Michael Dunn, killer of Jordan Davis trial thread
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Somebody please make this a smiley! @3Rivers @cook @Brooklynzson
All jokes aside I really hope they knock out all of his front teeth before he's forced to suck on inmate dikks for the rest of his life, he need to be washing draws, preparing meals, all that prison wife shyt. Since he's so bytch he gotta shoot at teenagers over loud music I want Michelle Dunn to get turned into a bytch. He is what he is.
Well not exactly. What I take from this case is that if you truly believe you are "defending" yourself from death, you must at all times remain in a "defensive" or "the/your original" position. The moment you "gain" the upper hand, the clock stops, and any crime thereafter no longer falls under stand your ground.
So this is a tale of 2 cases. He was penalized for pursuing, not shooting.
So yes, in essence Floridians, if you pull up in a tinted car tonight, and the guy next to you thinks you have a gun, he can shoot you and claim self defense. The "threat of" is considered the engaging behavior, the shooting is the defending position. As long as you do not "advance" or "prolong" the conflict, you are in fact, not guilty.
So correct me if I'm wrong, not only was Dunn convicted of pursuing the vehicle, the jury contends that at the time of the conflict, the threat of death was very real and evidence after the conflict does not factor at all? In other words, the attempted murder counts are only valid because he pursued the car, not because there wasn't a weapon recovered, correct?
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Lets just hope when Mr. Dunn arrives in prison..He is forthcoming with his fellow inmates about why he is there...I hope and pray he tries to regulate in prison the same way he did that night whenever he feels an injustice has occured ,but only this time he wont have his gun with him...Lets see how agressive he is behind bars when dealing with grown men and not teenage kids....
You seem upset..
No. The stand your ground law effectively removed the duty of retreat in Florida. For those that do not recall what the duty to retreat is it is, "A doctrine in criminal law found in some jurisdictions requiring that, unless at home, at his or her place of business, or in a situation where the assailant is a person the victim is attempting to arrest, the victim in a murderous assault must attempt to retreat safely rather than resorting to using deadly force in self-defense. In tort law, failure to exercise retreat may result in liability’s being attached to the party who could have retreated."
Florida's stand your ground law allows individuals to use deadly force in situations where they subjectively perceive themselves to be in danger, or at least that is how juries are interpreting it. So it's not the reasonable person standard of what a reasonable person in that position would have believed. It makes the law beholden to the capricious nature of human perception and devolves the justification of self-defense in Florida to purported fears of the least sensible man. In the instant case, this man made a judgment that few rational people would make. Even if there supposed threats were true, if we were to allow every vulgar statement to stand as justification for deadly preemptive violence then the concept of self-defense is rendered meaningless. It would be better regarded as a standard providing for self-offense.
That is the danger. The rule you're suggesting is not novel. It is the very tenant of self-defense. One can with respond to force equal to the threat, but if the threat no longer exists then one then becomes the aggressor. This typically occurs when the other party has "yielded." But in most cases under SYG the facts will not fit as neatly as they do in this case where you can define a clear beginning and end of the alleged threat. The only reason we have that is because the other kids lived. The impetus is to kill all of the others because one could simply claim that he sought to disable them all because multiple individuals gestured towards the weapon and he could not be certain who had it. He could argue that it was a group threat and so his defensive measures were orientated towards stopping an entire group. Again, the law significantly diminishes the "reasonableness" factor. And it is not just people this law saw to limit, but judges as well. Further, a strong of cases nation-wide with these laws undermine your cut off point claim.
All this case told us was that this law is random and provides no guidance.
He's trolling, and that's the last person to troll in here before they get the boot.fukk!!!!!
No, black children being murdered over bullshyt isn't a problem at all Gov.
I'll start backwards…
But that's NOT what the jury ruled here. That's why I need to know the reason the attempted murder charges stuck. From what I'm seeing, the jurors did not "care" if he sought to disable them. They care that Dunn did not...
To get an attempted murder charge, don't the jurors have to believe the…..
So they agree that Dunn is the aggressor once he fires shots into the truck "because" be failed to retreat, no?
The jury said he does not have the right to use stand your ground on the other boys, but he does against jordan davis. That's what I said they said in my first post.
But that's NOT what the jury ruled here. That's why I need to know the reason the attempted murder charges stuck. From what I'm seeing, the jurors did not "care" if he sought to disable them. They care that Dunn did not...
To get an attempted murder charge, don't the jurors have to believe the…..
So they agree that Dunn is the aggressor once he fires shots into the truck "because" be failed to retreat, no?
The jury said he does not have the right to use stand your ground on the other boys, but he does against jordan davis. That's what I said they said in my first post.
i can't front...if he somehow gets off and someone takes vigilante justice into their own hands busts his cabbage as he's leaving the courthouse i would be happy. the only thing that would make it perfect is if a white person murkd him. the dazed and confused reaction of racists and bigots like.....
no backlash on the black community ........white people scared of their own...
That would be the greatest mindfukk of all time.
SMH @ nikkas urge to party being more important than the justice for Trayvon
Grand Eeezus Maxwell
"Time is when, God....lounge!!"
Rick Scott might be the biggest piece of shyt ever
a lot of Black people from this generation have never even heard a Malcolm X speech.
that's why you have so many Black people outraged over something that's been going on forever.
Black kids better educate themselves and stop fukking around with the bullshyt media. CACs are gonna be in the minority in the next 30 years and we gotta practice group economics, get more black lawyers and judges, and start putting fear in CACs again instead of black-on-black crime