“Microsoft is gonna ruin the games industry……

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The fact that you think this is a positive says fukking everything. Netflix is trash and thousands of people are losing their jobs because of Netflix and other subscription service's aim to produce 99% garbage and dump it on their services .
Netflix is not trash.

As a consumer you have more options, more content, for less money than ever before.
 

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If is that inevitable then why dafuq do X-Box need Blizzard. :gucci:
That’s part of what makes it inevitable. As more content ends up in streaming/cloud/subscription services then selling games for $70 gets less and less viable.

I mean you don’t even have to look at microsoft or this merger to see what’s happening. Every year, less and less full price AAA games are released, and even less of them are financially successful.

We’ve been watching this bubble headed for ruin for years and people have been talking about it. This is how the games industry evolves to the next level.
 

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This guy can be right about a few things but the fact that he doesn't understand Sony is in a pivot from their traditional single player games to making more live service games and bought Bungie to help them do it says a lot.
His point was that bungee might not have been the best purchase for that because they still don’t have a presence in mobile.

Yeah, sony is dipping their toes in that future, but they still trying to hold on to the status quo.
The Bungie purchase wasn't a response to Activision it was a way for Sony to transition to their new focus on live service games.

The way he talks is more like he only has a surface level understand of gaming.
He knows where the money is going and coming from. He doesn’t have a great grasp on gaming culture which is usually where he goes wrong.
I think he's absolutely right about the traditional buy an expensive console buy expensive games for it model having its days numbered. Mobile gaming has far dwarfed console gaming because consoles just aren't as accessible.

In a world of billions you have about your 300-350 million people who will buy a console and more like 200ish million who will but one of those $500 ones and that's about it. Also these young kids growing up have no aversion to mobile.
This is why he said the bungee purchase wasn’t that great an idea. Sony still needs a mobile presence. Imagine TLOU2 streaming to any device with a screen right now. Sony would bring in so much money it’s crazy. They just don’t have the infrastructure to do it, and seems they wanna hold out in hopes things stay the way they have been for the last couple decades.
 

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Lol at the thought of me listening to a random boomer who’s an obvious Xthot with all that green in the screen cap.

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Sony stan’s like being ignorant :wow:
 

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His point was that bungee might not have been the best purchase for that because they still don’t have a presence in mobile.

Yeah, sony is dipping their toes in that future, but they still trying to hold on to the status quo.

He knows where the money is going and coming from. He doesn’t have a great grasp on gaming culture which is usually where he goes wrong.

This is why he said the bungee purchase wasn’t that great an idea. Sony still needs a mobile presence. Imagine TLOU2 streaming to any device with a screen right now. Sony would bring in so much money it’s crazy. They just don’t have the infrastructure to do it, and seems they wanna hold out in hopes things stay the way they have been for the last couple decades.
I wouldn’t want to attempt to play a game as complex as TLOU2 on a cell phone. Games like that have their place.

Mobile games are a different breed than that. It’s like when Sony made the PSP and Vita and tried to make full blown home console games on a portable device. Didn’t work so well and they stopped making games for it.

Portable and mobile games should be designed as such. I’ve long come to accept that the kinds of games I like to play aren’t lucrative enough to exist at a decent level inside the next 15 years. It’s a shrinking market and there are better more profitable ways for companies to focus capital than making JRPGs and the like.

It’s part of the reason FF XVI resembles Devil May Cry over FF IX. It’s part of the reason GTA V’s story DLC was abandoned in favor of online expansions. It’s part of the reason NBA 2K is a DLC factory and Madden is more about them pushing Ultimate Team than improving the core gameplay.

Gaming is going in a direction many people here aren’t going to like because it’s following the mass market money over pleasing the core fans.

Remember they used to say Sony games had tacked on multiplayer. Pretty soon tacked on single player will be the thing. Redfall already sounds like that with online requirements.
 

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Only Sony fanboys don't see the changes. Console purchases doesn't mean anything anymore. It's content delivery and Sony is behind. shyt what do you guys think Nintendo is??? A mobile gaming device a limited one but its mobile.

Sony did what blockbuster has done and Cable television. They didn't adapt and now they are worried.
 

