Michelle Obama criticizes black youth for worship of Rappers & Sport Stars

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I don't compare blacks to whites or any other race for matter because our circumstances are different.
The post you quoted of mine was a response to someone comparing blacks to other groups.

I don't think we will EVER be on an equal playing fields as white people but that doesn't mean you have to be complacent hoping it will one day happen and that's what I see people doing. I think black people can succeed with what's available to us but if we keep waiting on equality, it's never going to happen.
Who said anything about being complacent and waiting for equality? Why can't we fight for individual achievement AND social equality? That's what our great leaders did in the past. Why do you reject this idea now?
 

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:pachaha: you high and mighty nikkas kill me.

fukk an excuse, you wanna know reality?

African immigrants are some of the most educated, yet the least employed immigrants in America. Is this cause they are "lazy" or "making excuses"?

It's well documented that black people are payed less regardless of educational backround. It's well documented that black people are charged more for loans and considered less for employment.

It's well documented that schools in the inner city are severely lacking resources, and are well behind schools in middle/upper class neighborhoods.

It's also true that political policy to this day is still driven by racism/classism.

You ignoring these realities allows you to feel justified in poking your chest out and looking down on people. But it doesn't make them any less real.

i know about all of these lacking resources etc, reality is you still have a chance, options etc, if you want to take it there, my best friend is a teacher at an inner city school and she is hurt to the fact that at pta not 1 parent shows up, she schedules conference and they dont even give a ****. It all starts from at home, when are you going to wake up and see that the cycle will go on an on and take some of the blame instead of blaming the man. You dont have to, you can bring up every possible excuse..to be honest i dont care, you can call me high and mighty nikka ect, fact is I came from nothing and made something of myself now and plan on having my seeds do the same and look at positives and not negatives.

My mindset is when there is a will there is a way, i look on glass half full not half empty, but i guess thats a high and mighty c00n approach, especially for trying to uplift my people, you claim I am bashing, I speak to this little kids over and over about doing something positive, I am tired of waking up to seeing 50 murders in chicago etc etc, and just like what people did to obama for speaking the truth, you get upset with the facts.
 

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Who said anything about being complacent and waiting for equality? Why can't we fight for individual achievement AND social equality? That's what our great leaders did in the past. Why do you reject this idea now?

I think the majority of our issues are financial, so I'd rather see us get some financial stability and help each other with our own money vs fighting with the government for THEIR money to help us.
 

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I think the majority of our issues are financial, so I'd rather see us get some financial stability and help each other with our own money vs fighting with the government for THEIR money to help us.

:snoop: you just said the fact that we make less and are charged more didn't matter. Now your saying we need more money.

The reality is we don't live in this country by ourselves. The rest of America effects us profusely. It has nothing to do with fighting for "their" money. If their policy purposely makes our achievement worth less, and continues to place barriers in our way, then we need to fight those barriers and demand our acheivment to be rewarded for what it's worth.

As usual I find it funny that you take this "we don't need no equality or help from the goverment" stance, while you sit back reaping the benefits of those that fought for your equality and help from the government.

Give back all those benefits and opportunities you were given, then you can talk this high and mighty stuff.
 

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i know about all of these lacking resources etc, reality is you still have a chance, options etc, if you want to take it there, my best friend is a teacher at an inner city school and she is hurt to the fact that at pta not 1 parent shows up, she schedules conference and they dont even give a ****. It all starts from at home, when are you going to wake up and see that the cycle will go on an on and take some of the blame instead of blaming the man.
"The man" still has his hands in your pockets, you'd be an idiot to not at least acknowledge this fact. I never said anything about "placing blame" that's the problem, You're talking about placing blame and I'm talking about understanding and addressing problems. Do black people have some problems they need to addresss? Sure. Just like any other race/community. But that has nothing to do with what we should be fighting for in regards to our place in society.

You dont have to, you can bring up every possible excuse..to be honest i dont care, you can call me high and mighty nikka ect, fact is I came from nothing and made something of myself now and plan on having my seeds do the same and look at positives and not negatives.
Plenty of poor black Americans come from nothing and make something of theirselves. So why did you feel the need for your little rant?

