Mass shooting at Mandala Bay (Vegas) 61 dead, 500 + injured, deadliest shooting in American history

[Orbital-Fetus]

gotta update that thread title.

 

[mc_brew]

What about white on white crime



"According to the US Department of Justice statistics, 84 percent of white people killed every year are killed by other whites. Between 1980 to 2008, a majority (53.3 percent) of gang-related murders were committed by white people, with a majority of the homicide victims being white as well."

white people need to examine their communities and how they raise children..... this is unacceptable, very dysfunctional.....

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

It can, and reduce the amount of fully automatic rifles easily available, which is a major factor......There's a wide margin of difference between arms traffickers smuggling in crates of rifles (which is borderline absurd anyway) mass killers buying on the black market, and walking into a Wal Mart around the corner, or a gun show. James Holmes the goofball from Aurora is not going to purchase an AR-15 from a black market arms dealer in a van in front of a Burger King. Nor is the Sandy Hook kid. They all had easy access to legally purchased automatic/semi automatic rifles. But, hundreds have to die every year, so hunters and gun freaks can feel comfortable from their rural or suburban existence, where they imagine they are knee deep in Juarez drug wars or whatever.

I saw in my local paper there were off duty SDPD there, (figures redneck country shyt) I wonder why they weren't able to disarm and kill the shooter before all these bodies piled up.

Because, an unpredictable gunman, firing from cover, and a vantage point would be fukking impossible to stop with anything but a sniper team, or a SWAT team.

Both of those situations would've been less likely to have happened if we had REAL background checks. Or some sort of other process by which hurdles are placed so that mentally unfit people can't buy guns. The gun show loophole, etc. All of these are things that could easily be done. They will lead directly to a decrease in the number of people killed by guns.

I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say something is borderline absurd.

No, no doubt it was random area firing. He wasn't aiming at targets, he was just getting out a mass of bullets as quickly as he could.


Buying a gun illegally ain't no fukking human impulse. It's not like people have a "need to buy a gun" gene or some sort of psychological addiction to illegal guns and laws against it are useless to stop them. We're not talking drugs or alcohol or some addictive substance.

I love you talking about human impulses then throwing "in the USA" there as if human impulses change the moment you cross that imaginary border.

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

I'm talking about the reasons that people buy guns (fear/personal safety/desire to kill). People who have those desires/impulses are not going to be deterred by a law, especially if as I suspect, guns would still be flooding the black market.

 

[DEAD7]

Everyone is more likely to be killed by someone of their nationality... not sure why it keeps coming up.

 

[mc_brew]

Everyone is more likely to be killed by someone of their nationality... not sure why it keeps coming up.

because white people say black people are violent... ALL RACES ARE VIOLENT.....

 

[re'up]

Both of those situations would've been less likely to have happened if we had REAL background checks. Or some sort of other process by which hurdles are placed so that mentally unfit people can't buy guns. The gun show loophole, etc. All of these are things that could easily be done. They will lead directly to a decrease in the number of people killed by guns.

I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say something is borderline absurd.



I'm talking about the reasons that people buy guns (fear/personal safety/desire to kill). People who have those desires/impulses are not going to be deterred by a law, especially if as I suspect, guns would still be flooding the black market.

Borderline absurd that if there were tighter restrictions on automatic rifles, (AR, AK, etc etc) there would be some influx of weapons being smuggled into the US for sale here, and that white collar suburban kids would be buying illegal AK's on the street for killing sprees.

 

[You Win Perfect]

He was emptying thousands of bullets from a AUTOMATIC MACHINE GUN into a HEAVILY DENSE and CROWDED area of people.

Like shooting fish in a barrel bruh

The people in this topic are so fukkin stupid and probably never shot or owned any type of firearm.
My mom can shoot a target from 400 yards away with my rifle with no "special training" just a properly zeroed scope stupid fukks it don't take a astronaut to press a trigger and spray

 

[Tommy Fits]

The brother told the AP the terrorist made millions investing in real estate

 

[Black Panther]

Everyone is more likely to be killed by someone of their nationality... not sure why it keeps coming up.

It gets brought up because black-on-black crime is a common talking point amongst pundits. Conversely, white-on-white crime doesn't really exist as a concept, though the justifications of black-on-black crime as a concept can be applied to whites or any other major ethnic group.

Signed,

--The Obvious Panther

 

[OneManGang]

There were no good guys with guns in that concert to stop him?

This is gold .

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

Borderline absurd that if there were tighter restrictions on automatic rifles, (AR, AK, etc etc) there would be some influx of weapons being smuggled into the US for sale here, and that white collar suburban kids would be buying illegal AK's on the street for killing sprees.

How is that absurd?

This is LITERALLY EXACTLY the same thing that happens with the drug trade. For many years, less than 2 oz of crack = mandatory 10 year fed sentence. That didn't stop many from getting into the dope game. If there is a market/demand for a product, that demand will be filled. You're never going to confiscate all of the rifles already in existence. You're never going to be able to prevent smuggling from Mexico/Canada/overseas. And I know it sounds silly, but I have yet to hear any explanation from a gun control advocate regarding how you're going to prevent people from simply making their own.

Spending political capital to focus on something that accounts for such a small percentage of the homicides in any given year seems silly IMO. The DOJ even admitted that the assault rifle ban didn't lead to a decrease in gun deaths.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Ogun

 

[re'up]

The point is not to stop it, it's to make it more difficult to pull off high casualty killing sprees. I am surprised you are using the "if it won't fix EVERYTHING why even try"? There are some major differences between drug trafficking and weapon trafficking that I can expand on later, but it's simply not the same, though I will concede there will certainly black market sales. I don't know the details of Australia's ban, what did they do that worked so well?

Lets go through each shootings in the NY Times list of mass killings from 2007, and ID where the killer got the weapon.

 

[Tetris v2.0]

People still fighting gun control in the US after this?! How many tragedies will it take???

 

[tmonster]

i have no idea how to solve this problem.

ask other countries who used to have this problem what they did