Mike & Mike + Mark Schlereth unanimously agree Luck is Rookie of the Year

[TheNig]

Contextualizing shyt is essential, but holding teammates' success against a QB tends to be a selective employed tactic. We can rationalize the successes and failure of RGIII's, Wilson's, and Luck's teammates in al kinds of ways. Maybe Morris is running his ass off because RGIII is so dynamic he keeps the defense off kilter. Maybe Indy's running game sucks because teams focus on neutralizing it so Luck will throw some inaccurate passes they have a good chance of intercepting. Maybe Wilson's defense gets an adrenaline boost from seeing his baby hair and his wife's dino mouth. We can't say for sure, so we usually use the numbers. Luck ain't got the numbers.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

Here's the link to the Cowboys/Redskins highlight GameDay: Dallas Cowboys vs. Washington Redskins highlights - NFL Videos

RG3 runs are at 1:32 for a big gain, 2:20 (TD run, they even point out Ware crashing inside), 3:00 (another huge gain).

They all have one thing in common, outside contain is lost when those guys crash inside because of the fake handoff.

He spent most of that game frozen...barely being blocked, watching shyt unfold in front of him. Him selling out a few plays just supports my claim cuz it shows he got frustrated and undisciplined...largely due to RGIII's presence. Even Chris Collinsworth saw this and pointed it out like

I'm about to take the Reb approach, cuz clearly you're beating your chest on the wrong side of this argument.

 

[NUPE 1911]

If one has to be picked then it should be Luck who had very little actual help out there and pretty much had to carry an entire offense by himself.

 

[Lakers Offseason]

Address Alfred's 5.9 yards per carry running outside the hashes.

Is it the same as CJ Spiller's 5.8 yards per carry running between the TE and LT?

Alfred isn't as fast as CJ.....no way NEAR it. So it has more to do with RGIII's presence....

Breh, I've never said RG3 doesn't help Alfred. I've said they both help each other. The fallacy that RG3 has made Alfred is the comment that I beefed with.

 

[Lakers Offseason]

He spent most of that game frozen...barely being blocked, watching shyt unfold in front of him. Him selling out a few plays just supports my claim cuz it shows he got frustrated and undisciplined...largely due to RGIII's presence. Even Chris Collinsworth saw this and pointed it out like

I'm about to take the Reb approach, cuz clearly you're beating your chest on the wrong side of this argument.

You don't know shyt about football

 

[NYC Rebel]

Breh, I've never said RG3 doesn't help Alfred. I've said they both help each other. The fallacy that RG3 has made Alfred is the comment that I beefed with.

I'm sorry, but Alfred's biggest chunk of success comes from running outside the hashes....and he is NOT a speed back. That is mostly a byproduct of RGIII's presence.

 

[Lakers Offseason]

I'm sorry, but Alfred's biggest chunk of success comes from running outside the hashes....and he is NOT a speed back. That is mostly a byproduct of RGIII's presence.

It's because defenses stack defenders inside the box to defend the inside run which makes them vulnerable to outside runs or when he cuts back.

Look at the highlight vid I posted against the Cowboys and how great his vision is cutting back or bouncing outside for long gains. If you have the all 22, post that shyt so we can look at it.

 

[mastermind]

I said NOTHING about their assignments.

Who doesn't know they're SUPPOSED to crash inside? My point is they keep their eyes on RGIII and lose their assignments often enough to Alfred's benefit.

NOTHING about my point changes!

you are arguing with a dude who said that safeties and linebackers dont pay attention to play action fakes.

 

[Lakers Offseason]

you are arguing with a dude who said that safeties and linebackers dont pay attention to play action fakes.

"...they get tricked by RG3s ball handling skills....shyt's like the globetrotters..."

 

[Maschine_Man]

RG3 ain't even the best rookie on his own team

 

[bscott85]

I was bored and decided to do my own take on the stats for what it's worth.

I started with total fantasy points in a espn standard scoring league.

Why? I dunno. It's a # to start with and it accounts for most statistical categories.

RGIII - 304
Luck - 264
Wilson - 259

From there I added their QB rating.

RGIII - 102.4
Luck - 76.5
Wilson - 100.0

From there I added their ESPN Total QBR.

RGIII - 71.4
Luck - 65.0
Wilson - 69.6

From there I added 10 points per win.

RGIII - +90 (Didn't count the game he missed)
Luck - +110
Wilson - +110

From there I added 10 points for win differential from last season.

RGIII - +40 (Didn't count the game he missed)
Luck - +90
Wilson - +40

Opponent Winning Percentage:
RGIII - .504 if you throw out the game he missed
Luck - .441
Wilson - .496

-1 for every game opponents were under .500, +1 for every game opponents were over .500.

At the end I decided to dock RGIII another 10 points for the game he missed (he already lost 20 for the win total, and win differential, but gained 2 points in opponent winning percentage) I also took away 5 for missing half of the Atlanta game.

Final Rankings:
RGIII 584.8
Wilson 576.6
Luck 575.5

Wow that ended up amazingly close.


By no means is this a great statistical argument, using fantasy points and all because obviously that favors RGIII with the rushing yards, but I thought it was something interesting to look at.

I didn't know Luck's QB Rating was so low... 76.5 and 26th in the league

In all honesty though, they've done CO-MVP before.

I don't see why they couldn't just do CO-ROY and give it to all 3. They're all deserving.

 

[Box Cutta]

No..

He's a coach on the field, he's so cerebral out there. He is the most NFL ready prospect in the history of the draft.. You see all the check downs and adjustments he makes at the line of scrimmage?..His IQ is off the charts..He's an offensive coordinator with a helmet..Plus his coach had cancer so he took over as defacto defensive coordinator for the majority of the year..Class, smarts, brains, high character.. First to practice and last to leave.. Slept with an NFL playbook since the 5th grade...He started doing workouts with the receivers and tight ends 10 minutes after the draft, while he still had his suit and hard bottoms on... His 18 interceptions are from him being agressive and loving the game so much..Did I mention he was smart? Because that's the key.. He doesn't depend on his athleticism. Don't forget that he's been playing in a pro style offense since Pee Wee league.

*Dap*

shyt is depressingly close to reality too....

I used to like Mike and Mike when they like first came on....but at this point they seem like some Dan Patrick 'good-ole-boy' type dudes. Shame, they have decent chemistry, and they don't come off as obnoxious as most of the ESPN personalities.

And all the focus on baseball just needs to end, period.

 

[Jplaya2023]

I hate his white skin, his pink gums, his jew fro and his big jew nose, I hate the fact that he drinks mint julips and not erk n jerk, i hate his love for cream cheese and sarah jessica parker, i hate his john belushi poster, I hate his guts

underrated comment

R.I.P. Bernie Mack

 

[kash10003]

statistically the other 2 dominate to me, imo

with that said i think mike and mike both are pretty sold on AD as MVP

 

[Snitchin Splatter]

I been telling you internet analysts this was gonna happen. Common sense clearly show Luck did more with less and had the better season.

Deal with it