Miami Heat 2015 Offseason thread: Reload, Retool, and most importantly, Recover

[Draje]

me personally, he doesn't do anything special. Riley seems to be a big fan of his tho

One good thing I really like about McBob is that he's a great passer and he could probably match up well with Whiteside. He can stretch the floor because his shot is respectable, he has great vision for those oops Whiteside likes, and our offense can pretty similary with him and Bosh as our 4.

He can pretty much be a Bosh-lite that we never run an offense out of.

 

[Alexander The Great]

One good thing I really like about McBob is that he's a great passer and he could probably match up well with Whiteside. He can stretch the floor because his shot is respectable, he has great vision for those oops Whiteside likes, and our offense can pretty similary with him and Bosh as our 4.

He can pretty much be a Bosh-lite that we never run an offense out of.

that sounds good, but we watched him play and he never showed much. 4 pts a game or whatever he averaged. and his #s weren't great with the Hornets either. I think he's overrated

 

[MIAlien]

A 6'8 to 6'9 SF who can guard multiple positions, can handle the rock and is comfortable in the PnR, and hit the three?

Breh, athletic and versatile SFs are starting to run the league. Durant, Giannis, Butler, Kawhi, Paul George, etc?

Remember how Butler was just good last season and became a bonafide star this one? Or Kawhi? Or PG13?

Those kinda guys tend to explode two to three years when they get used to NBA pace and athletes. Plus, he's a gym rat!

6'8"? Nah, he's 6'5" without shoes on. And all of the guys you named are at least an inch taller than him. He hasn't been described as athletic either. He doesn't get up enough to finish well at the rim. And his handle isn't great either. I do think he has potential, but right now he'd be a defender first and foremost, since his offense is limited and his decision making is questionable.

He reminds me of Ron Artest though, and that could be good.

 

[intruder]

6'8"? Nah, he's 6'5" without shoes on. And all of the guys you named are at least an inch taller than him. He hasn't been described as athletic either. He doesn't get up enough to finish well at the rim. And his handle isn't great either. I do think he has potential, but right now he'd be a defender first and foremost, since his offense is limited and his decision making is questionable.

He reminds me of Ron Artest though, and that could be good.

I wouldn't worry about the bolded much.

NBA lists its players heights as measured with shoes ON. Wade is really 6'3 without shoes. So i Barkley. Basically every time yo hear an NBA and NCAA list a player at a certain height you can deduct 1.5 to 2" from that number to get their real height without shoes.

Whereas European players are measured with shoes OFF. So for European league players you sometimes have to add an inch or two

 

[Mr. Brown]

The whole measuring players without shoes on is so stupid. Nobody plays barefoot so who cares how tall they are when they aren't wearing shoes.

 

[Draje]

that sounds good, but we watched him play and he never showed much. 4 pts a game or whatever he averaged. and his #s weren't great with the Hornets either. I think he's overrated

Breh, he was injured for pretty much the whole season.

6'8"? Nah, he's 6'5" without shoes on. And all of the guys you named are at least an inch taller than him. He hasn't been described as athletic either. He doesn't get up enough to finish well at the rim. And his handle isn't great either. I do think he has potential, but right now he'd be a defender first and foremost, since his offense is limited and his decision making is questionable.

He reminds me of Ron Artest though, and that could be good.

Wait, what? He's been stated to be very strong and very quick. He struggles with contact and finishing but he's been stated to be a capable three point shooter who will only improve and he's 19 years old.

He's very athletic. He's not ungodly explosive but he's definitely a good NBA athlete.

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/stanley-johnson

Offensive polish can be taught, just like finishing. Hell, look at Jimmy Butler who could only shoot 3s and draw fouls until this year. The dude will absolutely flourish with an NBA trainers and helpers, especially with his ethic.

And, a big thing is that he might be able to replace what Deng does for us on a much cheaper contract that can allow us to make a move at a reliable 3 and D two guard to backup Wade.

 

[Alexander The Great]

@Draje yeah I'm fully aware he didn't play many games this season, and when he did play he didn't do shyt. there were games where he didn't even shoot the ball or maybe took one FG. his career average is like 5 points a gm. I'd rather they trade him and use his money for a backup Shooting Guard

 

[Draje]

@Draje yeah I'm fully aware he didn't play many games this season, and when he did play he didn't do shyt. there were games where he didn't even shoot the ball or maybe took one FG. his career average is like 5 points a gm. I'd rather they trade him and use his money for a backup Shooting Guard

Breh, he was working his way back from a toe injury and averaged 17 minutes a game.

He just started playing starting minutes for Charlotte the seaso before we got him and he was averaging 8-4-4 with 1.7 TOV while shooting 36% from 3.

