Mass shooting at Mandala Bay (Vegas) 61 dead, 500 + injured, deadliest shooting in American history

[shopthatwrecks]

Cant you get straight machine guns at gun shows? Which I'd guess are held often in Vegas?

Yep biggest loophole in the system

Is avoid the dealers at booths and buy from the private sellers walking around

No need to do paperwork straight cash / card transactions

Can get pretty much anything

Then hit the booths

And sell to them and make a profit

Buy private then sel

Trade etc 99% of the time you will come back with more than you left the house with

 

[Eddy Gordo]

This has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment.
This guy was a terrorists.
Stop politicizing.




Moreover, the automatic rifles used have been banned since 86(from what I've read).
Not restricted but banned for civilians.
Gun control has little to nothing to do with this.

You can buy a semi auto AK for $400 and mod it into automatic in the same afternoon. It's not hard. And while automatic weapons may be banned the accessories aren't. Getting the stand, drum magazines, and belt for something like this wouldn't be difficult.

A complete gun novice with a clean criminal record could probably pull something like this off with maybe a week or two prep time.

 

[Pinyapplesuckas]

we got a legal gun thread here on the coli? might be time for me to strap up. i cant go out like willy lump lump

 

[DEAD7]

You can buy a semi auto AK for $400 and mod it into automatic in the same afternoon. It's not hard. And while automatic weapons may be banned the accessories aren't. Getting the stand, drum magazines, and belt for something like this wouldn't be difficult.

A complete gun novice with a clean criminal record could probably pull something like this off with maybe a week or two prep time.

How do we remedy this? In your opinion.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I'm talking about the reasons that people buy guns (fear/personal safety/desire to kill). People who have those desires/impulses are not going to be deterred by a law, especially if as I suspect, guns would still be flooding the black market.

Register and require a background check with references and 28-day waiting period for every gun transaction. When you buy a gun from a dealer the transaction is already registered, just extend that to non-dealers too.

Allow one gun purchase per waiting period.

With those two simple laws, you would crush 90% of gun trafficking. Straw purchases and black market sales are already illegal in most circumstances, but impossible to enforce because the legal buyer at the beginning claims, "I sold it to some guy...thought he was legit." If the initial buyer is forced to background check and register his sale, then a ton of people ain't gonna be getting guns because the legal buyers won't risk their clean record to be connected to them.

People with clean records ain't risking that if everything is traced and they can only move one gun a month anyway. Risk too high, reward too small.

That's a big difference between guns and drugs. Drugs can be bought and sold by gangsters, but gun trafficking requires large numbers of people with clean records in the pipeline.

Plus, the combination of waiting period and references on the background check would reduce a lot of crimes of passion, suicides, and crazy shyt. A month is enough time for some people to chill from a bad decision (plus a month only gets you one gun) and a lot of these lone wolf dudes would be stopped if they were forced to let 2-3 people in their lives know that they were suddenly stockpiling guns.

This has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment.
This guy was a terrorists.
Stop politicizing.




Moreover, the automatic rifles used have been banned since 86(from what I've read).
Not restricted but banned for civilians.
Gun control has little to nothing to do with this.

There isn't the slightest evidence he had anything that wasnt bought through legal channels.

 

[DEAD7]

There isn't the slightest evidence he had anything that wasnt bought through legal channels.

If im not mistaken most of these gunman pass background checks and control measures.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

If im not mistaken most of these gunman pass background checks and control measures.

The vast majority of gun crime is committed by people who acquired the guns through technically illegal, but currently unenforceable means.

It is true that a good numbers of the mass shootings were by people who acquired a legal gun, but that is because background checks are currently too short to be adequate. You can't stop all of them, but the simple measures I proposed would stop a lot, while still allowing every law-abiding gun owner to legally purchase 12 new guns every year.

 

[Eddy Gordo]

How do we remedy this? In your opinion.

Without abolishing the second amendment?
We can't remedy this situation.

Most recent mass shooting we're done with legally purchased firearms. So it's not a question of legality or the criminal element.

Automatic weapons after 1986 are illegal. People can get around that buy buying pre 86 weapons with a class 3 or modding semi automatics like I said before.

The problem is a problem of function. Guns are meant to kill; animals, people, helicopters. You can try to regulate them down (which won't work because there's to many out in the system) but there is always a smaller caliber which can still kill.

You can't regulate them to hard because of the second amendment and NRA. Yet without the regulations mass shootings just become a staple of American Life.

We stuck.

 

[levitate]

Without abolishing the second amendment?
We can't remedy this situation.

Most recent mass shooting we're done with legally purchased firearms. So it's not a question of legality or the criminal element.

Automatic weapons after 1986 are illegal. People can get around that buy buying pre 86 weapons with a class 3 or modding semi automatics like I said before.

The problem is a problem of function. Guns are meant to kill; animals, people, helicopters. You can try to regulate them down (which won't work because there's to many out in the system) but there is always a smaller caliber which can still kill.

