"Middle Class" Blacks in the United States

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So white people are wrong to react to someone whose appearance is threatening? You don't respond differently to someone you see as a threat vs someone you don't? What's supposed to be the takeaway here?
It's not the reaction, it's the thought that black people are threatening in the first place

White people view a black person in anything but a suit and tie as threatening. White people view big dark skin black people as more threatening than small light kin people. No there's is nothing wrong with responding to someone who is actually threatening. But a tall darksin black dude in jeans and a t-shirt shouldn't be threatening to anybody.

He says he walks around with a serious expression and for some time drove a ratty car through good neighborhoods among other things. IOW often times he himself fit the description just based on appearance, yet he was never profiled. How is that in any way an implication that those who WERE profiled "deserved it" or brought it on themselves
The fact that he feels the need to point those things out as if they should matter proves that he feels certain people get the treatment because they brought in on themselves.

It's like sayin " I know they get the treatment, but I'm different so I don't"

If she was like that the moment she opened the store's doors you'd have a point, but you don't know what her perceptions are based on. She might have had recurring problems with black patrons that put her on guard. Is it right? No, but everyone does it. Hell people in here have done it w/police & black people who don't completely buy into the "them against us" ideology, often w/o cause or base

How do you know how she was when they first entered the store? I'm sure she didn't have a problem with young black kids stealing Slavonic literature. And regardless of any of that you agreed that she was wrong so what are we talking about here?
 

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You're a fukking douche bag but I'll indulge you for a minute.

This is nonsense.

I've lived all over the country and world and this simply isn't true.

Some of the best people around me throughout my life have been from other backgrounds.

Namely Hispanic, Asian and Arab and I could break it down further if I cared to.

you're wrong and he's right actually.

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It's not the reaction, it's the thought that black people are threatening in the first place

White people view a black person in anything but a suit and tie as threatening. White people view big dark skin black people as more threatening than small light kin people. No there's is nothing wrong with responding to someone who is actually threatening. But a tall darksin black dude in jeans and a t-shirt shouldn't be threatening to anybody.
Now whose stereotyping :comeon:

Just like some white people are bad at making distinctions between different kinds of black people the same is true when the colors are reversed.

And it has to be the reaction- how could it be the thought if they don't react?

The fact that he feels the need to point those things out as if they should matter proves that he feels certain people get the treatment because they brought in on themselves.

By this logic he was "bringing it on himself" despite never having experienced it. In no way is his citing of those attributes an indictment of black people who choose to fit a certain profile in appearance

It's like sayin " I know they get the treatment, but I'm different so I don't"
Because you interpret it that way, because you want to write him off as a boot licker instead of listen to what he has to say because it doesn't fit into your narrative that all white people are racist and all black people are victims of said racism to equal degrees/amounts

How do you know how she was when they first entered the store? I'm sure she didn't have a problem with young black kids stealing Slavonic literature. And regardless of any of that you agreed that she was wrong so what are we talking about here?
What we are talking about is your presumption that the lady's reaction was based on a racist POV rather than experience, when in reality it could be either, or, or a mix of the two, but more importantly that without actually going and interrogating the woman on her views and motives your speculation is just that.

There is def a lot of racism, but folks like you who look for it in everything, even when it isn't there, blunt the impact, gravity and receptiveness by the rest of society to legitimate grievances by crying wolf
 

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The author is really trying to show that institutionalized racism doesn't exist because he was around PC-centric white folks who never called him names to his face? Mass inequalities and marginalization across health, workplace, education practices vs. his privileged little individual life? I'm tired of people thinking that hate crimes are the only performance of racism, institutional racism is far more deadly.
 

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Now whose stereotyping :comeon:

Just like some white people are bad at making distinctions between different kinds of black people the same is true when the colors are reversed.

And it has to be the reaction- how could it be the thought if they don't react?

Excuse me for not specifying, but obviously I'm talking about racist white people not all white people. And there would be no reaction without the incorrect racist assumptions in the first place.