My mindset is when there is a will there is a way, i look on glass half full not half empty, but i guess thats a high and mighty c00n approach, especially for trying to uplift my people, you claim I am bashing, I speak to this little kids over and over about doing something positive, I am tired of waking up to seeing 50 murders in chicago etc etc, and just like what people did to obama for speaking the truth, you get upset with the facts.
No, the high and mighty c00n approach was turning your nose up at those who can't match your success. And you didn't speak the truth. You made an apples to oranges comparison to try to justify your c00nary.
 

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:snoop: you just said the fact that we make less and are charged more didn't matter. Now your saying we need more money.

The reality is we don't live in this country by ourselves. The rest of America effects us profusely. It has nothing to do with fighting for "their" money. If their policy purposely makes our achievement worth less, and continues to place barriers in our way, then we need to fight those barriers and demand our acheivment to be rewarded for what it's worth.

As usual I find it funny that you take this "we don't need no equality or help from the goverment" stance, while you sit back reaping the benefits of those that fought for your equality and help from the government.

Give back all those benefits and opportunities you were given, then you can talk this high and mighty stuff.

:what:

The fact that we are paid less doesn't mean we can't be successful or build wealth. It's not how much you have, it's what you do with the money that matters. So if we focused more on using the resources available to us more wisely, than asking for more resources we can build a stable financial platform. I'm not even sure what you mean by "charged" more because if you're talking about borrowing money, I'm pretty against that except for a mortgage and even that has gray areas for me. If you don't get that, then I don't know what to tell you.

I think receiving government assistance to cover basic living necessities (food and shelter) is different than using government facilities (roads, schools or what have you) that your tax dollars are going towards sustaining.

LOL you only claim I'm "high and mighty" because I don't support your stance. Then I'll be that and while being that I'll get my money right and change my family tree so that each new generation is not starting from scratch, fighting the same fight that people for years before have been fighting but having nothing to show for the blood, sweat and tears. I'll start, support and donate to black businesses and invest in my community. That's how I take advantage of what my ancestors have done for me. If that makes me ungrateful then so fukking be it and fukk you in the process of all that.
 

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The fact that we are paid less doesn't mean we can't be successful or build wealth.
It means that our wealth will take longer to build.

It's not how much you have, it's what you do with the money that matters.
True only to an extent. You can save and be smarter with your money, but you still have to pay the same gas prices, food prices, ect as people who are payed more. Therefore you still have much less money to be smart with.

So if we focused more on using the resources available to us more wisely, than asking for more resources we can build a stable financial platform.
In a capitalist society it is all a competition, a race per se. It makes absolutely no sense to purposely allow yourself to be held back, just so you can try harder. You train as hard as possible AND you advocate to start from the same starting line.


I'm not even sure what you mean by "charged" more because if you're talking about borrowing money, I'm pretty against that except for a mortgage and even that has gray areas for me. If you don't get that, then I don't know what to tell you.
Mortgage payments are a big deal and a big hinderance to black people building wealth and passing opportunities back to their communities.

I think receiving government assistance to cover basic living necessities (food and shelter) is different than using government facilities (roads, schools or what have you) that your tax dollars are going towards sustaining.
I disagree. Without the help you received you wouldn't be where you are today. You need to get to work so a road is a "basic necessity" to your life. Your own tax dollars alone don't make that road a possibility, it's the collective work of society that puts the road there. Not only tax dollars but the work of the people that are laying and maintaining the roads, it's the work of the people collecting and processing the materials for those roads. And you know what? Some of those people are getting goverment assistance for food/shelter and they deserve that assistance for their contributions to society just like you feel that you deserve the road for yours.

That's how society works, that's why we are better off when we all work together. And that's why I always laugh at the hypocrisy of black Americans turning their nose up at people who have achieved less.

LOL you only claim I'm "high and mighty" because I don't support your stance. Then I'll be that and while being that I'll get my money right and change my family tree so that each new generation is not starting from scratch, fighting the same fight that people for years before have been fighting but having nothing to show for the blood, sweat and tears.
:what: they have YOU to show for it. A black woman who is able to find success and take care of her own kids. Their blood sweat and tears created the environment for you to do that. Without that fight you'd still be less than a human being and would probly be subject to abuse at the hands of some man, just so you and your kids can live.

