Mayweather vs. Guerrero FIGHT THREAD

[RedBull]

yea canelos too young and inexperience. The fight at this point was supposed to be floyd vs amir khan, but khan kept losing and fukking it up.

I agree. That's why there was no one else for him to fight.

 

[Master Teacher]

I think once he got to 140lbs it became the business decision solely over the competition/business model previous stars had prior to him (Leonard, De La Hoya, etc). He turned down a contract to fight Antonio Margarito for his highest payday of $8 Million in 2006 which also included a match up with Miguel Cotto the following year (which is when Cotto became a Welterweight). By the time Floyd had his semi retirement after the Hatton fight, the 147lb division looked like this:

1. Miguel Cotto
2. Antonio Margarito
3. Joshua Clottey
4. Paul Williams
5. Shane Mosley

It was the hotbed of Boxing for close to 2 years with the addition of Pacquiao the following year. All these guys fought one another during what was still in a sense Floyd's peak and he fights two of those 5 listed YEARS after they were premier match ups.

It may sound like I'm hating on Floyd (I think he's the best boxer on the planet) but in his later years he hasn't raised my eyebrows as far as his selection of opponents as opposed to fights with Corrales and Castillo that stylistically and competitively were dangerous fights and he overcame (well...except the 1st Castillo fight lol).

This nikka fought 2 of the people on your list man, and the best two.

Cotto was in the best shape of his life in that fight with Floyd, look at his body in comparison to other fights especially the one with pac

Margarito, yall still on this shyt with him, Shane took away the chance he had of fighting floyd when he KO'd him, if he would have beat Shane he would have been in the conversation. Shane took his title and then fought Floyd right after.

Clottey, you can't be serious. This nikka ain't been seen in a boxing gym since he took the dive against Pac.

Paul Williams, be serious, dude defense was terrible, shyt would have been a boring UD for Floyd, besides he needed to be at middleweight instead of fighting undersized fighters.

Shane got that work.

WTF is you talking about, only fighter Floyd hasn't fought that he should've is Pac, and thats mostly due to politics of the game.

 

[<<TheStandard>>]

This All Access thing was one of the most boring television shows I've every seen.....SMH

LOL @ Mayweather making Guerrero tour without him.....

It's obvious Mayweather is just cashing out

 

[Rev]

This All Access thing was one of the most boring television shows I've every seen.....SMH

LOL @ Mayweather making Guerrero tour without him.....

It's obvious Mayweather is just cashing out

i agree, it was pretty boring. we'll see in the next 3, since the first might've just been the recap ep.

floyd explained why he didn't tour though. he doesn't need to at this point. the fight is sold to its capacity at this point from his perspective. he's in it, everybody knows it's on Showtime PPV with his new contract & everybody knows the date. he doesn't really need to do anything else to get his name out there. besides, i think he knows that this fight won't be the highest-grossing one of his career anyway. so, no extra effort is exactly needed.

 

[patscorpio]

Paul Williams, be serious, dude defense was terrible, shyt would have been a boring UD for Floyd, besides he needed to be at middleweight instead of fighting undersized fighters.

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for crying out loud..punisher was a natural welter...how many times does this need to be said..punisher only went up to 154 and dabbled in 160 just to get fights not because he couldn't make the weight..he was a tall volume punching southpaw ...defense issues aside he was someone who could easily trouble somebody with floyd's style

 

[Master Teacher]

for crying out loud..punisher was a natural welter...how many times does this need to be said..punisher only went up to 154 and dabbled in 160 just to get fights not because he couldn't make the weight..he was a tall volume punching southpaw ...defense issues aside he was someone who could easily trouble somebody with floyd's style

what makes you say that, because he throws a lot of slappy punches.

He was overrated just like Margarito, Shane probably could have KO'd Paul too.

 

[HamAndEgger]

This nikka fought 2 of the people on your list man, and the best two.

Cotto was in the best shape of his life in that fight with Floyd, look at his body in comparison to other fights especially the one with pac

Margarito, yall still on this shyt with him, Shane took away the chance he had of fighting floyd when he KO'd him, if he would have beat Shane he would have been in the conversation. Shane took his title and then fought Floyd right after.