You can't regulate them to hard because of the second amendment and NRA. Yet without the regulations mass shootings just become a staple of American Life.

We stuck.

We're fukked.

Got it.

 

[Eddy Gordo]

The vast majority of gun crime is committed by people who acquired the guns through technically illegal, but currently unenforceable means.

It is true that a good numbers of the mass shootings were by people who acquired a legal gun, but that is because background checks are currently too short to be adequate. You can't stop all of them, but the simple measures I proposed would stop a lot, while still allowing every law-abiding gun owner to legally purchase 12 new guns every year.

I like where your head is at but I have questions. Who would make up these references? Does it have to be a specific somebody or can it be anyone? And what makes you believe a waiting period would prevent something like this?

 

[shopthatwrecks]

Without abolishing the second amendment?
We can't remedy this situation.

Most recent mass shooting we're done with legally purchased firearms. So it's not a question of legality or the criminal element.

Automatic weapons after 1986 are illegal. People can get around that buy buying pre 86 weapons with a class 3 or modding semi automatics like I said before.

The problem is a problem of function. Guns are meant to kill; animals, people, helicopters. You can try to regulate them down (which won't work because there's to many out in the system) but there is always a smaller caliber which can still kill.

You can't regulate them to hard because of the second amendment and NRA. Yet without the regulations mass shootings just become a staple of American Life.

We stuck.

Why purchase pre86 guns

By semi automatic n goto YouTube or join a gun forum and learn how to modify


You can goto cabelas right now get a mini 14 for a 112$

Goto YouTube n see how a staple can turn the gun from a 1 shot to 2..in less than 4mins

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

Register and require a background check with references and 28-day waiting period for every gun transaction. When you buy a gun from a dealer the transaction is already registered, just extend that to non-dealers too.

Allow one gun purchase per waiting period.

With those two simple laws, you would crush 90% of gun trafficking. Straw purchases and black market sales are already illegal in most circumstances, but impossible to enforce because the legal buyer at the beginning claims, "I sold it to some guy...thought he was legit." If the initial buyer is forced to background check and register his sale, then a ton of people ain't gonna be getting guns because the legal buyers won't risk their clean record to be connected to them.

People with clean records ain't risking that if everything is traced and they can only move one gun a month anyway. Risk too high, reward too small.

That's a big difference between guns and drugs. Drugs can be bought and sold by gangsters, but gun trafficking requires large numbers of people with clean records in the pipeline.

Plus, the combination of waiting period and references on the background check would reduce a lot of crimes of passion, suicides, and crazy shyt. A month is enough time for some people to chill from a bad decision (plus a month only gets you one gun) and a lot of these lone wolf dudes would be stopped if they were forced to let 2-3 people in their lives know that they were suddenly stockpiling guns.

I agree with all of the policy proposals you just mentioned and it would save many lives. Politically it's a winning argument and in this environment where many in GOP are worried about tying themselves too much to Trump and the right wing, it would have a strong chance of being passed if considered.

I'm not sure I agree re: trafficking. If the sale/purchase of the gun is illegal than it doesn't require any clean records. You just need to have someone with a foreign connect. And if there was a massive new restriction on gun ownership itself, every criminal organization would start running guns. People send illegal guns through U.S. Mail, and even within otherwise legal shipments (in cars for instance). Very difficult to manage. Too many containers, not enough people.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

How do we remedy this? In your opinion.

First admit the possibility that you can't prevent every attack. Assuming he purchased the weapons legally and didn't tell anyone of his plans, it's hard to see how you could've prevented this attack without solid evidence regarding his underlying motivation.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

 

[joeychizzle]

Cant you get straight machine guns at gun shows? Which I'd guess are held often in Vegas?

Yep biggest loophole in the system

Is avoid the dealers at booths and buy from the private sellers walking around

No need to do paperwork straight cash / card transactions

Can get pretty much anything

Then hit the booths

And sell to them and make a profit

Buy private then sel

Trade etc 99% of the time you will come back with more than you left the house with

You can buy a semi auto AK for $400 and mod it into automatic in the same afternoon. It's not hard. And while automatic weapons may be banned the accessories aren't. Getting the stand, drum magazines, and belt for something like this wouldn't be difficult.
A complete gun novice with a clean criminal record could probably pull something like this off with maybe a week or two prep time.

Not shytting on any of you but do yall know how ludicrous that all sounds to someone who doesn't live in the States

you can cop an semi auto AK for the price of a plane ticket
turn it into an auto in a few hours

hit up a gun show and cop a fukking machine gun, no records no nothing, just cash

that's fukking incredible (in a horrifying way)

America's insane proliferation of guns is terrifying :2facedacosby:
y'all got more guns than people
yall got enough bullets to kill everything
your military budget is 824.6 billion

what the fukk yall doin:cubewtfmayne:
what the fukk :thefukkyoumeanmayne_1: