MenacingMonk
Tranquilo
Very good flick. Keaton did his thing.
Michael Keaton "The Founder" trailer (Mcdonald's Movie)
Finally watched this shyt: 
breh turned full heel quick as hell.
breh turned full heel quick as hell.
Late pass, this was a great movie!
Ray Kroc was a visionary and a true scumbag.
I salute his hustle!
Ray Kroc was a visionary and a true scumbag.
I salute his hustle!
KevCo
Bond's gun spoke once....
Very good movie...Alot of him “screwing” the brothers over parts were to make him seem like more of an a$$hole. Theres a documentary about one of the brothers on amazon. Basically he took all the money he got from kroc and invested it in mcdonalds stock and died a multimillionaire.Late pass, this was a great movie!
Ray Kroc was a visionary and a true scumbag.
I salute his hustle!
feelosofer
#ninergang
Just saw this movie a few weeks back. Very underrated. Keaton is a brilliant actor and the cast overall did great. Def one of those movies that will age well.
StraxStrax
I'm selling these fine leather jackets
Keaton, Offerman and Lynch are the standouts in this movie. It's decent but basic. I was expecting the story of McD to be more interesting
All they had to do was up Kroc's commission but they wanted to play hard ball
ORDER_66
Rebirth is upon Us 2025
One of my favorite actors. He even surprised me in a comedic role in The Other GuysThis film was so underrated
Keaton killed it. His late career run has been great to see.
The Devil's Advocate
Call me Dad
Just read this... Brothers were idiots, not victims.. They gave up the percents for cash
Brancaccio: So there’s a crucial moment in the film where Ray Kroc wants to get out from underneath this longstanding contract that he has with the original McDonald’s brothers. The McDonald’s brothers can decide almost everything about how McDonald’s does its business. Ray Kroc wants out. So they cut a deal. Money will change hands. But there seems to be this agreement — the original McDonald’s brothers want to get a percentage of future profits.
Napoli: That’s the essential falsehood in the movie. The brothers did get a percentage of the profits. The original deal was 1.9 percent of a franchisee’s profits. It went to the McDonald’s Corporation and 0.5 percent of that went to dikk and Mac McDonald. The falsehood in the movie is that Ray screwed the brothers out of that half a percent. Basically what happened was Ray and the brothers were at odds. He went to them and said, look, what is it going to take to make you go away? They said $2.7 million — we want a million dollars each and $700,000 to pay our taxes. That’s how practical they were. And they were happy with that. It was 1961 and the problem was that Ray didn’t have anywhere close to $2.7 million. It’s important to remember that McDonald’s was precipitously close to folding at every step of the game once Ray got involved, because he didn’t have the right scheme to make McDonald’s grow until he met Harry Sonneborn who came along and told him it’s not about hamburgers, it’s about real estate. So basically Ray couldn’t find $2.7 million to pay the brothers off. Harry found the $2.7 million. And if he hadn’t, the situation, the agreement would have continued on the way it was in place with the 0.5 percent going and lining the brothers’ pockets in a really lovely, passive income. But Harry saved the day. He was able to convince these men, who they later called in McDonald’s lore “The 12 apostles,” and those guys came up with the cash that allowed him to buy out the McDonald’s brothers and make them go away. The movie says that they got screwed, but they didn’t.
Brancaccio: I want to understand this carefully. So first of all, a million dollars each in current money is about $8 million each, just to put this into some inflation perspective. But the movie says that at the end, the McDonald’s brothers wanted some percentage of future profits and that there was a handshake deal for that. But that the brothers never got the money. Your reporting says: What actually happened there?
Napoli: Basically Ray was able to come up with the $2.7 million. The brothers were invited to Chicago where McDonald’s headquarters was, and basically they got their check and they went back home and lived out the rest of their lives. What made them angry was that they never were given credit in the corporate hemisphere for many, many years. They were sort of erased from history. You don’t know when you start something that it’s gonna to become a major international corporation. And the brothers didn’t know that. They knew and had seen McDonald’s grow under Ray’s watch, but they didn’t know that it one day would have tens of thousands of restaurants all around the world. And they were older at that point anyway. They were comfortable. They were fine to walk away. Now that’s not to say that Ray wasn’t a tough guy and Ray was ruthless, but he didn’t screw them out of a half a percent of royalty.
Brancaccio: Still, it was a tough business. The brothers wanted to set up under a new name. They couldn’t use the McDonald’s name after the deal, so they they changed their name to what? It was M’s Burgers or something like that?
Napoli: “The Big M.”
Brancaccio: And that failed. They couldn’t compete with McDonald’s.
Napoli: Well, actually, that’s another assertion in the movie that’s not entirely true. That restaurant continued on for several more years. The brothers had wanted to give over the restaurant to their employees and they did. But all of the information in the movie and in Ray’s autobiography, he makes it sound like he ran those guys out of town. And again, in my research, it didn’t show up that way. It didn’t turn out that way.
Also, the McDonald's fortune is gone from the Kroc family. His wife Joan gave away every single penny
Brancaccio: That said, the movie doesn’t fully flesh out the Joan Kroc character. You’ve spent more time thinking about her and writing the book. She becomes a world-class philanthropist.
Napoli: Yes. She was business-minded in the sense that you’re suggesting — just not the way it’s depicted in the film, of course. Joan gave an enormous gift to NPR at the end of her life and a 10 times larger gift to the Salvation Army. And she spent the rest of her life after Ray passed away in 1984 quietly becoming one of the great philanthropists of the 20th century — in a very inventive and unorthodox way. She dissolved her foundation. She gave anonymously in many cases, reacted to stories in the news. She was quite a character. And she had a great love of McDonald’s, of course, because it had made her first husband well-to-do. And she’d worked hard in the restaurants from the early days. And that’s what was so fascinating for me as a researcher — to get to know this woman who you just think of as a cartoon character. And that’s really how she comes across in the movie — is just this vampy woman.
