't straightforward about warning him instead of doing it in a round about way . He was able to forgive that BEFORE Biggie decided to do the whole Who Shot Ya thing to ignite a situation.

What really pissed off Pac though was when he was locked up from February to October, Biggie was everywhere all over the radio making all this money and getting so popular. Never once even visiting Pac in jail or writing him a letter...which looked bad because even thots that Pac was smashing found the time to send him letters but Biggie himself could not do it and he is supposed to be his boy. Biggie fans bring up him visiting Pac in the hospital but leave out the fact he never had any form of contact with him in jail.

Me Against the World was a success already but as the album was about to be released and throughout that year, Biggie didn't even help promote his boy's album. Im not talking about making informericials or something...but just something as simple as saying "Shout out to my boy Pac who is locked up now...he got his album out now make sure you go and support that".

He had time to complain that the beats on MATW were supposed to go to him....but couldn't find the time to rep the album. It was a success already but its the thought im referring to.

Plus how would Big look to Pac later on if Suge bailed him out, gave him an album deal and bought his mother a house and helped his family out. In Pac's mind he was saying to himself all those are things Big and Bad Boy could have done for him with all the hits and money they were making from the charts in 1995. People forget that Big and Puff could have EASILY did the same thing Suge did and bailed him out in exchange for a Record Deal.

These were the main reasons Pac was pissed at Big and went at him breh....

Like i always learned in life when you are trying to figure out the puzzle or reason for something. ....always go to money as the key reason

 

[<<TheStandard>>]

The Biggie murder is more of a mystery.

It's pretty obvious that Orlando Anderson and his boys killed Pac, that was clear for a long time. The big question to me is if Puff and Big were involved. Keefe D said Biggie may have not known, but then claimed Faith knew about it. Hard to believe Faith knew and Big didn't.

But the Biggie murder? Kading does a good job of shutting down Poole's theories. It seems the most believable, but I still wouldn't be shocked if Kading was wrong and it turned out crooked LAPD officers were involved.

The authorities not continuing to pursue the Pac case and "letting sleeping dogs lie" had me skeptical about Puff being involved. I understand if it was just Orlando Anderson and the Southside Crips involved, and not bothering to investigate further especially since most of the people are dead or locked up. But Puff? I imagine the FBI would get a hard-on on the possibility of building a murder case against a hip-hop producer the stature of Diddy

With the shooter (Poochie) dead and no real connection from Keefe D to Puff, this gets laughed out of the court room.

Puff in 96-97 isn't the the same Puff as we see in this millennium. Almost no one's going to believe it based on where Puff is now.

 

[Antiquity]

Pac knew Chris didn't have all that clout he was mad that he wasn't straightforward about warning him instead of doing it in a round about way . He was able to forgive that BEFORE Biggie decided to do the whole Who Shot Ya thing to ignite a situation.

Yeah but Big and Mike Tyson warned Pac beforehand not to hang around Henchmen but he did it anyway. How are they accountable for if Pac and Henchmen fell out in that studio? Biggie was stupid for doing WSY and releasing it after Pac got shot. We have to remember that Biggie was an arrogant person, that's why E-40 almost murked his ass in Oakland for talking greasy. But Pac put way too much attention on Big and Puff when he shouldve been aiming all of that anger towards the cats who actually shot him. Biggie had no clout and ran behind the scenes with subliminals to air out his frustrations. Pac was wasting his time going after Big.

What really pissed off Pac though was when he was locked up from February to October, Biggie was everywhere all over the radio making all this money and getting so popular. Never once even visiting Pac in jail or writing him a letter...which looked bad because even thots that Pac was smashing found the time to send him letters but Biggie himself could not do it and he is supposed to be his boy. Biggie fans bring up him visiting Pac in the hospital but leave out the fact he never had any form of contact with him in jail.

I know but why would Biggie go see Pac in jail if Pac had just cussed him out about (allegedly) setting him up/not telling him about the robbery? Their friendship was probably over the moment Pac aired Biggie out, and when Big put out WSY.

Me Against the World was a success already but as the album was about to be released and throughout that year, Biggie didn't even help promote his boy's album. Im not talking about making informericials or something...but just something as simple as saying "Shout out to my boy Pac who is locked up now...he got his album out now make sure you go and support that".

