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Yeah I did, but all I see is opinions with no proof,facts and no mention of cuircumstances that support them. I was expecting more, but
Mike and Mike debating if KAJ top 5
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Yeah I did, but all I see is opinions with no proof,facts and no mention of cuircumstances that support them. I was expecting more, but
HacksawJimThuggin
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in no particular order:
MJ
Magic
Kareem
Bird
Wilt
edit: if you think Kobe is a top 5 player OF ALL TIME, then I can't really take your basketball opinion seriously
MJ
Magic
Kareem
Bird
Wilt
edit: if you think Kobe is a top 5 player OF ALL TIME, then I can't really take your basketball opinion seriously
Field Marshall Bradley
Veteran
But did he? Your speaking on what ifs, nikkaz speakin on what is.
I'll letchu tell it tho, Kobe is overrated, fortunate, a slightly better T-Mac, overall Kobe Bean Bryant is the shyttiest all time great ever he just so happened to magically stumble into lists with all time greats. He's really no different than Manu Ginobili, any bum ass nikka can personally outscore a whole team in 3 quarters.
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Why not?
If we account for resume, longevity, performance, skill level/ability, accolades, and era dominance, who is really ahead of Kobe?
Michael? sure
Kareem? Fine
After that it gets shady. We can say Magic, but Kobe has a clear edge on Defense, we can say Kobe had shaq but Magic had Kareem, so why does he never get credit taken away for it? But when you compare Their teams when they were both the undisputed leader(Magic 85-91, and Kobe 05-today) it's night and day in terms of Talent in favor of Magic. Plus the 80's Western conference was a joke.
Kobe is top 5 or better in most categories we would rank players in
Field Marshall Bradley
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I agree with you for the most part, but can a truly rational argument be made that Kobe doesn't belong in the top 5?
I know Kareem and Wilt are in there most definitely, but to be honest, you can really make a case for Kobe being top 5 that is really no different than the same reason most cat's put MJ in the top 5
However, Bean is not in my top 5.
28 Gramz
How U Luv That???
No disrespect but I cant take anyone who played in the Jim Crow era over Kobe fukkin Bryant no matter how many rings they have. nikkas in here 21-23 years old talkin about Bill Russell 
Long Live The Kane
Tyrant Titan
By the actual merits....to me, KAJ is prolly the GOAT...his resume in my estimation is the best...the national championships in college, the six rings in the league, the mvps, the all-time scoring record...the last of which speaks to what I don't think gets enough consideration in these discussions, the importance of longevity and sustained excellence.. Cap was an all nba 1st team caliber player in the league at the age of 38, 17 seasons into his career...that shyts amazing to me...when I look at what's Kobe's doing this season, putting up 28pts 5ast 5rbs in his 17th season in the league, it's that same kind of sustained excellence and why I have to give him the nod over bird and magic in my all-time list if absolutely pressed to do so ...the fact that Kobe is still putting up hall of fame numbers at the stage of his career when bird or magic were sitting at the crib, just ain't some negligible fact
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If its not about emotion then take the bytchyness out of your tone and stop trying to misrepresent what I've said, would you please? I spoke very clearly, don't tell me what I implied. If I wanted to say any of the things that you're lying about me implying, then I would've said it. Your "he ain't even better than Larry Bird" comment says it all. You're a fanboy who can't be objective. You see my position here as some kind of dis to Kobe instead of just an opinion. People who don't worship your "gawd" as you do are not haters. Why do you acting like it's blasphemous to say that Bird was better when you can only muster a piss-poor retort to my argument? I didn't say that Bird could of been a better scorer than Kobe, I said that he could score as much more efficiently. Bird never averaged 20 shots a game once in his career. He simply wast the gunner that Kobe is. As far as Kobe being the primary playmaker when the Lakers 3peated?You didn't have to say shyt, you implied it.
Those positions don't hurt my feelings, they boggle my mind to be honest. Kobe has done things no nikka did and yet he ain't even better than Larry? Not to say that Larry wasn't great cuz he was, but what's the point of saying Larry "could of" been a better scorer if he wasn't? What's the point of saying Larry was a better playmaker when Kobe was the primary playmaker on a 3peat team? Does Larry have his name next to Wilt anywhere? At their best, who played better individual defense? I'll be damned if you try to tell me Larry.
