Mayweather vs. Guerrero FIGHT THREAD

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it'll just go full circle back into Pacman, people just want to see him lose and come up with these dumb excuses when he wins oh well he ducked so and so,..he beats them well he ducked so-and-so, beats them... :beli: well he still didn't fight Pacquiáo :to:

:heh: and the crazy thing is, all these fighters are fighting a past-his-prime Mayweather and he is still dominating.
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Having said that, if Floyd doesn't fight Canelo next would you consider that another duck in his career. You can write a whole book why Mayweather "can" or "could" beat Canelo, but it doesnt matter if he doesnt get inside the ring with him. Same thing with Pacman, Margarito (2008), Sergio, etc....


I also think Mayweather fighting Canelo next makes the most sense both financially and career wise... but if he goes with Amir Khan next :ohlawd:

See, lol. Therein lies the problem. Its easy to say he is ducking if he doesnt fight him but truth is....it really isnt a true duck.

Let me preface by saying, I want to see Floyd fight a true threat just as much as the next man. I may not agree that Canelo is that threat but thats my personal opinion.

Here is why you cant really corner Floyd with the duck statements. The guys in the Barbershop or at the water cooler :udontknow:

Its not a duck if he can make the same amount or more fighting another opponent. If Floyd made $32 guaranteed for Ghost....I dont doubt he can be matched with someone else and make the same amount as he would for Canelo. What you have to consider is...Floyd is gonna get the same amount or more regardless but because Canelo has certain things going for him he will demand more than what Guerrero got and that cuts into Floyd's money. Hence why I say Floyd can still make more fighting a guy at the level of Ghost who can take a small portion and be happy with that share.

The moment Floyd signed to fight Baldomir for $8 mil, all the legitimacy of the claims that he was ducking Margarito went out the window. He got $1 more to fight the TRUE LINEAL WW champ.

So if you take these things into account:

Canelo is not the lineal champion at JMW even though he is the Ring Magazine champ.

Floyd makes Canelo more money for the fight but not necessarily the other way around.

Canelo would outweigh Floyd by 20lbs come fight time because he is more of a 154lber/160lber while Floyd only fought there against fighters his size.

You cant truly call it a duck or at least Floyd will always have legitimate arguments against.

I think that by signing that deal....Floyd will not be able to avoid Canelo unless Canelo loses. It may not be his next fight but it will be his 3rd at the latest.

I am critical of Floyd. Its a duck if they never fight without good enough reasons. We just havent seen any situation like that with Floyd. Especially not the fighters you named.

Floyd didnt duck Pac because Pac was playing around with the OSTD. Had Pac said I agree to the terms...then no way does Floyd have an out but that didnt happen. I explained Margarito above. Sergio? You cant duck a fighter who fights two weight classes higher than where you are champion. Floyd is not the champion at 154. If you use that logic then how can Floyd duck Canelo but Canelo not duck Serge?

Two things to remember... Floyd is the LINEAL and TRUE welterweight champion. Not Manny. Not JMM. So technically, its not a duck unless he vacates against the next available contender to the title he holds in his division. The WBA has not cleared up their stance on who is their champion at 154 and who is the #1 contender. Even if Floyd says he doesnt want to fight at 154 its not a duck because he is the welterweight champion. He never committed to being a junior middleweight.

I truly believe Garcia is next followed by Canelo next May.
 

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I will bump this thread once he announces his next fight. I've been let down too many times to believe he'll ever fight Canelo.

he will fight him, by May, 2014 at least. trust me. unless:

a) canelo loses
b) floyd retires and kills his showtime deal
c) canelo refuses OSDT :mike:
 

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Clearly 70 bucks is a whole lot more to you than it is to me. I'm good brother :smugdraper:, entertaining undercard and the main even was a display of amazing boxing.