By this logic he was "bringing it on himself" despite never having experienced it. In no way is his citing of those attributes an indictment of black people who choose to fit a certain profile in appearance


Because you interpret it that way, because you want to write him off as a boot licker instead of listen to what he has to say because it doesn't fit into your narrative that all white people are racist and all black people are victims of said racism to equal degrees/amounts
you are correct it is the way i interperate it. You interperate it differently so I won't argue you on that.

As for the bolded :mindblown: who said that. This sentiment is exactly why I feel the way that i feel about this article and you. Just because I won't ignore racism somehow I think all white people are racists and all black people are victims. When have I said anything to indicate that I feel this way?


What we are talking about is your presumption that the lady's reaction was based on a racist POV rather than experience, when in reality it could be either, or, or a mix of the two, but more importantly that without actually going and interrogating the woman on her views and motives your speculation is just that.

There is def a lot of racism, but folks like you who look for it in everything, even when it isn't there, blunt the impact, gravity and receptiveness by the rest of society to legitimate grievances by crying wolf
:comeon: so are you not speculating

Im only going off his description. He said she was "visibly terrified" unless she had gotten beat by young black dudes she has no reason to be terrified by two young black men walking in her store. I'm not looking for racism I'm commenting on a story that I read. I'm not outraged, nor do I really give a fukk what that lady thinks.

We can't have a real conversation about race because people like you and the author have nothing but excuses when it comes to talking about racism and you point the finger at those react to it instead of those that commit the actual racism. On the other end of the spectrum is those that want to holler racism at everything and point the finger at those such as yourself calling them c00ns, instead of directing their energy torward addressing the problems that racism causes. Both are equally wrong and shouldn't be taken seriously.
 

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Excuse me for not specifying, but obviously I'm talking about racist white people not all white people. And there would be no reaction without the incorrect racist assumptions in the first place.
I think had I not said anything you wouldn't have "specified". And you don't know where the assumptions come from. If a chick gets raped for example she might have what you think are unreasonable reactions towards men. Is this the norm in this analog? No, probably not. But to say everyone who has these reactions is incorrect/racist is presumptuous

As for the bolded :mindblown: who said that. This sentiment is exactly why I feel the way that i feel about this article and you. Just because I won't ignore racism somehow I think all white people are racists and all black people are victims. When have I said anything to indicate that I feel this way?
Nobody is ignoring racism. We can talk all day about shyt like the 75th precinct being ordered to harass black + Latino civilians by commanding officers to pad stats. We can talk about the prison slavery complex. We can talk about Arizona. Those are documented open cases of institutional racism that are still taking place as we speak. So you can miss me with that.

Here's the difference. I don't think it's intellectually honest to try and use individual anecdotal experiences to make broad sweeping indictments. If a store clerk follows you around, that store clerk might be racist, but that doesn't mean there is some grand racist conspiracy leading all the way up to the CEO. Even with cops, all NYPD cops are not killing + sodomizing black men. There seems to be this inability to see the difference between individual instances and real broad sweeping racist initiatives, and any effort to pause to make the distinction is written off as racist apologizing/c00nery etc

So really the discussions can only go one way, as they always do


:comeon: so are you not speculating

Im only going off his description. He said she was "visibly terrified" unless she had gotten beat by young black dudes she has no reason to be terrified by two young black men walking in her store. I'm not looking for racism I'm commenting on a story that I read. I'm not outraged, nor do I really give a fukk what that lady thinks.

Again... you yourself are speculating that nothing ever happened to her. I am saying we don't know, and that while she overreacted it might have been from something real or it might not have. You have determined that it isn't and are branding her as racist as a result of your speculation

We can't have a real conversation about race because people like you and the author have nothing but excuses when it comes to talking about racism and you point the finger at those react to it instead of those that commit the actual racism. On the other end of the spectrum is those that want to holler racism at everything and point the finger at those such as yourself calling them c00ns, instead of directing their energy torward addressing the problems that racism causes. Both are equally wrong and shouldn't be taken seriously.

