What fight were you watching?
If you don't see his speed decline, I don't know what you are watching either.
Mayweather vs. Guerrero FIGHT THREAD
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If you don't see his speed decline, I don't know what you are watching either.
I just logged on to see if there is any serious convo in here about Canelo beating Floyd after last night's performance.
What Floyd does, its very difficult to see with the naked eye...even for people that know boxing. He is the most unconventional conventional fighter I have ever seen. He is so fundamentally sound but mixes fundamentals with a style that is not typical.
He does a lot of intricate things that make it hard to figure him out. Its so subtle that the opponent never notices it until he is way behind on the cards. Floyd is a great defensive fighter due to his foot speed and reflexes. He is hard to hit when leading against him and he wont let you cut the ring off. This is something anyone with eyes can see. What usually goes unnoticed is how his offensive tactics make him great. Based on his reflexes and speed, I wouldnt say Floyd is the best defensive fighter I have ever seen....no way is he as good as Whitaker in that regard. The difference between Floyd and Pernell is...on offense. Pernell was very conventional and he never had to really adapt to a fighter's style because he was so good naturally.
Floyd rarely throws combinations. I have had people tell me before I am crazy for saying that...but a combination in the conventional sense is 1-2-1 or 1-1-2. Not 1. 2. 2. Floyd doesnt string them together like that often and that is part of why his defense is so great. He creates little opportunities for counters by doing this.
This is why it takes more than speed to beat Floyd. Floyd stops guys from throwing and their combinations get weak because they are just trying to lay hands on him. A combination is useless if you cant set it up. No bag in the gym can emulate Floyd's movement and they certainly cant hit back.
I just dont see Canelo causing any problems. He is a much greener fighter than Ghost. Ghost can box and has good speed offensively. Defensively, his speed was exploited like everyone else. Plodding, no head movement, etc.
Canelo is not as good a boxer as Guerrero in my eyes. When Floyd starts pot-shoting and not hanging around for return, Canelo is gonna get the same thing. Head movement not good enough to escape lead rights and lefts and foot speed in conjunction with coordination not good enough to cut ring off.
Some fighters have the styles to beat FMJ but not the tools (footspeed, workrate, punching power, jab, etc.) and the fighters that have the tools dont have the skill or the style.
As frustrating as it is seeing Floyd match with a lot of opponents we feel dont pose a threat...you have to consider this. These fighters today are not as skilled as old school fighters because they are rushed to title shots. Floyd is one of the last true throwback fighters who has put style, skill, and physical ability together.
If Canelo faces Floyd this year...when he is NOT going through a long layoff...I see him getting beat really bad...almost to the point of embarrassment.
What Floyd does, its very difficult to see with the naked eye...even for people that know boxing. He is the most unconventional conventional fighter I have ever seen. He is so fundamentally sound but mixes fundamentals with a style that is not typical.
He does a lot of intricate things that make it hard to figure him out. Its so subtle that the opponent never notices it until he is way behind on the cards. Floyd is a great defensive fighter due to his foot speed and reflexes. He is hard to hit when leading against him and he wont let you cut the ring off. This is something anyone with eyes can see. What usually goes unnoticed is how his offensive tactics make him great. Based on his reflexes and speed, I wouldnt say Floyd is the best defensive fighter I have ever seen....no way is he as good as Whitaker in that regard. The difference between Floyd and Pernell is...on offense. Pernell was very conventional and he never had to really adapt to a fighter's style because he was so good naturally.
Floyd rarely throws combinations. I have had people tell me before I am crazy for saying that...but a combination in the conventional sense is 1-2-1 or 1-1-2. Not 1. 2. 2. Floyd doesnt string them together like that often and that is part of why his defense is so great. He creates little opportunities for counters by doing this.
This is why it takes more than speed to beat Floyd. Floyd stops guys from throwing and their combinations get weak because they are just trying to lay hands on him. A combination is useless if you cant set it up. No bag in the gym can emulate Floyd's movement and they certainly cant hit back.
I just dont see Canelo causing any problems. He is a much greener fighter than Ghost. Ghost can box and has good speed offensively. Defensively, his speed was exploited like everyone else. Plodding, no head movement, etc.
Canelo is not as good a boxer as Guerrero in my eyes. When Floyd starts pot-shoting and not hanging around for return, Canelo is gonna get the same thing. Head movement not good enough to escape lead rights and lefts and foot speed in conjunction with coordination not good enough to cut ring off.
Some fighters have the styles to beat FMJ but not the tools (footspeed, workrate, punching power, jab, etc.) and the fighters that have the tools dont have the skill or the style.