I'll start, support and donate to black businesses and invest in my community. That's how I take advantage of what my ancestors have done for me. If that makes me ungrateful then so fukking be it and fukk you in the process of all that.
:whoa: ain't no need to fukk me in the process. Just keep donating but don't open your mouth to spew this nonsense and look down on the ones your donating to.
 

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As black people, we need to recognize that there are a litany of problems that all exist together and influence each other, often times in a reciprocal manner. Let's stop trying to say, "well the REAL problem is THIS!" There are A LOT of real problems.

Next, let's move from talking about problems to solutions. Then after we talk about solutions let's make plans. Then let's do our best to implement those plans, to carry out the solutions for that network of intertwined problems.

I think that's what we really need to be doing.
 

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It means that our wealth will take longer to build.


True only to an extent. You can save and be smarter with your money, but you still have to pay the same gas prices, food prices, ect as people who are payed more. Therefore you still have much less money to be smart with.


In a capitalist society it is all a competition, a race per se. It makes absolutely no sense to purposely allow yourself to be held back, just so you can try harder. You train as hard as possible AND you advocate to start from the same starting line.



Mortgage payments are a big deal and a big hinderance to black people building wealth and passing opportunities back to their communities.


I disagree. Without the help you received you wouldn't be we're you are today. You need to get to work so a road is a "basic necessity" to your life. Your own tax dollars alone don't make that road a possibility, it's the collective work of society that puts the road there. Not only tax dollars but the work of the people that are laying and maintaining the roads, it's the work of the people collecting and processing the materials for those roads. And you know what? Some of those people are getting goverment assistance for food/shelter and they deserve that assistance for their contributions to society just like you feel that you deserve the road for yours.

That's how society works, that's why we are better off when we all work together. And that's why I always laugh at the hypocrisy of black Americans turning their nose up at people who have achieved less.


:what: they have YOU to show for it. A black woman who is able to find success and take care of her own kids. Their blood sweat and tears created the environment for you to do that. Without that fight you'd still be less than a human being and would probly be subject to abuse at the hands of some man, just so you and your kids can live.


:whoa: ain't no need to fukk me in the process. Just keep donating but don't open your mouth to spew this nonsense and look down on the ones your donating to.

Well we look at things differently and I'll just leave it at that because we'll just argue in a circle. I don't look down on anyone. I don't believe in black people opting for government assistance for living necessities. I'd rather be dependent on them to fix a pothole than put food in my family's mouth or provide shelter but that's just me. Again I only "spew nonsense" because I don't agree with what you're saying.
 

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All we got is sports and entertainment :manny:

But for real ain't this the same women who always got celeb A, B, or C with her? :usure:

Difference between hanging with them and idolizing them breh.

She never said that black youth couldn't hang with Beyonce :mjpls:

Btw :salute: to Michelle Obeezy for keeping it real. Sometimes what you need to hear is not what you want to hear.

She could easily have talked about a non-controversial BS topic and kept it moving.

She cares.
 

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Well we look at things differently and I'll just leave it at that because we'll just argue in a circle. I don't look down on anyone. I don't believe in black people opting for government assistance for living necessities. I'd rather be dependent on them to fix a pothole than put food in my family's mouth or provide shelter but that's just me. Again I only "spew nonsense" because I don't agree with what you're saying.

You depend on the goverment to make your food and your housing safe. In making those things safe for you, it raises the prices so less people can afford them.

Due to goverment regulations I can't just go out and grow food to give/sale to my community. I'd have to pay for licensing and regulations, which in turn makes my food too expensive to sale to the poor people in my communty. Government subsidies are created to overcome problems created by goverment. Without the goverment in the way driving prices up, and making food less attainable, more people would be able to feed themselves.

I say your "spewing nonsense" because you ignore realities just to keep pushing your own narrative. Cause you think you made it, and those that don't are just lazy underachievers.
 

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ya'll have been 12% of the population for decades.

You won't be on equal footing.

The question is what you'll do about it.

You don't even have demographics on your side.

At some point, you have to step up to the plate.

well said......
 
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