"Middle Class" Blacks in the United States

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I think this side of the story is talked about a lot.




I disagree with both :manny:


I can agree with this statement. We should all stand together try to learn from each others expiernces. I don't think this article encourages this line of thinking though.

Yeah, I don't think he reached that second level, which is where the article failed for me

It was more of a "leave me alone, I'm not about that life" kind of article.

Which causes everyone to critique this article, instead of taking the "The Rage of the Privleged Class" and John McWhorters article and building a case for progressive activism.
 

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ignorance is simply a lack of knowledge

you're not really trying to call her ignorant...cause if you are, you're just as ignorant for not realizing why she wouldn't feel comfortable around you

this shyt isn't about right/wrong

you're not wrong for not accepting that she doesn't like you because of your identity

she's not wrong for not knowing how to react better

but neither of subjects in that event are ever going to do anything about building trust to shatter the ignorance. And thats where the right and wrong comes into play

She is doing business in America in a neighborhood frequented by black people, so yes her ignorance is wrong. That's like me opening a business in Iraq and expecting every person that walks in to be a terrorist. My ignorance would be wrong and unacceptable.
 

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:heh: did you even read the article or just the bolded??? If you do a quick 'SOAPS' the speaker is a dude that grew up in Philadelphia in the lates 70s through the 80s and never dealt with every day racism.

Which lead to me stating "he must not have grown up in North/West philly. Hence why I'm "starting to question how exposed he was to situations of conflict." So that was a statement in response to the article to clear up your understanding of the authors background.



Please quote the part of my post that dealt with your background/experiences? Cause I used the word neighborhood??? You really turned neighborhood into hood??? I didn't contest a thing in your statement beside saying, "Why do nikkas direct their anger at the cops and not the nikkas in the NEIGHBORHOOD bringing heat." How's that justification for going off on a tangent? :heh:
You quoted me. No I didn't read the article, I've seen that story before. But you quoted my statement which was responding to Serious specifically and not the article. So I can only assume that you're responding to me. That's common sense. So I don't know what the hell you're talking about. I thought you were talking about your own experience and comparing it to mine. Obviously other people did too and that's why they dapped my post. Why would you quote someone not talking about the OG post and then sit back and pretend that you were talking about the OG post and article? :childplease:

But whatever, this is a played out topic anyhow.
 

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The whole time I've been reading another article of his titled "What's Holding Blacks Back?" He wrote it in 2001.

These articles of faith add up to a deeply felt cult of victimology that grips the entire black community. Some subscribe to it fiercely; most accept it as a valid point of view, at least. The “serious brother” who launches into a tirade about the War on Blacks at a party sets heads nodding all over the room.

You’d think that a group committed to advancement would avoid such an obsessive focus on the negative, especially when the negative steadily fades from year to year. But blacks, inevitably, suffer from a classic post-colonial inferiority complex. Like insecure people everywhere, they are driven by a private sense of personal inadequacy to seeing imaginary obstacles to their success supposedly planted by others. Once the 1968 Kerner Commission report fueled that tendency by positing that American racism was an institutional, systemic matter rather than a merely personal one, black leaders and thinkers, haunted by the oppressor’s lie that blacks were inferior, worked obsessively to find evidence, often fantastical, of “the system’s” evil.

In the grip of this seductive ideology, blacks have made the immobilizing assumption that individual initiative can lead only to failure, with only a few exceptionally gifted or lucky exceptions. Yet many groups have triumphed over similar (or worse) obstacles—including millions of Caribbean and African immigrants in America, from Colin Powell to the thousands of Caribbean children succeeding in precisely the crumbling schools where black American kids fail. Indeed, thinkers such as Thomas Sowell and Stephan and Abigail Thernstrom argue that American blacks could have advanced—and were advancing—even without the civil rights legislation of the sixties and the racial preferences of the seventies, since black unemployment was at an all-time low in the mid-sixties, and the black middle class was already growing fast. But these facts can’t outweigh the almost narcotic pleasure that underdoggism provides a race plagued by self-doubt.

What’s Holding Blacks Back? by John H. McWhorter, City Journal Winter 2001

:laff: this article would really make nikkas aggy
 

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She is doing business in America in a neighborhood frequented by black people, so yes her ignorance is wrong. That's like me opening a business in Iraq and expecting every person that walks in to be a terrorist. My ignorance would be wrong and unacceptable.

Nope not the same situation

lol we seriously gonna sit here and act like all store owners don't dread 3 o'clock school dismissals??? Black, white, spanish w/e

Lets not get too far off topic though. Maybe that could be another thread too
 

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Since when has the experience of an engineer, one of the vaunted yet under populated fields in any industry, reflect the norms of the business world?

My wife has an engineering degree. Its a unique skill set and is a complete outlier.
So what industry were you speaking of?

That's not what I gathered from that paragraph

In reality it's not about where you grow up or how you live. A white lady clutching her purse has no idea where your from or what you do, she just sees a black man. He downplayed the real reason he hasn't experienced racism, and that's his clean cut- non threatening, safe(to white people) appearance.
So white people are wrong to react to someone whose appearance is threatening? You don't respond differently to someone you see as a threat vs someone you don't? What's supposed to be the takeaway here?

again I never said he was lying about his experiences.

He lists the things he "isn't" as if those that "are" deserve the treatment they receive.
He says he walks around with a serious expression and for some time drove a ratty car through good neighborhoods among other things. IOW often times he himself fit the description just based on appearance, yet he was never profiled. How is that in any way an implication that those who WERE profiled "deserved it" or brought it on themselves?

I find it awfully hard to believe. I've had a nice life living in upperscale areas over the years and racism has always presented itself in one way or another.
Unless you can say your experiences are representative of the norm, or that his are an anomaly, using experiences to discredit dude is a dead mission.

She is doing business in America in a neighborhood frequented by black people, so yes her ignorance is wrong. That's like me opening a business in Iraq and expecting every person that walks in to be a terrorist. My ignorance would be wrong and unacceptable.

If she was like that the moment she opened the store's doors you'd have a point, but you don't know what her perceptions are based on. She might have had recurring problems with black patrons that put her on guard. Is it right? No, but everyone does it. Hell people in here have done it w/police & black people who don't completely buy into the "them against us" ideology, often w/o cause or base
 

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Nope not the same situation

lol we seriously gonna sit here and act like all store owners don't dread 3 o'clock school dismissals??? Black, white, spanish w/e

Lets not get too far off topic though. Maybe that could be another thread too

I don't disagree that store owners dread students coming in. But that wasn't the point of his story, nor does it excuse her actions. This is a bookstore I'm sure she didn't have a theft problem with young black kids, or any kids for that matter.
 
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