Where did Pac get the impression that Biggie had a giving nature? Sounds too me like he thought too highly of Big. And Big was under Puff's control - would Puff had allowed him to say "go buy pac's album" after Puff had just gotten accused by Pac of setting him up?

Big and Bad Boy could have done for him with all the hits and money they were making from the charts in 1995. People forget that Big and Puff could have EASILY did the same thing Suge did and bailed him out in exchange for a Record Deal.

Puffy's bum ass robbed each and every one of the artists on his label, including Big himself. Big was broke when he died. Puff was cheap towards his own artists, there's no way he wouldve spent 1 mil bailing out Pac, especially after the accusations.

 

[CASHAPP]

With the shooter (Poochie) dead and no real connection from Keefe D to Puff, this gets laughed out of the court room.

Puff in 96-97 isn't the the same Puff as we see in this millennium. Almost no one's going to believe it based on where Puff is now.

Plus Kading was using hearsay. Although I do definitely think it was someone in Suge's Piru Bloods...

How do we know it wasn't "Neckbone"? Or "Buntry"? "Heron"?Even though it likely could have been Poochie

The very least Kading could have done was seen if he could use updated technology in the modern world to see if he could get a clearer shot of that guy that was standing outside the museum by Biggie's car. Remember that shot in the video of Biggie's last day? Where we saw a guy get in a car next to Big's car?

Writing up some fake ass letter with a coerced confession to conclude the Biggie case?

Especially since its obvious Orlando killed Pac but he spent more time on that and spend the remaining 20 mins of the movie to rush a theory on Biggie.

 

[seemorecizzy]

Pac has explained why numerous times in radio interviews and magazines. For you to ask these "why" questions you have not paid attention over the years.

That being said Biggie releasing Who Shot Ya was dumb as fukk. People like always with Biggie, put the blame on Puff for trying to make money off a situation and as always forget Biggie is a grown ass man. He is the artist and knows it would look bad to release that single 2 to 3 months after Pac was shot.

And Pac was already going at Henchman and Tut even before Against All Odds. He was going at them through the street and handling Bad Boy on a mainstream level. He answered all these silly questions your asking and your still asking them I cant with some of you guys.

Pac knew Chris didn't have all that clout he was mad that he wasn't straightforward about warning him instead of doing it in a round about way . He was able to forgive that BEFORE Biggie decided to do the whole Who Shot Ya thing to ignite a situation.

What really pissed off Pac though was when he was locked up from February to October, Biggie was everywhere all over the radio making all this money and getting so popular. Never once even visiting Pac in jail or writing him a letter...which looked bad because even thots that Pac was smashing found the time to send him letters but Biggie himself could not do it and he is supposed to be his boy. Biggie fans bring up him visiting Pac in the hospital but leave out the fact he never had any form of contact with him in jail.

Me Against the World was a success already but as the album was about to be released and throughout that year, Biggie didn't even help promote his boy's album. Im not talking about making informericials or something...but just something as simple as saying "Shout out to my boy Pac who is locked up now...he got his album out now make sure you go and support that".

He had time to complain that the beats on MATW were supposed to go to him....but couldn't find the time to rep the album. It was a success already but its the thought im referring to.

Plus how would Big look to Pac later on if Suge bailed him out, gave him an album deal and bought his mother a house and helped his family out. In Pac's mind he was saying to himself all those are things Big and Bad Boy could have done for him with all the hits and money they were making from the charts in 1995. People forget that Big and Puff could have EASILY did the same thing Suge did and bailed him out in exchange for a Record Deal.

These were the main reasons Pac was pissed at Big and went at him breh....

Like i always learned in life when you are trying to figure out the puzzle or reason for something. ....always go to money as the key reason

biggie going to the hospital right after pac got shot, means a lot and is something pac never mentioned because it would go against his agenda
pac loves telling half stories, and bringing street business into music
Because he talks so much, and so loud, ppl think believe his every word,but a lot of the time hes full of shyt.

biggie distanced himself from pac after pac ran his mouth about biggie warning him.
he still cared for his star struck ass until him and his team got robbed and called out for trying to privately help him.,
pac started blaming stretch for the shooting as as well, biggie and stretch were close
biggie said dis nikka buggin and gave him some distance

who shot ya was made before pac was shot, was planning to come out before pac got shot, and biggie does not have to erase a classic record for tupac when the record has no ill will.
again, the situation could of been diffused in 2 seconds when biggie said "i did the song before pac got shot, i wouldnt diss him for no reason"
pac, also knew it was made before

but again, he had his agenda and pumped things up bigger than they had to be

 

[Antiquity]

Well, for one, Russell never believed Orlando was the shooter.

