MARVEL's The Falcon and The Winter Soldier Official Thread

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You don’t think Sam will take the mantle? I’m about 80/20 that he does which means he will no longer be Falcon. It could be the more nuanced take for him to turn it down but I don't think they have the balls.



A bit predictable? Maybe.

But everyone he’s making amends with is being told at the end of his little speech that he is no longer the Winter Soldier.

Unless he’s just gonna be Sam’s sidekick he’s going to need an arc of his own beyond this show and I don’t think it’ll be as plain James or even "Bucky". Also his pardon is conditional, some conditions that he's shown breaking as we're being told what they are lol, so anything he and Sam get into could cost him his freedom.

Being that Wakanda will soon be a point of focus again, he has a place where he not only knows the only peace he's had in a century but also an identity not tied to his past mistakes.
true plus they could give him a cool wolf outfit with retractable claws
 

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My guess is he doesn't become Cap. They are definitely doing Youg Avengers in the MCU with America being in DS 2, Kate Bishop in Hawkeye, recasting Antman's daughter to a bigger actress, etc. Isaiah Bradley a Black guy the US government secretly experimented on trying to develop a new super soldier serum is going to be on this show. So I think Sam is going to learn the secret history involving him, he's going to have a military trained, physically gifted grandson and he will get the shield. That's my guess how this plays out. But all of this is just my conjecture based on the cast and where the MCU is going. Would that make you quit the MCU?

They're def doing Young Avengers and Patriot/Elijah will likely get the shield but it doesn't negate Sam becoming the new Captain America. He can block with his wings so he doesn't exactly need to have it.

In fact, I'd be willing to bet Isaiah is the biggest reason why he decides to take eventually take the mantle, not to mention:
Torres will likely take the mantle of the Faclon for said Young Avengers


I think Sam does become Cap. They haven't introduced any other alternatives. Whether or not he has a long run as cap is another story though.
He might hang up the shield again by the end of the series

Nah I think he stays Cap regardless and they won't just make a simple hand me down thing that would draw criticism from the shea butter crowd lol. It will actually be shown that the legacy of the shield, like the legacy of this country as a whole have black people at the foundation of it. That takes it from being a burden of filling Steve's shoes to honoring Elijah and all the black soldiers that sacrificed. They gonna guilt trip this nikka to bolivia and it's gonna work.
 
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They're def doing Young Avengers and Patriot/Elijah will likely get the shield but it doesn't negate Sam becoming the new Captain America. He can block with his wings so he doesn't exactly need to have it.

In fact, I'd be willing to bet Isaiah is the biggest reason why he decides to take eventually take the mantle, not to mention:



Nah I think he stays Cap regardless and they won't just make a simple hand me down thing that would draw criticism from the shea butter crowd lol. It will actually be shown that the legacy of the shield, like the legacy of this country as a whole have black people at the foundation of it. That takes it from being a burden of filling Steve's shoes to honoring Elijah and all the black soldiers that sacrificed. They gonna guilt trip this nikka to bolivia and it's gonna work.

But wouldn't you think they'd put it in a movie, if he was assuming the mantle? At this point, that's still a huge role...especially with them losing Iron Man.
 
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You don’t think Sam will take the mantle? I’m about 80/20 that he does which means he will no longer be Falcon. It could be the more nuanced take for him to turn it down but I don't think they have the balls.



A bit predictable? Maybe.

But everyone he’s making amends with is being told at the end of his little speech that he is no longer the Winter Soldier.

Unless he’s just gonna be Sam’s sidekick he’s going to need an arc of his own beyond this show and I don’t think it’ll be as plain James or even "Bucky". Also his pardon is conditional, some conditions that he's shown breaking as we're being told what they are lol, so anything he and Sam get into could cost him his freedom.

Being that Wakanda will soon be a point of focus again, he has a place where he not only knows the only peace he's had in a century but also an identity not tied to his past mistakes.


Wakanda will stay black. There will be no true “White Wolf” I guarantee it
 

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Wakanda will stay black. There will be no true “White Wolf” I guarantee it

The children of Wakanda already know him as White Wolf in the MCU though, Wakanda wasn't any less black with him there.

A true White Wolf no as it would be offensive. But an MCU version is possible. They fukked with him enough to give him refuge, tech and helped piece together what was left of his sanity and he put his life on the line to protect them. Them adopting him as a foreign son of Wakanda like Hunter makes sense, how/why he goes back there is where you gotta kinda thread the needle.

