Mase or Jay-Z?: The Source Asking Who Had The Better Rookie Album
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Cloud McFly
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Agreed 100%
I respect everyoneās opinion, but posts like that are why I feel itās pointless to argue with most people on here. Songs like DāEvils, Can I Live, Feelinā It, and Regrets (my fav Hov song since 96) speak to me on a different level than just being another dope song.
We are seeing in real time how social media has broken people. Bc why are you replying with an answer that has nothing to do with the question
The Age of Spin-Is the sky blue or red?
-Red is an amazing color I donāt even know why youād hate like that
Yāall get into āwin the debateā mode and just say anything
āI was Murda, P Diddy made me prettyā
The aesthetic, the subject matter, the ready-made hits with 70s/80s samples, all that was Puff. He saw how they broke Big with Juicy and Big Poppaā- sampling preexisting classic melodiesā-and had hitmen do the same, sample the biggest 70s/80s tracks. You coulda put daffy duck in Maseās place and he woulda been a star
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ayooo that screen cap brings up a good point.....harlem world album cover 1000x harder than reasonable doubt...y hova hide his face tho he wasn't on the run or out on bail
I always thought Harlem World album cover was done on a $100 budget. Mase on one knee in front of a baby blue backdrop throwing up the duece and the big ass āMāon top of the word āHarlem Worldā looks so cheap to me lol
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Any world..that's how DMX blew up. Devils Regrets is something you liked after the fact...shyt bombed big time when it came out and definitely isn't more legendary than 24 hrs to live....odd hill to die on.
Yāall get into āwin the debateā mode and just say anything
āI was Murda, P Diddy made me prettyā
The aesthetic, the subject matter, the ready-made hits with 70s/80s samples, all that was Puff. He saw how they broke Big with Juicy and Big Poppaā- sampling preexisting classic melodiesā-and had hitmen do the same, sample the biggest 70s/80s tracks. You coulda put daffy duck in Maseās place and he woulda been a star
Of course Puff technically made Mase. Puff's a producer. That said, a huge part of what made Puff convincing as an artist was Mase. They even sounded similar even when Puff had other writers. "Me with no Timbaland is like Puff with no Mase"--- Missy Elliott in 1998. We saw in real time what happened when Puff tried to do the solo thing without Mase. It wasn't the same.
BIG did hypnotize...I Be Missing You blew up..but Mase was on Been Around the World..Can Nobody Hold me down..Only You..he always stood out...he waa on top before Jay Z...that Puff got hot because Biggie died and he used recycled 80s beats...Puffy has no rhyme talent. Mase can write, rap.. don't know about producing. I doubt it but no one is gonna kill him on a track..too good..Fab kind of sound like a fake Mase when he came out. Who the fukk was Cam'ron without Mase?
Of course when Jay Z got hot after Hard Knock Life and the Rush Hour soundtrack song with Amil...he kept going nonstop till to 2003 with that Black album.
I guess itās how you look at it. How can we agree Puff made Mase but then say āyea Mase made puffā.
Also I feel like the fact that Puff, unlike dame, DID āmake another hovā kills the argument.
Puff is like the other Tom Brady of heās succeeded as an artist with relative nobodies. G Dep, black rob, mark curry, dirty money, the Coming Hone track which has like a billion views, couple features his verse on that Wanka remix is classic
I guess itās how you look at it. How can we agree he made him but then say āyea made made puffā.
Also I feel like the fact he, unlike dame, DID āmake another hovā kills the argument.
Puff is like Tom Brady of heās succeeded as an artist with relative nobodies. G Dep, black rob, mark curry, dirty money, the Coming Hone track which has like a billion views, couple features his verse on that Wanka remix is classic
There hasn't been another Mase though. None of those artists were what Mase was. Puff made Saga Continues and like No Way Out, it was more so a group effort. It lacked the synergy that Puff had with Mase and Biggie. Saga Continues flopped even though there were hit records on the album.
Yes, it looks contradictory to say Puff made Mase then turn around say Mase made Puff. The explanation for that is that Puff was never an artist. He was a producer. He NEEDED artists like Mase and Biggie to sell himself as an artist. As a producer, Puff made artists, but he was never able to sell himself as an artist without help.
Cloud McFly
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ayooo that screen cap brings up a good point.....harlem world album cover 1000x harder than reasonable doubt...y hova hide his face tho he wasn't on the run or out on bail
true....plus one was 30 and the other was another teenager
The lies we tell ourselves
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that doesn't mean it was better. Everyone slept on RD. I still have the ORIGINAL copy with the gun art and 2 dots above the Y. A year later, it was taken off the shelves. Jay blew up in 1998 and everyone then wanted a copy of RD and coulnd't get it until the 1998 reissue. The source dissed it in their summer of 96 issue with Nas on the cover(IT WAS WRITTEN also got only 4 mics in the same issue). People really didn't appreciate it at the time. Mase came in during a time that Big as died, Puffy was already a star and he had the red carpet laid out for him. No one outside of the purists knew Jay Z. I was in the army in 1997 and I knew dudes from the south that had never heard of Jay Z. They would introduce me to albums from Cash Money artists like BG, UNLV, and shyt I had never heard of and I'd introduce them to artists like Jay Z and Organize Konfusion. 27 years later, we all know what is the better album. And this is not a diss to Mas cuz that was an amazing album too. At the same time, Illmatic wasn't being bumped heavily from the mainstream in 1994 as well. Warren G's debut that year outsold it by at least 6x more. Are we also saying Regulate the G Funk Era(an amazing album) is better than Illmatic too?