Again it isn't about emotion, it's about fairness.
Ok, of that makes you feel better. Ill repeat though, Kobe was not the playmaker that Bird was. Ive already agreed that Kobe was a better individual defender, but that doesn't outweigh Bird being a more efficient scorer, a better playmaker, a better team player/leader, and a better rebounder.Well this is all about opinion, what did you expect? Do I really have to provide the facts that prove that Bird was a more efficient scorer, better playmaker, and better rebounder because you're not smart enough to find them yourself? Who are you anyway? Im not here to convince you of anything. I stated an opinion and a short argument to support that opinion. You disagree, so you can either contest my opinion/argument or KIM.
Yeah I did, but all I see is opinions with no proof,facts and no mention of cuircumstances that support them. I was expecting more, but
I've seen some absolutely vicious Bird vs Kobe debates on realgm and they are all way, way closer than you would expect. Especially when it comes to playoff performance.
Kobe, Bird, Duncan, Shaq, and Magic are all pretty close IMO.
Kobe, Bird, Duncan, Shaq, and Magic are all pretty close IMO.
holidayinn21
:SmugMoneyMike:
What did he say? Breh, all jokes aside, I'm curious about your stance, please stick to the script and explain in enough detail why you feel Bird was better.
don't bother.
dudes resorts to insults out of the blue.
bytchmade shyt.
If its not about emotion then take the bytchyness out of your tone and stop trying to misrepresent what I've said, would you please? I spoke very clearly, don't tell me what I implied. If I wanted to say any if the things that you're lying about me implying, ten I would've said it. Your "he ain't even better than Larry Bird" comment says it all. You're a fanboy who can't be objective. You see my position here as some kind of dis to Kobe instead of just an opinion. People who don't worship your "gawd" as you do are not haters. Why do you acting like it's blasphemous to say that Bird was better when you can only muster a piss-poor retort to my argument? I didn't say that Bird could of been a better scorer than Kobe, I said that he could score as much more efficiently. Bird never averaged 20 shots a game once in his career. He simply wast the gunner that Kobe is. As far as Kobe being the primary playmaker when the Lakers 3peated?
It's been a rough season breh, I been ji snippy with everybody in here. Yeah i'm
idgafdwi.I didn't read anything else you wrote so I'll put it like this, you made your opinion sound like definite facts when it sounded like a bunch of what ifs. I gave you some real examples on how Kobe's better than Bird. But I dunno, if you think efficient scoring > scoring in an of itself then that's where we differ. The way I see it, Kobe scored more than Bird so he's a better scorer, Kobe has lasted longer so his longevity factors in this, he was the facilitator and playmaker on a 3peat team like said and later on ran a back to back.
I dunno, it is what it is. I'll let you think that Larry Bird is better than Kobe Bryant.
I have Duncan as the best forward ever, so he's ahead of Bird, and while I think Bird was a bad man I also have Kobe ahead of him as well.
Magic I have above Duncan and Kobe though.
dantheman9758
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FreedS[ohh]lave;2440732 said:
Nobody could get him the ball, he's a center he needs people to feed him but NY's forwards and backcourt was playing out of they dang mind that game and nobody could dribble or pass on LA w/o turning it over. Wilt didn't "choke", that's just uninformed finger pointing.
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And the game before that Wilt had 45 points 27 rebounds. And the guy had knee surgery 6 months prior... You can point to his free throws and say "he choked" but in LA nobody counted on Wilt's points at the free throw line to win that never was part of the game plan. If Wilt had made his free throws that night LA still gets blown out by the Knicks who basically steamrolled them with Clyde Frazier's beastly performance (something like 36 points 19 assists) and NY's exploitation of LA's guard/forwards. NY dominated that game plain and simple. These "choke" myths gotta stop, its revisionist history to suggest Wilt was a "choker" - his peers never thought of him as one, why should we?