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Michael Jackson wasn’t impressed by the neptunes .. He wanted the super thug sound instead.....
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Outside of a few beats you’re right. Shyt is cringe worthyThis is going to be a unpopular opinion to many on here but I think the majority of The Neptunes beats are whack.
I don’t blame Micheal at all for not working with them.
I had this shyt on REPEATused to annoy everyone in my dorm
It is an inconvenient truth that the RJ produced songs like Invincible, Heartbreaker, etc. have NOT aged well.
I somewhat disagree, the Invincible album as a whole has aged very well to me...ironically even more than Justified.
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If he didn't want RnB sounding beats from the Neptunes, I don't know if he would have wanted it from Dre
He fukked with G-Unit though. If he was asking for something that was in Nore's lane, Mike would have probably asked for something like 'Heat' or 'Higher'
AKM-95
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I wonder in some alternative universe if there is a michael Jackson feat Close record. 
Days of Future Piff
Superstar
I think I figured it out. Senorita is lowkey biting Stevie Wonder...
As for SexyBack, am I reaching if I say it sounds like a sped-up version of Kiss?
As for SexyBack, am I reaching if I say it sounds like a sped-up version of Kiss?
Mike the Executioner
What went on up there? Poppers and weird sex!
Listening to Invincible, it makes perfect sense why MJ rejected all those Neptunes beats, even though he would have sounded great over them. Michael never made the same album. Everything he ever did was supposed to be a natural progression from the last album. He was obsessed with incorporating the latest sounds, using the newest technology. It's one of the reasons he stopped working with Quincy Jones, because he felt like music was constantly evolving and Quincy wouldn't be able to keep up.
When Michael was working on Dangerous, he had a variety of different producers. One of them was Bryan Loren. The songs they worked on together were meant to bring back the R&B sound from Off the Wall, because that's the version of Michael that Loren liked the most. Once Teddy Riley got involved, Michael wasn't interested in the Loren tracks anymore and he liked that Riley wanted to come up with a new sound. That's also why L.A. Reid and Babyface were part of the Dangerous sessions. And if Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis weren't loyal to Janet, they would have started working with Michael on that album, not HIStory.
If you listen to Invincible, that "Superthug" sound is definitely there. You can hear it on the Rodney Jerkins songs and "2000 Watts." He didn't need any help with the R&B songs because he already had that taken care of. So, there wasn't anything the Neptunes could have given him to get him excited.
The only album that Michael got done quickly was HIStory, which only took six months. By the time the Neptunes got involved, that couldn't have been any earlier than 2000 and Invincible had already been in production for a couple years.
If Sony hadn't been petty, Invincible would have had a huge promotional run. Rodney Jerkins said that Michael had big plans for the rollout. "Unbreakable" and "Threatened" were both going to get short films after becoming singles.
When Michael was working on Dangerous, he had a variety of different producers. One of them was Bryan Loren. The songs they worked on together were meant to bring back the R&B sound from Off the Wall, because that's the version of Michael that Loren liked the most. Once Teddy Riley got involved, Michael wasn't interested in the Loren tracks anymore and he liked that Riley wanted to come up with a new sound. That's also why L.A. Reid and Babyface were part of the Dangerous sessions. And if Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis weren't loyal to Janet, they would have started working with Michael on that album, not HIStory.
If you listen to Invincible, that "Superthug" sound is definitely there. You can hear it on the Rodney Jerkins songs and "2000 Watts." He didn't need any help with the R&B songs because he already had that taken care of. So, there wasn't anything the Neptunes could have given him to get him excited.
The only album that Michael got done quickly was HIStory, which only took six months. By the time the Neptunes got involved, that couldn't have been any earlier than 2000 and Invincible had already been in production for a couple years.
If Sony hadn't been petty, Invincible would have had a huge promotional run. Rodney Jerkins said that Michael had big plans for the rollout. "Unbreakable" and "Threatened" were both going to get short films after becoming singles.
Michael and his team fukked up in two ways.
They didn’t let R Kelly do more material (and this was prime Kellz) and they didn’t even give Pharrell/Chad a serious look. It’s not like the Neptunes were struggling for a break. They were pumping out tracks and Teddy could’ve/should’ve easily given them a co-sign.
an album even half produced/written by R Kelly would’ve been a beast and his work on the Isley’s 90s shyt is clear evidence.
Meanwhile, that Justified production with some flavoring from Bill Bottrell and the usual Jackson production team would’ve been flames.
Mike the Executioner
What went on up there? Poppers and weird sex!
I agree that R. Kelly should have worked with Michael more. "One More Chance" is a great song that people barely know about.
I really think Michael was concerned that he would be moving backwards if he worked with the Neptunes. You notice how he usually wanted people that could give him something he couldn't get anywhere else? Darkchild was Teddy Riley's disciple so that was a huge co-sign, and he was one of the biggest names in music at the time.
The problem is that Invincible "flopped" due to circumstances that had nothing to do with the music itself. If Michael was given the opportunity to promote the album exactly the way he wanted, and it still didn't move units like that, then it's worth a discussion. But it's hard to know whether or not Michael needed the Neptunes because after "You Rock My World," Sony pulled the plug on any more promotion.
Also, some of the Xscape songs ("Chicago," "Blue Gangsta," "Xscape") would have sounded great on Invincible.
FUN FACT: "Gone" by *NSYNC was close to becoming an MJ song. Justin Timberlake wrote it for Michael, but he either passed on it or his manager passed on it before he had a chance to hear it. Michael loved the song after hearing it and insisted that he and Justin record it together, but by that time, *NSYNC had already recorded it for their album. This is one of the things that gave Justin the confidence to eventually go solo, because Michael believed in his talent.
And what happens? He gets his hands on beats Michael passed on.
Old head management listening to their 12 year olds and out of touch with what’s hot. This type of shyt happens every day.
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Cause he Michael Jackson
Michael definitely should have had "If I could Turn Back the Hands Of Time","I Believe I Can Fly". I could imagine him killing Fiesta too