My question is - was Pac' s bodyguard Frank the one who started the rumors that someone other than Orlando shot Pac?

 

[Antiquity]

MOB Shotcaller Timmy Ru comments on Pac's night in vegas and the aftermath



2:29 says that Pac got in between the beef with the Mob and Southside

3:04: says Pac wanted to join the MOB because they were strong dudes with street smarts and power

4:55 says when you stomp compton dudes out you should expect for them to come back

8:35 says Buntry never shot back at the white cadillac

10:56 says he's never seen pac dead ()

Really informative interview vid, y'all should watch the whole thing through.

Pac had all of that potential and wasted it running around with gangbangers I have to question if his family even loved him

 

[FakeNews]

I'm reading a blurb I found from the Dexter Isaac book really interesting

edit posted the wrong thing here it is

Dexter says that he saw Puff immediately after that conversation with Jimmy and they made eye contact, that Dexter claims confirmed to him that Puff was aware of the plan.

 

[premier58]

The only thing i'm still trying to figure out from this case is besides it being obvious that Zip did get the money and just didn't wanna implicate himself...What i wanna know is why didn't Suge tell Poochie to take care of Diddy also? Was Suge afraid it would bring even more attention on him or just wanted to send a message? With how much Suge hated Diddy you would think Diddy would be first on his mind especially with the bad blood with Puff's security guard killing Jack Robles

Or is the reason just simple and did Puff really save his life by running the red light?

And another small thing i'm wondering about that is not relevant but just curiosity i have is i wonder if Pac ever met Poochie in person

The same way Pac and Big are linked, Puff and Suge are linked. Pac and Big died from their mistakes and karma and Suge just got in jail 2 years ago and may end up there possibly for life. It seems hard to believe that Puff is just gonna be the only person to be unscathed...nah man something has got to be happening to Puff soon.

I saw a shot of Poochie at the 95 Source Awards seated right behind Lady of Rage..Cant recall the timestamp, though..But it was definitely him..

 

[CASHAPP]

I saw a shot of Poochie at the 95 Source Awards seated right behind Lady of Rage..Cant recall the timestamp, though..But it was definitely him..

I'm gonna search it on youtube in a couple mins but ill take your word for it. This is gonna be crazy. And Biggie was at the 95 source awards too right? Its funny cause i forget who but someone mentioned that Suge made his infamous speech about Death Row and called out Puff cause earlier Biggie came up to Suge and supposedly spoke to him about working with him

I forget who said this but imagine the fukkery....Biggie goes to Suge the man who would later approve his death.......and also Biggie was in the same audience of Poochie the triggerman that killed him...The poster who said this whole Death Row/Bad Boy thing was like a Greek Tragedy was so right

 

[premier58]

I'm gonna search it on youtube in a couple mins but ill take your word for it. This is gonna be crazy. And Biggie was at the 95 source awards too right? Its funny cause i forget who but someone mentioned that Suge made his infamous speech about Death Row and called out Puff cause earlier Biggie came up to Suge and supposedly spoke to him about working with him

I forget who said this but imagine the fukkery....Biggie goes to Suge the man who would later approve his death.......and also Biggie was in the same audience of Poochie the triggerman that killed him...The poster who said this whole Death Row/Bad Boy thing was like a Greek Tragedy was so right

That whole saga is so Shakespearan...That Poochie shyt is truth. They cut to Lady of Rage in the audience and Poochie was seated righg behind her. shyt sent a chill up my spine..Another crazy plot twist is Orlando Anderson being in Atl the night Suges boy, Big Jake got killed and Faitj calling Zip after Pac got clipped and saying, "Was that us?"

 

[Antiquity]

I'm reading a blurb I found from the Dexter Isaac book really interesting

edit posted the wrong thing here it is

Dexter says that he saw Puff immediately after that conversation with Jimmy and they made eye contact, that Dexter claims confirmed to him that Puff was aware of the plan.

