Michael Dunn, killer of Jordan Davis trial thread

[Golayitdown]

ladies and gentlemen, this is why you never talk to detectives. get your lawyer and shut up

Exactly.. Hopefully this was the prosecution's plan cause these detectives are going in and he's contradicting himself left and right

 

[mrken12]

At Least 26 Children Or Teens Died In Florida Stand Your Ground Cases
BY NICOLE FLATOW ON FEBRUARY 5, 2014 AT 4:14 PM


"At Least 26 Children Or Teens Died In Florida Stand Your Ground Cases"

Jordan Davis

CREDIT: MOMS DEMAND ACTION

Michael Dunn stands trial this week for the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Jordan Davis after Dunn complained that Davis was playing loud music. Dunn is expected to raise the defense that gained notoriety after the death of Trayvon Martin, Stand Your Ground. (If Martin were still alive, he would turn 19 Wednesday.)

Martin and Davis are two of at least 26 children and teens who have died in Florida Stand Your Ground cases. Stand Your Ground laws that have proliferated in at least 20 states are associated with vigilantism, authorizing violence by individuals who perceive a “reasonable” imminent threat to their life, without any duty to attempt retreat. But they have also taken the lives of a dramatic number of young victims. Out of 134 fatal Florida casesanalyzed by the Tampa Bay Times in which the Stand Your Ground defense was raised or played a role, 19 percent saw the deaths of children or teens. Another 14 involved victims were 20 or 21. And another 8 teens were injured in nonfatal cases. The Tampa Bay Times last updated its database last year, and there have likely been more such deaths since.

Here are some of the young Florida victims:

• The youngest was nine-year-old Sherdavia Jenkins, who was killed in the crossfire of a dispute in which the defendant unsuccessfully raised the Stand Your Ground defense.
• 18-year-old Daniel Amore was stabbed to death by his 31-year-old legal guardian Kunta Grant, after Amore punched him during a dispute. Grant was given Stand Your Ground immunity by a judge.
• 19-year-old Christopher Araujo was shot by Norman Borden, who said “he was walking his dogs when three men in a Jeep shouted threats at him and warned they had bats as weapons. Borden went into his home and came back out armed. He told his friends to leave the area. The Jeep returned, and Borden said they tried to run him down. He pulled a gun and shot five times through the windshield, then nine more times after the Jeep hit a fence post and stopped.” A judge denied the Stand Your Ground motion, but Borden was acquitted by a jury of first-degree murder and other related charges.
• 18-year-old Carlos Mustelier was shot to death, after he and his 16-year-old friend approached Thomas Baker jogging, and one took a swing at him. Thomas responded “You wanna play games? You wanna play games?” and fired eight shots. The surviving teen said they planned to rob Baker, but neither was armed. A Hillsborough County prosecutor opted not to charge Baker.
• 19-year-old Christopher Cote was killed by his neighbor, after a dispute over walking his dog on his new neighbor’s property. When Cote came back, unarmed, to talk to 62-year-old Jose Tapones about the dispute, Tapones answered the door with a shotgun, stepped outside onto the lawn, and shot Cote twice. A judge declined to grant Tapones Stand Your Ground immunity during his first trial, but was granted a new trial and acquitted the second time around.

Some of these defendants were granted immunity; others were not. But the Stand Your Ground law can come into play in a number of ways. First, law enforcement officers sometimes use the Stand Your Ground law as a basis for not charging the shooter to begin with. That was initially the position of police who cited the law in not arresting Martin’s killer, George Zimmerman, for more than a month. Second, many defendants who are charged request a special Stand Your Ground hearing and may be granted immunity by a judge before even going to trial. Third, defendants may raise the Stand Your Ground defense during the trial as a basis for acquittal. And fourth, as evidenced by the George Zimmerman case, the language of the Stand Your Ground law may be incorporated into the jury instructions and factor into the jury’s decision, even where the defense is not explicitly raised by the defendant.