As frustrating as it is seeing Floyd match with a lot of opponents we feel dont pose a threat...you have to consider this. These fighters today are not as skilled as old school fighters because they are rushed to title shots. Floyd is one of the last true throwback fighters who has put style, skill, and physical ability together.
If Canelo faces Floyd this year...when he is NOT going through a long layoff...I see him getting beat really bad...almost to the point of embarrassment.
Formerly known as...
Collector
Floyd literally whooped on DLH and did it at DLH's weight 154.
Re watch the fight, DLH won 4 rounds MAX!!! That judge was a damn fool. And this method of throwing punches while fighting floyd is something easier said than done. He's never there to just land combinations cleanly without him countering you
tnprince1005
Rookie
Having said that, if Floyd doesn't fight Canelo next would you consider that another duck in his career. You can write a whole book why Mayweather "can" or "could" beat Canelo, but it doesnt matter if he doesnt get inside the ring with him. Same thing with Pacman, Margarito (2008), Sergio, etc....
I also think Mayweather fighting Canelo next makes the most sense both financially and career wise... but if he goes with Amir Khan next
CanesMiamiLakers
All Star
So was Rodger letting Floyd brawl (do what he wants) or was he instructing him to go toe to toe because mayweather makes it seem like his D fell off cause of unc
Having said that, if Floyd doesn't fight Canelo next would you consider that another duck in his career. You can write a whole book why Mayweather "can" or "could" beat Canelo, but it doesnt matter if he doesnt get inside the ring with him. Same thing with Pacman, Margarito (2008), Sergio, etc....
I also think Mayweather fighting Canelo next makes the most sense both financially and career wise... but if he goes with Amir Khan next
In 2008 Floyd fought Hatton who was a huge draw and undefeated, previously ducked by Mayweather
Margarito name wasn't ringing bells yet and he ain't shyt man come on he got knocked out by Shane it took him out the picture, Pac-man do we gotta re-visit this shyt
You damn well sergio too big for Floyd that fight is never gonna happen nor does it need too
Who has Floyd duck man, come on man, the media done fried yall nikkaz memories man
cleanface coney
Superstar
you could tell Floyd was in the gym sparring witta big nikka
he had a black eye before the fight he already looked beat up
floyd the best by 3rd he adjusted and got to playin wit dude
floyd the greatest
he had a black eye before the fight he already looked beat up
floyd the best by 3rd he adjusted and got to playin wit dude
floyd the greatest
pac never had any damn control in that fight.
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you might want to watch that fight again breh...pac was up in all 3 official scorecards 47-46, broke marquez's nose, and had him in trouble before he caught the cross countertnprince1005
Rookie
In 2008 Floyd fought Hatton who was a huge draw and undefeated, previously ducked by Mayweather
Margarito name wasn't ringing bells yet and he ain't shyt man come on he got knocked out by Shane it took him out the picture, Pac-man do we gotta re-visit this shyt
You damn well sergio too big for Floyd that fight is never gonna happen nor does it need too
Who has Floyd duck man, come on man, the media done fried yall nikkaz memories man
more excuses for your boyfriend.... Mayweather will duck Canelo. Go ahead and at that to the list of fantasy matchups for your boo.
firemanBk
The Manslayer
Odd thing about Manny is it seemed like he got a bit complacent and maybe even a little lazy in his recent fights. Then, when he got put on his ass against Marquez, it seemed like he woke up and we saw the Pacquiao that destroyed Margarito and Cotto again. Obviously, he got
but I thought he really looked good in between the knockdowns in that fight. As odd as that sounds. 
THE MACHINE
night owl
more excuses for your boyfriend.... Mayweather will duck Canelo. Go ahead and at that to the list of fantasy matchups for your boo.
Since we are dealing in hypotheticals, if he fights and destroys Canelo, then what will you say?
Hood Critic
The Power Circle
It doesn't make business sense for Golden Boy to let Canelo fight Floyd right now. His career is too fresh and he's on pace to make them a lot of money.
It'd be a great draw but why would they chance him getting embarrassed by Floyd and that eating into his future purses.
It'd be a great draw but why would they chance him getting embarrassed by Floyd and that eating into his future purses.
more excuses for your boyfriend.... Mayweather will duck Canelo. Go ahead and at that to the list of fantasy matchups for your boo.
tnprince1005
Rookie
I will bump this thread once he announces his next fight. I've been let down too many times to believe he'll ever fight Canelo.
it'll just go full circle back into Pacman, people just want to see him lose and come up with these dumb excuses when he wins oh well he ducked so and so,..he beats them well he ducked so-and-so, beats them...
well he still didn't fight Pacquiáo 