Clottey, you can't be serious. This nikka ain't been seen in a boxing gym since he took the dive against Pac.

Paul Williams, be serious, dude defense was terrible, shyt would have been a boring UD for Floyd, besides he needed to be at middleweight instead of fighting undersized fighters.

Shane got that work.

WTF is you talking about, only fighter Floyd hasn't fought that he should've is Pac, and thats mostly due to politics of the game.

Cotto and Mosley are good names on his resume, but it's about WHEN you fight certain guys that you're heralded higher. Rocky Marciano beat Joe Walcott and Joe Louis, but were they the best versions of either? The same applies for Cotto and Mosley. Mosley hadn't fought in close to 16 months and was 38 years old while Cotto had taken beatings from Margarito, Pacquiao, Clottey and was clearly not a prime Cotto. That's not to give either guy an excuse why he lost because I favored Floyd in both even in 2008, but problem is he didn't fight these guys (among others) at their pinnacle to truly test his merit. We all understand Boxing is and has always been a business and if guys like Floyd want to just be viewed as a great commodity for Boxing then that's fine too, it helps the sport in its own way. But at least for me, I'll see Floyd and his team as some of the best matchmakers in history when it comes to reward over risk.

 

[Master Teacher]

Cotto and Mosley are good names on his resume, but it's about WHEN you fight certain guys that you're heralded higher. Rocky Marciano beat Joe Walcott and Joe Louis, but were they the best versions of either? The same applies for Cotto and Mosley. Mosley hadn't fought in close to 16 months and was 38 years old while Cotto had taken beatings from Margarito, Pacquiao, Clottey and was clearly not a prime Cotto. That's not to give either guy an excuse why he lost because I favored Floyd in both even in 2008, but problem is he didn't fight these guys (among others) at their pinnacle to truly test his merit. We all understand Boxing is and has always been a business and if guys like Floyd want to just be viewed as a great commodity for Boxing then that's fine too, it helps the sport in its own way. But at least for me, I'll see Floyd and his team as some of the best matchmakers in history when it comes to reward over risk.

GTFO, Cotto was in the best shape I seen him against Floyd.
Earlier Cotto wouldn't have stood a chance he wasn't ready anyway. He was the one ducking, plus a younger Floyd would destroy Cotto, TKO.

Floyd's PRIME BEEN PAST YOU EVER CONSIDERED THAT
When this nikka was in his mid to late twenty's nobody wanted to fukk wit him

Floyd is older than Cotto and PAC, Shane just CAME OVER A DEVASTATING KO VICTORY AGAINST A GUY YOU SAY FLOYD WAS SCARED OFF AND WAS LEGIT CONTENDER SO HOW THE fukk WAS HE WASHED WHEN HE FOUGHT FLOYD THE NEXT FIGHT. HE WAS WASHED UP AFTER THE FIGHT WITH FLOYD BECAUSE HE LOOKED LIKE shyt EVER SINCE.

 

[patscorpio]

Cotto and Mosley are good names on his resume, but it's about WHEN you fight certain guys that you're heralded higher. Rocky Marciano beat Joe Walcott and Joe Louis, but were they the best versions of either? The same applies for Cotto and Mosley. Mosley hadn't fought in close to 16 months and was 38 years old while Cotto had taken beatings from Margarito, Pacquiao, Clottey and was clearly not a prime Cotto. That's not to give either guy an excuse why he lost because I favored Floyd in both even in 2008, but problem is he didn't fight these guys (among others) at their pinnacle to truly test his merit. We all understand Boxing is and has always been a business and if guys like Floyd want to just be viewed as a great commodity for Boxing then that's fine too, it helps the sport in its own way. But at least for me, I'll see Floyd and his team as some of the best matchmakers in history when it comes to reward over risk.

this has been said many times in this thread and in other floyd related threads breh......its pretty much the main reason why i can't get behind floyd as a fighter even though his fighting style is up there with the greats of the past..you gotta fight and fight the right opponents for me to support you

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

It's gotten to the point to where it is truly an event and spectacle to watch him fight. I don't give a flying fukk really about him fighting Robert. Who else is in the ring with him is basically meaningless, I'm excited just to see Floyd in the ring. A lot of people are in the same boat that I find myself in.