In the latest high-profile case, Michael Dunn is expected to use Stand Your Ground language during trial to claim he shot Jordan Davis in self-defense. The case of an older white man shooting a young black teen after a loud music dispute became even more racially charged when letters from Dunn released by the State Attorney’s office this week revealed blatant animus towards African Americans.

In part because Stand Your Ground has had a particular impact on the young, mothers have been among the loudest voices to call for repeal of these laws. During a legislative hearing to repeal Florida’s law, Davis’ mother Lucia McBath said, “My grief is unbearable at times. I’m here as a face of the countless victims of gun violence.” The legislative committee nonetheless voted down a repeal bill, and instead advanced another bill to expand it. McBath is the spokeswoman for a gun reform group formed after the Sandy Hook Massacre called Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America.

The group’s founder, Shannon Watts, pointed out that cases like Davis’ — involving a dispute over loud music — show how Stand Your Ground laws attempt to “normalize behavior that isn’t normal.”

“A teen who was playing loud music, which is what my teens do. That is sort of the attitude of the teenager,” Watts told ThinkProgress. “You don’t have the right to kill an innocent unarmed teen.”

Jury selection continued in Dunn’s case on Tuesday.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...ildren-teens-died-florida-stand-ground-cases/

And people in this country had the nerve to get on Russia's case about human rights violations and mistreatment.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

He made up the "this shyt's going down" part.

 

[88m3]

And people in this country had the nerve to get on Russia's case about human rights violations and mistreatment.

suck at logic, brehs

 

[Matt504]

And people in this country had the nerve to get on Russia's case about human rights violations and mistreatment.

which is exactly why there's a LOT of validity to the "agenda" threads that have been popping up. no disrespect to gay people and their rights, but we have a lot of problems right here at home being completely ignored.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

This detective is sitting on the stand with the face.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

I can't believe the fact he had drinks in him is irrelevant.

It is relevant. The prosecution established that Dunn was lying about his alcohol intake, and cemented the idea that Dunn was inebriated. Dunn initially claimed to police that he only had one drink, but the prosecution got him to admit during cross examination that he had "3 or 4"...Dunn tried to weasel out of his lie by saying that the multiple drinks werent stiff, and equaled "one drink"....again, not even bothering to cover for his own lies, or develop a credible story.

 

[bzb]

During cross examination, Dunn was flustered and blurted out that "there were a car full of shooters with the intention of killing me"...the prosecution countered that the driver was calm and respectful by Dunn's own admission, and asked why Dunn was painting him as a "gangster" and a potential killer. Dunn had to admit that error in front of the jury.

i think even his lawyer knows by now.

i don't see how any objective person could listen to his constant stream of contradictions and surmise this dude isn't prejudiced against blacks and lying through his teeth to try and save his ass. he's actually doing more harm than help though. throughout his entire testimony he contradicted his fiance, who is believable, even if somewhat overemotional, his own videotaped discussion with the detectives and even testimony he gave just a few minutes earlier. after seeing him backpedal, flounder and straight up lie his supporters have to be doing this right now...

personally i don't think there's anyway the black women on this jury allow anything less than a guilty verdict. the only thing dunn can hope for is a hung jury. and a retrial won't work in his favor because the contradictions will become even more glaring the second time around.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

i think even his lawyer knows by now.

i don't see how any objective person could listen to his constant stream of contradictions and surmise this dude isn't prejudiced against blacks and lying through his teeth to try and save his ass. he's actually doing more harm than help though. throughout his entire testimony he contradicted his fiance, who is believable, even if somewhat overemotional, his own videotaped discussion with the detectives and even testimony he gave just a few minutes earlier. after seeing him backpedal, flounder and straight up lie his supporters have to be doing this right now...

personally i don't think there's anyway the black women on this jury allow anything less than a guilty verdict. the only thing dunn can hope for is a hung jury. and a retrial won't work in his favor because the contradictions will become even more glaring the second time around.