It ain't about the amount breh. It's that you're a sucker:snoop: especially if you can watch that shyt for free:skip:

I'd rather go and spend that $70 on a well aged steak at Morton's than watch Floyd dodge punches for 12 rounds.:heh:
 

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he will fight him, by May, 2014 at least. trust me. unless:

a) canelo loses
b) floyd retires and kills his showtime deal
c) canelo refuses OSDT :mike:

thing is canelo is 22 on the rise... hell be 25 by the time floyd would be what 38...

if it dont happen soon and floyd can fight bums like guerrero for 32 mil whats his incentive to fight canelo

who i think is over hyped and was going to lose to trout but didnt... anybody think here floyd is going to all of a sudden get braver as canelo ripens into his prime and he decents into old age...

if a fight with martinez hasnt happend at 154 what makes you think it will ever be canelo...

my theory is gbp is gonna try to steer canelo from real threats so all they have to do is wait out floyd and once floyd retires you have canelo as his cash cow...

thing is canelo now a champ.. so he gotta start unifying... at least he said fukk it with trout ...

if floyd wants canelo or martinez IT COULD BE DONE TOMMORW.... there is a reason why the ortizes and guererros of the boxing world are on the plate for him..

for floyd its easy work easy money..
 

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It ain't about the amount breh. It's that you're a sucker:snoop: especially if you can watch that shyt for free:skip:

I'd rather go and spend that $70 on a well aged steak at Morton's than watch Floyd dodge punches for 12 rounds.:heh:


it would be as if you would be proud to have said you spent a couple of grand to watch the heat v. the bucks courtside.... if your gonna spend money at the very least know to pick a game thats not going to be a blow out...lol
 

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Guerrero is not a bum, he just kept getting countered...that shyt is demoralizing breh. Thats why Marquez looked like shyt against Mayweather. After Mayweather dropped Marquez his punch output went way down and he had no shot due to the hand speed advantage.

I think people fail to realize how good Cotto is. Only 3 people gave Mayweather problems in his career...Castillo, Judah, and Cotto. That is IT

Guerrero is a bum. He beat Berto but remind me who has Berto defeated? Berto was a product of hbo.. Nothing more.
 

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it would be as if you would be proud to have said you spent a couple of grand to watch the heat v. the bucks courtside.... if your gonna spend money at the very least know to pick a game thats not going to be a blow out...lol

Breh, you know what kind of fight you'll be watching when Floyd fights. His style isn't conducive to entertaining fights.
 

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Guerrero is a bum. He beat Berto but remind me who has Berto defeated? Berto was a product of hbo.. Nothing more.
I don't know man, I have had this argument with people before and the odds just don't add up when you factor in a fighter that has 30+ fights. It was the Naseem Hamed argument I had back on SOHH and IMO if a boxer is a bum...then another bum will expose him eventually. The fact is that Guerrero was 31-1-1 and had not lost since 2005 (17 fights)

In the case of Berto? He has definitely been protected and built up by HBO, but the same argument goes for him as well until he loses a string of fights. Dude was 27-0...I don't think any "bum" can go that stretch without an L.

Now was their competition suspect? Sure it was, but if they were bums any of those "bums" they faced should have beaten them a couple of times throughout the years out of sheer luck, punchers chance...whatever. Guerrero was just clearly outclassed and thats why I laughed when I first heard Mayweather was going to fight him.
 

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I don't know man, I have had this argument with people before and the odds just don't add up when you factor in a fighter that has 30+ fights. It was the Naseem Hamed argument I had back on SOHH and IMO if a boxer is a bum...then another bum will expose him eventually. The fact is that Guerrero was 31-1-1 and had not lost since 2005 (17 fights)

In the case of Berto? He has definitely been protected and built up by HBO, but the same argument goes for him as well until he loses a string of fights. Dude was 27-0...I don't think any "bum" can go that stretch without an L.

Now was their competition suspect? Sure it was, but if they were bums any of those "bums" they faced should have beaten them a couple of times throughout the years out of sheer luck, punchers chance...whatever. Guerrero was just clearly outclassed and thats why I laughed when I first heard Mayweather was going to fight him.

I can list over 100 fighters that were 27-0. It's not that hard since your first 25 are basically amateur bouts. Dude is a bum. By your theory joe calzaghe is the GOAT.
 

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I can list over 100 fighters that were 27-0. It's not that hard since your first 25 are basically amateur bouts. Dude is a bum. By your theory joe calzaghe is the GOAT.
I never said all that

my argument is that bums are usually exposed by bums since they are essentially in the same class in your theory. A bum to me is the cat who has a 10-6 record something and basically is tune-ups for prospects.