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I wouldn’t want to attempt to play a game as complex as TLOU2 on a cell phone. Games like that have their place.
You wouldn’t. But lots of people would. Millions of people watching that show right now that won’t go out and buy a playstation. But they’d give sony $10 a month to play their games on phone/tablet/TV screen.
Mobile games are a different breed than that. It’s like when Sony made the PSP and Vita and tried to make full blown home console games on a portable device. Didn’t work so well and they stopped making games for it.
This wouldn’t be “mobile games” this would be bringing console games to the billions of people who primarily play games on mobile.
Portable and mobile games should be designed as such.
Switch says no. Best selling system over the last 7 years or so has a little mini screen.
I’ve long come to accept that the kinds of games I like to play aren’t lucrative enough to exist at a decent level inside the next 15 years. It’s a shrinking market and there are better more profitable ways for companies to focus capital than making JRPGs and the like.
Streaming/mobile/subscriptions make these types of
games more viable. If you increase your reach from millions to billions, you have that much more a chance to find an audience.

JRPGs have been hit particularly hard cause Japanese studios have been very reluctant to evolve. They don’t wanna put their games on PC/Xbox/streaming/mobile/subscriptions etc. They think they can just drop their game on playstation a be successful. shyt don’t work like that anymore.

Square is running into that same problem. They are having a difficult time finding an audience and instead of expanding their reach they decided to lock their games down more for an up front check. It’s not working out for them.

Look how the popularity of Sega’s JRPGs has exploded since embracing PC/Xbox/gamepass releases.

There’s multiple billions of gamers out there. Game makers need to go where the gamers are instead expecting the gamers to come to them.


It’s part of the reason FF XVI resembles Devil May Cry over FF IX. It’s part of the reason GTA V’s story DLC was abandoned in favor of online expansions. It’s part of the reason MBA 2K is a DLC factory and Madden is more about them pushing Ultimate Team than improving the core gameplay.
FF 16 motivations are misguided. It’s not the J in JRPG that’s making their games less popular. It’s doing shyt like making an all white male cast and locking that shyt down on PS5 for $70.

No matter how good the game is they’ve already killed their market before the game comes out.
Gaming is going in a direction many people here aren’t going to like because it’s following the mass market money over pleasing the core fans.

Remember they used to say Sony games had tacked on multiplayer. Pretty soon tacked on single player will be the thing. Redfall already sounds like that with online requirements.
Core games and Gamers have a place in the new reality. Same way Big movies and movie theaters will always have a place.

Just gonna be some different terms to get there.
 
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“Sony doesn’t understand mobile”

Literally had a top ten mobile only grossing game in FGO

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All game pass means is Microsoft is now the gatekeeper for gaming which means over time they're going to want to increase the amount of profits they can take from developers which means we'll get even less games over time and only a select few will make it out. More companies will fold. To me this means even gaming will become a greater tool for propaganda if they want to fit into the new ecosystem.

They will destroy gaming but it won't be for the good
 

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Michael Pachter from game trailers ?

The same moron who said the ps3/360 era would be the last generation of consoles

Or how about when he said the Xbox One would easily dominate the ps4 ?

Or how about when he predicted Xbox Live would double in price ?

Or how about his firm confirmed release year of GTA 5 for 2010 (came out in 2013)

Oh oh ! How about back in the mid 2000s he predicted that Nintendo would be pulling out of the console business altogether and go the third party software route ?

He also thought Netflix mail dvd delivery service was a horrible investment, and that the business counselor grow. How that work out ?

Dude is a clown, only fitting that Chief Xbot Bozo Meach posted him.
 

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Michael Pachter from game trailers ?

The same moron who said the ps3/360 era would be the last generation of consoles

Or how about when he said the Xbox One would easily dominate the ps4 ?

Or how about when he predicted Xbox Live would double in price ?

Or how about his firm confirmed release year of GTA 5 for 2010 (came out in 2013)

Oh oh ! How about back in the mid 2000s he predicted that Nintendo would be pulling out of the console business altogether and go the third party software route ?

He also thought Netflix mail dvd delivery service was a horrible investment, and that the business counselor grow. How that work out ?

Dude is a clown, only fitting that Chief Xbot Bozo Meach posted him.
No, you got like all of this wrong and have only served to prove dude knows what he’s talking about.

He didn’t say PS360 era would be the last. He said the market would shrink from there, and it has.

He never said xbox one would dominate PS4. He said the opposite and was correct there.

Xbox live HAS doubled in price since he made that prediction. He said it would be around $100 a year it’s now around $125 a year for Gamepass with XBL gold.

He never said they “would” pull out. He said they “should” pull out and they would make more money but he also said he knows they WONT do it.

Netflix DVD delivery is dead. That’s how it worked out.

Dude been head of a leading industry investment/analysis firm for decades. You don’t keep that spot by giving bad advice. He’s been very spot on about the direction of things.

I know sony stan land is backwards, but no need to call names friend. We are all a family here. I’m just trying to bring some industry insight to the board :cheers:
 
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