On top of being racist, he doesn't seem very smart. He may be a software developer, but he has no common sense. Why would you repeatedly say "I didn't do anything wrong" on the stand? Even if that's your case, don't say those words.

And why would you say you were worried about "the local gangsters" retaliating, when the jury's already heard you call the kids thugs and read your racist ass letters from jail about how black thugs need to be killed, reinforcing the fact that you see all black youth as "thugs"?

His lawyer didn't coach him better than that?

 

[Matt504]

On top of being racist, he doesn't seem very smart. He may be a software developer, but he has no common sense. Why would you repeatedly say "I didn't do anything wrong" on the stand? Even if that's your case, don't say those words.

And why would you say you were worried about "the local gangsters" retaliating, when the jury's already heard you call the kids thugs and read your racist ass letters from jail about how black thugs need to be killed, reinforcing the fact that you see all black youth as "thugs"?

His lawyer didn't coach him better than that?

his Lawyer most certainly coached him better than that, had Zimmerman testified in his case, we would have seen the same behavior because these sociopaths tend to think they can outsmart everyone.

even though I think the judge is biased toward Dunn, he even came with the

face when Dunn was contridicting himself.

 

[NZA]

now they are playing

 

[Serious]

now they are playing

maybe they'll play this next:

 

[Suicide King]

At Least 26 Children Or Teens Died In Florida Stand Your Ground Cases
BY NICOLE FLATOW ON FEBRUARY 5, 2014 AT 4:14 PM


"At Least 26 Children Or Teens Died In Florida Stand Your Ground Cases"

Stand your ground is a joke...law was passed by a redneck congressman and is poorly written.

In nearly a third of the cases the Times analyzed, defendants initiated the fight, shot an unarmed person or pursued their victim — and still went free.

Similar cases can have opposite outcomes. Depending on who decided their cases, some drug dealers claiming self-defense have gone to prison while others have been set free. The same holds true for killers who left a fight, only to arm themselves and return. Shoot someone from your doorway? Fire on a fleeing burglar? Your case can swing on different interpretations of the law by prosecutors, judge or jury.

Derrick Hansberry thought John Webster was having an affair with his estranged wife, so he confronted Webster on a basketball court in Dade City in 2005. A fight broke out and Hansberry shot his unarmed rival at least five times, putting him in the hospital for three weeks.

Ultimately, a jury acquitted Hansberry, but not before police and prosecutors weighed in. Neither thought Hansberry could reasonably argue self-defense because he took the gun with him and initiated the confrontation.

• During an argument at a 2009 party in Fort Myers, Omar Bonilla fired his gun into the ground and beat Demarro Battle, then went inside and gave the gun to a friend. If Battle feared for his life, he had time to flee. Instead, he got a gun from his car and returned to shoot Bonilla three times, including once in the back. Battle was not charged in the slaying.

•At another party in the same town five months later, Reginald Etienne and Joshua Sands were arguing. Etienne left the party and returned with a knife. During a fistfight between the two men, Etienne fatally stabbed Sands. He was sent to prison for life.

In West Palm Beach, Christopher Cote started pounding on the door of neighbor Jose Tapanes at 4 a.m. after an argument over Cote's dog. Tapanes stepped outside and fired his shotgun twice, killing Cote. A jury acquitted him, but prosecutors and a judge had discounted Tapanes' self-defense claim, saying if he was truly afraid for his life, he should not have stepped outside.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...s-some-shocking-outcomes-depending-on/1233133

 

[Strapped]

A charge should have been brought on Rhonda for her lying & not calling the coppers, no way she did not know what happened , her conscience will undo her karma is a bytch

 

[the kid]

As a defense attorney I gotta say, the prosecution has put on a vastly better case in this one than the Zimmerman case. Saving the interrogation video for rebuttal is what should have happened in Zimmerman. Forces the defendant to testify to explain how he was afraid. In the Zimmerman case, the prosecution basically laid out the defense's argument for them without forcing the defense to fully present what Zimmerman's mind state was at the time of the shooting.