Nobody is making excuses for anybody. Where have I excused racism here?

And you are right, we can't have honest discussions on race, because there is only one accepted opinion and anything that diverges gets dogpiled & marginalized. There is never any room for discussing the consequences of the choices we make; there is never any room for even defining what racism is or how to quantify it; there is never any room for examining racism perpetuated by us. It always flows one way. ITs tired. Maybe one day we will wake up but prob wont happen in this thread
 

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The author is really trying to show that institutionalized racism doesn't exist because he was around PC-centric white folks who never called him names to his face? Mass inequalities and marginalization across health, workplace, education practices vs. his privileged little individual life? I'm tired of people thinking that hate crimes are the only performance of racism, institutional racism is far more deadly.

Exactly....
 

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I think had I not said anything you wouldn't have "specified". And you don't know where the assumptions come from. If a chick gets raped for example she might have what you think are unreasonable reactions towards men. Is this the norm in this analog? No, probably not. But to say everyone who has these reactions is incorrect/racist is presumptuous.
For someone who's against assumptions you sure make a lot of them.

Nobody is ignoring racism. We can talk all day about shyt like the 75th precinct being ordered to harass black + Latino civilians by commanding officers to pad stats. We can talk about the prison slavery complex. We can talk about Arizona. Those are documented open cases of institutional racism that are still taking place as we speak. So you can miss me with that.

Here's the difference. I don't think it's intellectually honest to try and use individual anecdotal experiences to make broad sweeping indictments. If a store clerk follows you around, that store clerk might be racist, but that doesn't mean there is some grand racist conspiracy leading all the way up to the CEO. Even with cops, all NYPD cops are not killing + sodomizing black men. There seems to be this inability to see the difference between individual instances and real broad sweeping racist initiatives, and any effort to pause to make the distinction is written off as racist apologizing/c00nery etc

So really the discussions can only go one way, as they always do
:snoop: more assumptions about people's assumptions.

Again... you yourself are speculating that nothing ever happened to her. I am saying we don't know, and that while she overreacted it might have been from something real or it might not have. You have determined that it isn't and are branding her as racist as a result of your speculation.
Racism
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.[/quote]

Doesn't matter if she has what she thinks is a good reason for it. Racism is racism.



Nobody is making excuses for anybody. Where have I excused racism here?

And you are right, we can't have honest discussions on race, because there is only one accepted opinion and anything that diverges gets dogpiled & marginalized. There is never any room for discussing the consequences of the choices we make; there is never any room for even defining what racism is or how to quantify it; there is never any room for examining racism perpetuated by us. It always flows one way. ITs tired. Maybe one day we will wake up but prob wont happen in this thread

all your doing is making excuses "bu bu but a black dude might have raped her" and the PUBLIC conversation about racism is dominated by those who believe it doesn't exist or that black people are just complaining and are "reverse racist" yea black people talk about racism within their own circles but the mainstream theme is that racism in America is very rare or non-existent which couldn't be further from the truth.
 

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You cant. There will always be cism of some kind until the return of Christ. Race is just another barrier
Christ came once and look at what we got. I dont see how him coming back would fix anything.

I'm also confused as to why we are so fixated on external factors beyond our control. How do you stop racism? Nobody has an answer. But I could mention problems we do have control over that I know people would throw a fit about. If black people dedicated the energy to internal problems as they do to racism we wouldn't even be tripping off racism because we wouldn't be dependent on those people for anything

But thats prob a whole nother discussion
 

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Christ came once and look at what we got. I dont see how him coming back would fix anything.

I'm also confused as to why we are so fixated on external factors beyond our control. How do you stop racism? Nobody has an answer. But I could mention problems we do have control over that I know people would throw a fit about. If black people dedicated the energy to internal problems as they do to racism we wouldn't even be tripping off racism because we wouldn't be dependent on those people for anything

But thats prob a whole nother discussion

Because hes coming back to kill everyone who have demonic hearts so there wont be anyone left but the good. :manny:
 
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