You're exactly the type of fool Floyd banks on. "I don't care who he fights, I JUST WANT TO SEEEEE HIM".

 

[RedBull]

Cotto and Mosley are good names on his resume, but it's about WHEN you fight certain guys that you're heralded higher. Rocky Marciano beat Joe Walcott and Joe Louis, but were they the best versions of either? The same applies for Cotto and Mosley. Mosley hadn't fought in close to 16 months and was 38 years old while Cotto had taken beatings from Margarito, Pacquiao, Clottey and was clearly not a prime Cotto. That's not to give either guy an excuse why he lost because I favored Floyd in both even in 2008, but problem is he didn't fight these guys (among others) at their pinnacle to truly test his merit. We all understand Boxing is and has always been a business and if guys like Floyd want to just be viewed as a great commodity for Boxing then that's fine too, it helps the sport in its own way. But at least for me, I'll see Floyd and his team as some of the best matchmakers in history when it comes to reward over risk.

You're still faulting Floyd even after reading my last post to you? You still didn't respond or refute anything I said to you.

 

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

You're exactly the type of fool Floyd banks on. "I don't care who he fights, I JUST WANT TO SEEEEE HIM".

What I said should be said with a caveat, of course we want him to fight great competition so I ask you, who should he fight?

 

[Black Ball]

You're exactly the type of fool Floyd banks on. "I don't care who he fights, I JUST WANT TO SEEEEE HIM".

At this point, I'm somewhat in this boat. Dude only got a few fights left and I'm hyped at the opportunity to see one of the greatest ever perform at close to his Prime level.

There is nothing like the anticipation of a big fight night. Hopefully this is just a tune up for Canelo though.

 

[Mook]

You're exactly the type of fool Floyd banks on. "I don't care who he fights, I JUST WANT TO SEEEEE HIM".

thats cause hes the goat fakkit with the most scientific beautiful movements

His body is a paintbrush and the ring is his canvas

 

[Roid Jones]

I think once he got to 140lbs it became the business decision solely over the competition/business model previous stars had prior to him (Leonard, De La Hoya, etc). He turned down a contract to fight Antonio Margarito for his highest payday of $8 Million in 2006 which also included a match up with Miguel Cotto the following year (which is when Cotto became a Welterweight). By the time Floyd had his semi retirement after the Hatton fight, the 147lb division looked like this:

1. Miguel Cotto
2. Antonio Margarito
3. Joshua Clottey
4. Paul Williams
5. Shane Mosley

It was the hotbed of Boxing for close to 2 years with the addition of Pacquiao the following year. All these guys fought one another during what was still in a sense Floyd's peak and he fights two of those 5 listed YEARS after they were premier match ups.

It may sound like I'm hating on Floyd (I think he's the best boxer on the planet) but in his later years he hasn't raised my eyebrows as far as his selection of opponents as opposed to fights with Corrales and Castillo that stylistically and competitively were dangerous fights and he overcame (well...except the 1st Castillo fight lol).

1. Miguel Cotto

(Arum kept him away from Floyd, this is known, he was at ringside when Floyd trashed Gatti so was Hatton but only one of them offered up a challenge.)

2. Antonio Margarito

(Miss me with that, lets forget Floyd had just left Arum and we all know that history, lets also forget the Floyd turned him down to fight a better fighter at higher weight for more money. Hell even before that he fought and beat the lineal champion in Baldomir.)

This may not apply to you but most throw out Margarito's name as a tool to beat Floyd with, without knowing a damn thing about his history and anyone saying that he was a must fight or defining fight for Floyd in 2006 is a damn lair.)

3. Joshua Clottey

(Tough fighter but again at what point would they have fought and why, nobody every called for this fight and when Floyd came back Clottey he was gate keeper status)


4. Paul Williams

(I don't think Floyd ducked him, I was interested in seeing this but felt Floyd would beat him because Williams does not fight tall.)

5. Shane Mosley

(Floyd has called out Mosley but Shane had a bad tooth or some garbage and bailed out and even when they did fight he was a champ after beating the man who beat Cotto*)