He's a PF with guard vision and playmaking ability who is immensely creative and is playing on a team with a bunch of great cutters.

He'd bring playmaking and passing to our 2nd unit especially if he runs with guys like Chalmers and Ennis.

 

[Alexander The Great]

Breh, he was working his way back from a toe injury and averaged 17 minutes a game.

He just started playing starting minutes for Charlotte the seaso before we got him and he was averaging 8-4-4 with 1.7 TOV while shooting 36% from 3.

He's a PF with guard vision and playmaking ability who is immensely creative and is playing on a team with a bunch of great cutters.

He'd bring playmaking and passing to our 2nd unit especially if he runs with guys like Chalmers and Ennis.

without googling Josh McRoberts Highlights, what proof do you have of this besides what reporters have said?

 

[MIAlien]

Breh, he was injured for pretty much the whole season.



Wait, what? He's been stated to be very strong and very quick. He struggles with contact and finishing but he's been stated to be a capable three point shooter who will only improve and he's 19 years old.

He's very athletic. He's not ungodly explosive but he's definitely a good NBA athlete.

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/stanley-johnson

Offensive polish can be taught, just like finishing. Hell, look at Jimmy Butler who could only shoot 3s and draw fouls until this year. The dude will absolutely flourish with an NBA trainers and helpers, especially with his ethic.

And, a big thing is that he might be able to replace what Deng does for us on a much cheaper contract that can allow us to make a move at a reliable 3 and D two guard to backup Wade.

I guess we're splitting hairs on athleticism if you're saying very athletic and I've read/heard he has decent athleticism, but he's not an elite athlete in terms of vertical leap or speed. He IS very strong though and is a great defender. And his offensive limitations can be fixed, especially since he'll be 19 in 5 days. So what we've seen is from an 18 year old.

The whole measuring players without shoes on is so stupid. Nobody plays barefoot so who cares how tall they are when they aren't wearing shoes.

It only matters because agents and college teams lie to scouts. And you can take their height without shoes on and just add an inch or so to make it their listed height. For instance, Kentucky measured Devin Booker nearly an inch taller a year ago than he was measured recently for the Draft. That inch of height would make him a sure top 10 pick.

I wouldn't worry about the bolded much.

NBA lists its players heights as measured with shoes ON. Wade is really 6'3 without shoes. So i Barkley. Basically every time yo hear an NBA and NCAA list a player at a certain height you can deduct 1.5 to 2" from that number to get their real height without shoes.

Whereas European players are measured with shoes OFF. So for European league players you sometimes have to add an inch or two

I corrected it because there's a huge difference between 6'6.5" with shoes on and 6'8" with shoes on. Stanley Johnson isn't close to 6'8" with shoes on. That means he isn't a prototypical NBA SF in terms of height. Luol Deng is 6'8" and is prototypical SF sized. That means SFs would have a few inches on Stanley. What's special about him is his wingspan, strength, and weight, because at 240 he can make up for the lack of height at the 3.

And with that said, he could easily grow and inch or two, because his wingspan is in an odd place for his height. Guys with his wingspan are usually a few inches taller, and guys at his height usually have a shorter wingspan by at least a few inches. Only a few guards have that type of disparity between height and wingspan. That's something for the team to consider too, since he's only 18.

 

[Luke Cage]

without googling Josh McRoberts Highlights, what proof do you have of this besides what reporters have said?

he actually played very well for the hornets and thats the main reason we signed him. as a big he's a great passer and he can stretch the floor.

 

[Alexander The Great]

he actually played very well for the hornets and thats the main reason we signed him. as a big he's a great passer and he can stretch the floor.

bruh, how many games did you actually see of his playing for the Hornets besides the four game sweep we did to them last season?

 

[Primetime21]

Yea it's too soon to give up on McRoberts. I want to see this team with dragic/Wade/no.10 pick/bosh/whiteside with McRoberts, FA acquisition, and all the young fellas before even thinking about making a trade.

 

[Luke Cage]

bruh, how many games did you actually see of his playing for the Hornets besides the four game sweep we did to them last season?

did you watch any games?
He shot 42% from deep this season in our team despite the injuries. and you acting like what i said isn't true?

 

[Alexander The Great]

did you watch any games?
He shot 42% from deep this season in our team despite the injuries. and you acting like what i said isn't true?

no I'm asking you what proof you have of what you are saying. like I know when reporters talk about McRoberts they bring up his passing skills, etc. what I'm saying is I didn't see where he was so special even in the limited games he played for us. I'd much rather a pay a quality backup Shooting Guard 5/6 million a year than him. and come on with the 42% from 3, did he even take 20 of them?