How can Guerrero be a bum if he beat what I consider good competition, but then lose to the best boxer in the past couple of decades? J'Leon Love IMO looked suspect last night, but the jury is still out for him.
 

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I don't know man, I have had this argument with people before and the odds just don't add up when you factor in a fighter that has 30+ fights. It was the Naseem Hamed argument I had back on SOHH and IMO if a boxer is a bum...then another bum will expose him eventually. The fact is that Guerrero was 31-1-1 and had not lost since 2005 (17 fights)

In the case of Berto? He has definitely been protected and built up by HBO, but the same argument goes for him as well until he loses a string of fights. Dude was 27-0...I don't think any "bum" can go that stretch without an L.

Now was their competition suspect? Sure it was, but if they were bums any of those "bums" they faced should have beaten them a couple of times throughout the years out of sheer luck, punchers chance...whatever. Guerrero was just clearly outclassed and thats why I laughed when I first heard Mayweather was going to fight him.

you think guerrero could beat alvarado, rios, pac, bradley, judah at 147, cotto at 147.. jmm at 147... i think madaian can even beat guerrero

berto was a great win.. props to him for winning that fight and thus getting bertos title shot but id be surpsied if he sticks around 147...
 

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you think guerrero could beat alvarado, rios, pac, bradley, judah at 147, cotto at 147.. jmm at 147... i think madaian can even beat guerrero

berto was a great win.. props to him for winning that fight and thus getting bertos title shot but id be surpsied if he sticks around 147...
Probably only a win or 2 out of that bunch, but to just straight put him down to "BUM" status is a bit of an exaggeration IMO.

I think he beats Judah at this point in his career, Maidana would be an interesting fight.
 

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I never said all that

my argument is that bums are usually exposed by bums since they are essentially in the same class in your theory. A bum to me is the cat who has a 10-6 record something and basically is tune-ups for prospects.

How can Guerrero be a bum if he beat what I consider good competition, but then lose to the best boxer in the past couple of decades?

maybe the correct adjective is overhyped overrated fighter...

uh because he jumped 2 division .. beat another overhyped protected fighter (life or death) and all of a sudden gets a title shot with the divisions best fighter...

you think he earned that fight against may at 147 with just two fights at 147????

or great marketing to bring up a guy who hasnt proven sh1t at 147 all of a sudden he becomes credible...

hey and canelo did this too with josesito lopez.. bs fight bringing up somebody from lower weight has no buisness being in there at 154... DOES THAT MEAN LOPEZ A BUM... no but at 154 he has hadnt proven sh1t... making him a bum at 154...

all fighters do this .. showcase fights.. i get it... but when dlh was ko'in GATTI, CHARPNETIERS, RIVERAS OF THE BOXING WORLD nobody should have been trying to elevate those "bums' or overhyped fighters to make dlh look better.... but once he got to the mosleys and TRINIDADS , VARGAS , QUARTEYS of his division .. it was a different story...
 

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maybe the correct adjective is overhyped overrated fighter...

uh because he jumped 2 division .. beat another overhyped protected fighter (life or death) and all of a sudden gets a title shot with the divisions best fighter...

you think he earned that fight against may at 147 with just two fights at 147????

or great marketing to bring up a guy who hasnt proven sh1t at 147 all of a sudden he becomes credible...

hey and canelo did this too with josesito lopez.. bs fight bringing up somebody from lower weight has no buisness being in there at 154... DOES THAT MEAN LOPEZ A BUM... no but at 154 he has hadnt proven sh1t... making him a bum at 154...

all fighters do this .. showcase fights.. i get it... but when dlh was ko'in GATTI, CHARPNETIERS, RIVERAS OF THE BOXING WORLD nobody should have been trying to elevate those "bums' or overhyped fighters to make dlh look better.... but once he got to the mosleys and TRINIDADS , VARGAS , QUARTEYS of his division .. it was a different story...
I don't think he earned that fight against Mayweather, thats why I laughed when I first heard it. But he was the mandatory fight for Floyd :yeshrug:

DLH beat Mosley in the first fight IMO and we all know he beat Trinidad
 
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