Brancaccio: You suggest she gives it all away. I mean, there are no assets at the end of her life where there’s still some piece of this?
Napoli: Nope, it’s all gone. It’s all gone. People think that there’s a foundation, which is the sort of the standard procedure for wealthy people. She did not have a foundation at the end of her life. She disbursed all of her $3 billion in assets, and had been giving away money steadily until the end of her life. But nope, it’s all gone.
Brancaccio: So there’s a crucial moment in the film where Ray Kroc wants to get out from underneath this longstanding contract that he has with the original McDonald’s brothers. The McDonald’s brothers can decide almost everything about how McDonald’s does its business. Ray Kroc wants out. So they cut a deal. Money will change hands. But there seems to be this agreement — the original McDonald’s brothers want to get a percentage of future profits.
Napoli: That’s the essential falsehood in the movie. The brothers did get a percentage of the profits. The original deal was 1.9 percent of a franchisee’s profits. It went to the McDonald’s Corporation and 0.5 percent of that went to dikk and Mac McDonald. The falsehood in the movie is that Ray screwed the brothers out of that half a percent. Basically what happened was Ray and the brothers were at odds. He went to them and said, look, what is it going to take to make you go away? They said $2.7 million — we want a million dollars each and $700,000 to pay our taxes. That’s how practical they were. And they were happy with that. It was 1961 and the problem was that Ray didn’t have anywhere close to $2.7 million. It’s important to remember that McDonald’s was precipitously close to folding at every step of the game once Ray got involved, because he didn’t have the right scheme to make McDonald’s grow until he met Harry Sonneborn who came along and told him it’s not about hamburgers, it’s about real estate. So basically Ray couldn’t find $2.7 million to pay the brothers off. Harry found the $2.7 million. And if he hadn’t, the situation, the agreement would have continued on the way it was in place with the 0.5 percent going and lining the brothers’ pockets in a really lovely, passive income. But Harry saved the day. He was able to convince these men, who they later called in McDonald’s lore “The 12 apostles,” and those guys came up with the cash that allowed him to buy out the McDonald’s brothers and make them go away. The movie says that they got screwed, but they didn’t.
Brancaccio: I want to understand this carefully. So first of all, a million dollars each in current money is about $8 million each, just to put this into some inflation perspective. But the movie says that at the end, the McDonald’s brothers wanted some percentage of future profits and that there was a handshake deal for that. But that the brothers never got the money. Your reporting says: What actually happened there?
Napoli: Basically Ray was able to come up with the $2.7 million. The brothers were invited to Chicago where McDonald’s headquarters was, and basically they got their check and they went back home and lived out the rest of their lives. What made them angry was that they never were given credit in the corporate hemisphere for many, many years. They were sort of erased from history. You don’t know when you start something that it’s gonna to become a major international corporation. And the brothers didn’t know that. They knew and had seen McDonald’s grow under Ray’s watch, but they didn’t know that it one day would have tens of thousands of restaurants all around the world. And they were older at that point anyway. They were comfortable. They were fine to walk away. Now that’s not to say that Ray wasn’t a tough guy and Ray was ruthless, but he didn’t screw them out of a half a percent of royalty.
Brancaccio: Still, it was a tough business. The brothers wanted to set up under a new name. They couldn’t use the McDonald’s name after the deal, so they they changed their name to what? It was M’s Burgers or something like that?
Napoli: “The Big M.”
Brancaccio: And that failed. They couldn’t compete with McDonald’s.
Napoli: Well, actually, that’s another assertion in the movie that’s not entirely true. That restaurant continued on for several more years. The brothers had wanted to give over the restaurant to their employees and they did. But all of the information in the movie and in Ray’s autobiography, he makes it sound like he ran those guys out of town. And again, in my research, it didn’t show up that way. It didn’t turn out that way.
Also, the McDonald's fortune is gone from the Kroc family. His wife Joan gave away every single penny
Brancaccio: That said, the movie doesn’t fully flesh out the Joan Kroc character. You’ve spent more time thinking about her and writing the book. She becomes a world-class philanthropist.
Napoli: Yes. She was business-minded in the sense that you’re suggesting — just not the way it’s depicted in the film, of course. Joan gave an enormous gift to NPR at the end of her life and a 10 times larger gift to the Salvation Army. And she spent the rest of her life after Ray passed away in 1984 quietly becoming one of the great philanthropists of the 20th century — in a very inventive and unorthodox way. She dissolved her foundation. She gave anonymously in many cases, reacted to stories in the news. She was quite a character. And she had a great love of McDonald’s, of course, because it had made her first husband well-to-do. And she’d worked hard in the restaurants from the early days. And that’s what was so fascinating for me as a researcher — to get to know this woman who you just think of as a cartoon character. And that’s really how she comes across in the movie — is just this vampy woman.
Brancaccio: You suggest she gives it all away. I mean, there are no assets at the end of her life where there’s still some piece of this?
Napoli: Nope, it’s all gone. It’s all gone. People think that there’s a foundation, which is the sort of the standard procedure for wealthy people. She did not have a foundation at the end of her life. She disbursed all of her $3 billion in assets, and had been giving away money steadily until the end of her life. But nope, it’s all gone.
HipHopStan
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This film (and thread) is just like the little engine that could. It just keeps chugga-luggin along and more people keep discovering it. I've been happy that Keaton has been on a come back for the last decade. Started with Toy Story 3 and The Other Guys and continued on with Birdman and this film and then it was on to Spiderman: Homecoming and now it's back to full circle with Batman. He's a national treasure in the acting community.