Why would Puff want to set him up though? Did him and Pac have beef before the Quad shooting?

 

[CASHAPP]

That whole saga is so Shakespearan...That Poochie shyt is truth. They cut to Lady of Rage in the audience and Poochie was seated righg behind her. shyt sent a chill up my spine..Another crazy plot twist is Orlando Anderson being in Atl the night Suges boy, Big Jake got killed and Faitj calling Zip after Pac got clipped and saying, "Was that us?"

Breh i watched all the vids on Youtube and still dont see it

I did see when Suge made the dancing all in the videos come to death row classic line they panned to Suge's people and there wa sa woman sitting next to Snoop in a blue outfit but it did not look like Lady of Rage.Plus in the performance Lady of Rage had a different outfit when she was on stage.

I'm saying that because behind this lady in blue were a couple guys in red shirts who i assume were Pirus but both of them looked dark skinned which Poochie i think wasnt

Can you give me more details of what Poochie was doing? Was he just sitting still laughing or what?

One hilarious part though was in the Death Row performance Lil Kim and Lil Cease were bopping their heads when Dre came out to perform but i think that is because Suge dissed Bad Boy later in the show so it was all cool before then

 

[kingofnyc]

Pac has explained why numerous times in radio interviews and magazines. For you to ask these "why" questions you have not paid attention over the years.

That being said Biggie releasing Who Shot Ya was dumb as fukk. People like always with Biggie, put the blame on Puff for trying to make money off a situation and as always forget Biggie is a grown ass man. He is the artist and knows it would look bad to release that single 2 to 3 months after Pac was shot.

And Pac was already going at Henchman and Tut even before Against All Odds. He was going at them through the street and handling Bad Boy on a mainstream level. He answered all these silly questions your asking and your still asking them I cant with some of you guys.

Pac knew Chris didn't have all that clout he was mad that he wasn't straightforward about warning him instead of doing it in a round about way . He was able to forgive that BEFORE Biggie decided to do the whole Who Shot Ya thing to ignite a situation.

What really pissed off Pac though was when he was locked up from February to October, Biggie was everywhere all over the radio making all this money and getting so popular. Never once even visiting Pac in jail or writing him a letter...which looked bad because even thots that Pac was smashing found the time to send him letters but Biggie himself could not do it and he is supposed to be his boy. Biggie fans bring up him visiting Pac in the hospital but leave out the fact he never had any form of contact with him in jail.

Me Against the World was a success already but as the album was about to be released and throughout that year, Biggie didn't even help promote his boy's album. Im not talking about making informericials or something...but just something as simple as saying "Shout out to my boy Pac who is locked up now...he got his album out now make sure you go and support that".

He had time to complain that the beats on MATW were supposed to go to him....but couldn't find the time to rep the album. It was a success already but its the thought im referring to.

Plus how would Big look to Pac later on if Suge bailed him out, gave him an album deal and bought his mother a house and helped his family out. In Pac's mind he was saying to himself all those are things Big and Bad Boy could have done for him with all the hits and money they were making from the charts in 1995. People forget that Big and Puff could have EASILY did the same thing Suge did and bailed him out in exchange for a Record Deal.

These were the main reasons Pac was pissed at Big and went at him breh....

Like i always learned in life when you are trying to figure out the puzzle or reason for something. ....always go to money as the key reason

you nikkaz with the revisionist history shyt gotta STOP it
the entirety of your post is extremely disingenuous

1. who shot ya was out & being played months before quad, and it was released in feb of '95 - 1 full month after pac implicated biggie/puff
2. if you think pac was going at tut & henchman on a street level... (breh -are you insane) all i gotta say is cocaine is a hellva drug
3. biggie did indeed warn pac, pac chose not to listen... matter of fact pac went back to jac & told jac what biggie said
4. why would biggie visit pac in jail - again, when pac implicated him in the quad studio incident
5. why would puff bail out pac like suge - again, when pac implicated him in the quad studio incident

i understand y'all nikkaz ride for pac in all - but y'all gotta STOP with these lame excuses - it was nothing biggie could have done to repair that relationship- read prodigy book (pac wanted biggie as his enemy)