Dude is a soldier, ain't enough mindfulness meditation to keep him from putting swords to purpose lol, but it needs to be in a healthy manner. I can see him fighting under Okoye's leadership easier than I could under the US. Government.
 
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But wouldn't you think they'd put it in a movie, if he was assuming the mantle? At this point, that's still a huge role...especially with them losing Iron Man.

They wouldn't have to really. For one, they've said their focus is gonna be on streaming with big films in between. So I don't think you gotta sand bag a ton of important events to save for the movies, you want this to be legit.

If/when we do get another Captain America film, having how Sam became Cap out of the way gives you time to get into a possible Civil war 2 scenario with much higher stakes.
 

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If Sam becomes the new Cap, will he end of taking the super PED's?


If not, then what's the point :manny:
I think so
I think these series are going to give the characters new power ups and status quo's
My theories
Sam gets a new title and power up like Wanda
Bucky gets a new purpose and meaning like Vision
 

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If Sam becomes the new Cap, will he end of taking the super PED's?


If not, then what's the point :manny:

IMO, that's why Zemo comes into play.

This nikka is basically Billy Butcher with a little more class lol, Buck wants to kill him for what he did to T'chaka, believe that. But by the time he and Sam hook up, they're gonna be looking into the flag smashers and probably using him for intel. And he'll be eager to help because he wants to stop more super powered individuals from being created, he might even become somewhat of anti-hero in this show.
 

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Lotta so called “n******” in here quick to throw away common sense and say Sam ain’t gonna be cap:patrice:

You keep calling yourself that ... :hubie:

It’s already been spelled out. Steve Rogers literally KNIGHTED this man in the finale of the one of the biggest movies of ALL TIME. They HAVE to have pay off but they’ve also got to show how Sam is going to accept and carry the mantle (Shield) on his own terms.

Did you miss "Quicksilver", "is she a mutant?", "It's all Wanda", "she stole his body", "stark blowing up his suits", "mandarin" and all the other countless hot-button resolutions / payoffs / u-turns?

If they go back on the already established premise of Sam becoming Captain America after such straight forward foreshadowing i’ll legit quit the MCU

If side-man Falcon became leader the other Avengers would legit quit the team :mjlol:
 

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You keep calling yourself that ... :hubie:



Did you miss "Quicksilver", "is she a mutant?", "It's all Wanda", "she stole his body", "stark blowing up his suits", "mandarin" and all the other countless hot-button resolutions / payoffs / u-turns?



If side-man Falcon became leader the other Avengers would legit quit the team :mjlol:
Currently, there is no Avengers team.
 

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Currently, there is no Avengers team.

the "avengers" were never just a "team". even when the were not together they were still the avengers and we still followed their stories between CW and IW.

and all those endgame auxiliary avengers still fell into place behind "avenger's-assemble" order-giving Cap. captain marvel and the remaining guardians reporting in from space. okoye from wakanda.

when Cap-team went "home" rhodey was there still working.

in your opinion when did this group of people formally quit working together?
 

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the "avengers" were never just a "team". even when the were not together they were still the avengers and we still followed their stories between CW and IW.

and all those endgame auxiliary avengers still fell into place behind "avenger's-assemble" order-giving Cap. captain marvel and the remaining guardians reporting in from space. okoye from wakanda.

when Cap-team went "home" rhodey was there still working.

in your opinion when did this group of people formally quit working together?
After Civil War. Tony says in the beginning of IW the Avengers broke up.
They are no longer a formal organization. Individual heroes use Avengers headquarters but there is no team.
 

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After Civil War. Tony says in the beginning of IW the Avengers broke up.
They are no longer a formal organization. Individual heroes use Avengers headquarters but there is no team.

Cap was still in charge "formal team" or not. I seem to remember him barking orders and assuming leadership all through IW and EG. Oddly enough the organic-non-formal Avengers followed Cap's lead.

Plus some "super-powered individuals" signed the Sokovian Accords so aren't they still obligated to turn up when requested?

Rhodey being the chief example as he was there talking to Ross when Cap's team turned up.
 

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Cap was still in charge "formal team" or not. I seem to remember him barking orders and assuming leadership all through IW and EG. Oddly enough the organic-non-formal Avengers followed Cap's lead.

Plus some "super-powered individuals" signed the Sokovian Accords so aren't they still obligated to turn up when requested?

Rhodey being the chief example as he was there talking to Ross when Cap's team turned up.
I don't know it never happened on camera at least.
I guess the fugitive group was a team of Avengers but we don't know much a out what on with them between CW and IW.
 
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